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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #30 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:04pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 6:53pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:

Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression. This is often a reasonable assumption if you cannot be bothered looking at a problem any further than that, but it does rely on an assumption you are probably not aware of - that both parties act rationally. No sane, rational group would repeatedly start a war against a far more powerful foe, when they lose every time and end up demonstrably worse off every time. But the people of Gaza are not motivated by self interest and they are not sane and rational. They are motivated by Islam to slaughter Jews. When given a choice at the polls between peace and prosperity and a future for their children vs slaughtering Jews, they chose slaughtering Jews. They are not the perpetual victim. They are the perpetual aggressor. They have been trying to slaughter Jews for generations. The onus is entirely on them to stop the war. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons (and returned the hostages) there would be peace. If the Israelis did, there would be an actual genocide.

How strong would they be without the US $4 billion-plus a year in handouts from hardworking US taxpayers? What do US taxpayers get for their investment in a foreign rogue settler colony that engages in genocide against defenseless indigenous people ? Sounds like a bad deal to me Sad

The US gets a better world. You do realise that plenty of Islamic terrorists see the US as the number 2 enemy, right after Israel?

But you are missing the point again. That aid does not mean that Israel is the aggressor, or that they are committing genocide. You are letting your emotional hysteria blind you to the facts. No matter how many times you repeat genocide, "defenseless indigenous people" or any other catchphrase, it does not make it true. These are not aborigines sitting around a fire doing a ceremony. They are Islamic militants literally plotting to slaughter Jews. Then carrying out those plots. As soon as Hamas wants peace, they can have it. Hamas is the only organisation standing between the people of Gaza and a future for their children. Even Muslim governments are now acknowledging this.

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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #31 - Oct 4^th, 2025 at 11:17am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 8:53pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:56pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:14am:

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1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours.

All he needs is a magic wand.

Yes, it's hard not to make Palestinians feel angry or vengeful about being born into a concentration camp, bullied, harassed, imprisoned, deprived, or watching one of their family members being murdered by an apartheid genocidal regime. Yes, definitely will need a magic wand for that Sad

I hold great respect for you as an individual with morals - but in this case you have spent far too long too deeply immersed in the 'narrative' instead of listening to the urgings of your own mind.

Heed not the propagandists...

So you call this "propaganda" do you ? This is why they don't let journalists in or murder the ones that are already there. Who does this kind of sh.t ? Sad

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This is what Israel has done to Gaza City in the past 24 hours

Israel has systematically bombed homes, residential towers, hospitals, and shelters in Gaza City, killing dozens of Palestinians and forcibly displacing thousands of others. This is what Israel has done in the past 24 hours alone.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-i3LPavtxO4

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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #32 - Oct 4^th, 2025 at 11:25am

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 6:57pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 6:47pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 5:39pm:

The two state 'solution' is a scam.
The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.

You must be a PALESTINIAN you post that much of their propaganda.

And you must be a psychopath Wink

No I'm not like you or Palestinians.

This why the terrorist Palestinians/Hamas won't release the hostages.

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Quran: 47.4 So when you meet the disbelievers ˹in battle˺, strike ˹their˺ necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later ˹free them either as˺ an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end. So will it be. Had Allah willed, He ˹Himself˺ could have inflicted punishment on them. But He does ˹this only to˺ test some of you by means of others. And those who are martyred in the cause of Allah,1 He will never render their deeds void.

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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #33 - Oct 4^th, 2025 at 11:29am

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 6:53pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:

Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression. This is often a reasonable assumption if you cannot be bothered looking at a problem any further than that, but it does rely on an assumption you are probably not aware of - that both parties act rationally. No sane, rational group would repeatedly start a war against a far more powerful foe, when they lose every time and end up demonstrably worse off every time. But the people of Gaza are not motivated by self interest and they are not sane and rational. They are motivated by Islam to slaughter Jews. When given a choice at the polls between peace and prosperity and a future for their children vs slaughtering Jews, they chose slaughtering Jews. They are not the perpetual victim. They are the perpetual aggressor. They have been trying to slaughter Jews for generations. The onus is entirely on them to stop the war. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons (and returned the hostages) there would be peace. If the Israelis did, there would be an actual genocide.

How strong would they be without the US $4 billion-plus a year in handouts from hardworking US taxpayers? What do US taxpayers get for their investment in a foreign rogue settler colony that engages in genocide against defenseless indigenous people ? Sounds like a bad deal to me Sad

The US gets a better world. You do realise that plenty of Islamic terrorists see the US as the number 2 enemy, right after Israel?

But you are missing the point again. That aid does not mean that Israel is the aggressor, or that they are committing genocide. You are letting your emotional hysteria blind you to the facts. No matter how many times you repeat genocide, "defenseless indigenous people" or any other catchphrase, it does not make it true. These are not aborigines sitting around a fire doing a ceremony. They are Islamic militants literally plotting to slaughter Jews. Then carrying out those plots. As soon as Hamas wants peace, they can have it. Hamas is the only organisation standing between the people of Gaza and a future for their children. Even Muslim governments are now acknowledging this.

Yeh whatever you say bro Wink

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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #34 - Oct 4^th, 2025 at 11:40am

Gnads wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 11:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 6:57pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 6:47pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 5:39pm:

The two state 'solution' is a scam.
The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.

You must be a PALESTINIAN you post that much of their propaganda.

And you must be a psychopath Wink

No I'm not like you or Palestinians.

This why the terrorist Palestinians/Hamas won't release the hostages.

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Quran: 47.4 So when you meet the disbelievers ˹in battle˺, strike ˹their˺ necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later ˹free them either as˺ an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end. So will it be. Had Allah willed, He ˹Himself˺ could have inflicted punishment on them. But He does ˹this only to˺ test some of you by means of others. And those who are martyred in the cause of Allah,1 He will never render their deeds void.

So you follow the old testament then ??

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Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

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MattE Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 388 Gender:	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #35 - Oct 4^th, 2025 at 12:01pm Donald Trump definitely deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 147673 Gender:	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #36 - Oct 4^th, 2025 at 12:06pm MattE wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 12:01pm: Donald Trump definitely deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Piece prize. For being a worthless POS.
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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #37 - Oct 4^th, 2025 at 12:56pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 11:29am:

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 6:53pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:

Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression. This is often a reasonable assumption if you cannot be bothered looking at a problem any further than that, but it does rely on an assumption you are probably not aware of - that both parties act rationally. No sane, rational group would repeatedly start a war against a far more powerful foe, when they lose every time and end up demonstrably worse off every time. But the people of Gaza are not motivated by self interest and they are not sane and rational. They are motivated by Islam to slaughter Jews. When given a choice at the polls between peace and prosperity and a future for their children vs slaughtering Jews, they chose slaughtering Jews. They are not the perpetual victim. They are the perpetual aggressor. They have been trying to slaughter Jews for generations. The onus is entirely on them to stop the war. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons (and returned the hostages) there would be peace. If the Israelis did, there would be an actual genocide.

How strong would they be without the US $4 billion-plus a year in handouts from hardworking US taxpayers? What do US taxpayers get for their investment in a foreign rogue settler colony that engages in genocide against defenseless indigenous people ? Sounds like a bad deal to me Sad

The US gets a better world. You do realise that plenty of Islamic terrorists see the US as the number 2 enemy, right after Israel?

But you are missing the point again. That aid does not mean that Israel is the aggressor, or that they are committing genocide. You are letting your emotional hysteria blind you to the facts. No matter how many times you repeat genocide, "defenseless indigenous people" or any other catchphrase, it does not make it true. These are not aborigines sitting around a fire doing a ceremony. They are Islamic militants literally plotting to slaughter Jews. Then carrying out those plots. As soon as Hamas wants peace, they can have it. Hamas is the only organisation standing between the people of Gaza and a future for their children. Even Muslim governments are now acknowledging this.

Yeh whatever you say bro Wink

Can you not understand that you are equating Hamas' 'loser' status with 'victim' status? Can you tell the difference?

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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #38 - Oct 4^th, 2025 at 8:29pm

MattE wrote on Oct 4^th, 2025 at 12:01pm:

Donald Trump definitely deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

Sat 4 Oct 2025 20.22 AEST:

"Israel-Gaza live: airstrikes reported in Gaza despite Trump’s call for Israel to stop bombing ‘immediately’"

Netanyahu treats Trump the same way the rest of the world does - as a complete and utter joke.

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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3915 Gender:	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #39 - Oct 4^th, 2025 at 8:48pm Yes I think that Trump will get the Nobel Peace Prize for his statesmanship and influence.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 147673 Gender:	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #40 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:03am So, Trump (the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon) tells Netanyahu to stop bombing and what does he do? He keeps bombing and kills some more children. Putin and Netanyahu are totally ignoring Trump.
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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #41 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:30am

Shehbaz Sharif
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I welcome President Trump’s 20-point plan to ensure an end to the war in Gaza.

I am also convinced that durable peace between the Palestinian people and Israel would be essential in bringing political stability and economic growth to the region.

It is also my firm belief that President Trump is fully prepared to assist in whatever way necessary to make this extremely important and urgent understanding to become a reality.

I laud President Trump’s leadership and the vital role played by Special Envoy Steve Witkoff in bringing an end to this war.

I also strongly believe that the implementation of the two state proposal is essential to ensure lasting peace in the region.
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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #42 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:33am

Leaders in Middle East and Europe welcome Trump's Gaza peace plan

5 days ago
Rushdi AbualoufGaza correspondent and
George Wright
Watch: Trump and Netanyahu outline peace plan to end war in Gaza

European and Middle Eastern leaders have welcomed a US peace plan for Gaza, as President Donald Trump warned Hamas to accept it.

The plan, agreed by Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, proposes an immediate end to fighting, the release within 72 hours of 20 living Israeli hostages held by Hamas as well as the remains of the more than two dozen hostages who are believed to be dead - in exchange for hundreds of detained Gazans.

Hamas officials have been given the 20-point plan, a Palestinian source told the BBC.

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Reply #43 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 4:54pm

I was watching Al Jazeera yesterday and saw a report where the journalist was literally walking through what one could only assume to be a market.

Al Jazeera finally uploaded the video:

He is literally walking through a market where food is being SOLD. Food which western taxpayers paid for. So much for the famine!

It is not lost on people making comment on the video:

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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #44 - Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:36pm

Leroy wrote on Oct 5^th, 2025 at 9:30am:

Shehbaz Sharif
@CMShehbaz
I welcome President Trump’s 20-point plan to ensure an end to the war in Gaza.

I am also convinced that durable peace between the Palestinian people and Israel would be essential in bringing political stability and economic growth to the region.

It is also my firm belief that President Trump is fully prepared to assist in whatever way necessary to make this extremely important and urgent understanding to become a reality.

I laud President Trump’s leadership and the vital role played by Special Envoy Steve Witkoff in bringing an end to this war.

I also strongly believe that the implementation of the two state proposal is essential to ensure lasting peace in the region.
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