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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #15 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 12:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 9:14am:
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1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours.


All he needs is a magic wand.


Yes, it's hard not to make Palestinians feel angry or vengeful about being born into a concentration camp, bullied, harassed, imprisoned, deprived, or watching one of their family members being murdered by an apartheid genocidal regime. Yes, definitely will need a magic wand for that Sad
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Reply #16 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:26pm
 
As long as they are stuck in intergenerational rage and victimhood, they will have to be closely controlled.

If they want to break out of their own personal hell. The Palestinians will need to drop the victimhood, smile, raise joyful creative children , contribute more then throwing bricks at tanks.

This won't happen whilst the left pander to them

They will need a stern, firm but fair, father figure to guide them

I think the plan is pretty awesome 💯💯
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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #17 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:34pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:26pm:
As long as they are stuck in intergenerational rage and victimhood, they will have to be closely controlled.

If they want to break out of their own personal hell. The Palestinians will need to drop the victimhood, smile, raise joyful creative children , contribute more then throwing bricks at tanks.

This won't happen whilst the left pander to them

They will need a stern, firm but fair, father figure to guide them

I think the plan is pretty awesome 💯💯

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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #18 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm
 
Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression. This is often a reasonable assumption if you cannot be bothered looking at a problem any further than that, but it does rely on an assumption you are probably not aware of - that both parties act rationally. No sane, rational group would repeatedly start a war against a far more powerful foe, when they lose every time and end up demonstrably worse off every time. But the people of Gaza are not motivated by self interest and they are not sane and rational. They are motivated by Islam to slaughter Jews. When given a choice at the polls between peace and prosperity and a future for their children vs slaughtering Jews, they chose slaughtering Jews. They are not the perpetual victim. They are the perpetual aggressor. They have been trying to slaughter Jews for generations. The onus is entirely on them to stop the war. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons (and returned the hostages) there would be peace. If the Israelis did, there would be an actual genocide.
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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #19 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:
Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression



no, it's the number of dead civilians, not just during this war but in the decades prior, that did it for me.
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Reply #20 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:57pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:47pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:39pm:
The two state 'solution' is a scam.
The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.




You must be a PALESTINIAN you post that much of their propaganda.
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Reply #21 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:59pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:45pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:
Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression



no, it's the number of dead civilians, not just during this war but in the decades prior, that did it for me.


Any old bullshyte would do it for you.

They've killed more of their own than the Israelis have.
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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #22 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 2:04pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:45pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:
Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression



no, it's the number of dead civilians, not just during this war but in the decades prior, that did it for me.


So it's not your complete ignorance of war that made up your mind. You just didn't know that civilians die in war?

The people of Gaza are like a junkie that is addicted to war. You can offer them all the help in the world to get over their addiction, but until they make the decision themselves it will not make any difference. You are just another hapless do-gooder making the same mistake that has been made 1000 times before, but expecting a different outcome because you simply cannot conceive of someone else making a different choice to you.
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Reply #23 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 4:28pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 7:15pm:
I was wondering why Trump lied and said that he ended seven wars, and also lied about being able to stop the Ukrainian war in 24 hours.

I'm wondering why the so-called "President of peace" has intensified existing wars and started new ones.



Yes yes yes but you have to be reasonable, after all he won the civil war when our army took all the airports.
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Reply #24 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 6:25pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 9:50am:
I call it a scam, especially when you have a gun at your head to accept it or else !!





Hamas would have to reconsider the Jihad thing if they want peace.

Have you read the Hamas covenant?
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp


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Article One:
The Islamic Resistance Movement: The Movement's programme is Islam. From it, it draws its ideas, ways of thinking and understanding of the universe, life and man. It resorts to it for judgement in all its conduct, and it is inspired by it for guidance of its steps.

Article Six:
The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.

Article Eight:
Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.




Why are leftists upset when their loftiest wish is death for the sake of Allah while doing Jihad?

Would it be awkward meeting your relatives in the Islamic afterlife while having an eternal boner?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #26 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 6:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:42pm:
Your problem is that you unthinkingly equate Israel's strength, and Israel's military victories with aggression. This is often a reasonable assumption if you cannot be bothered looking at a problem any further than that, but it does rely on an assumption you are probably not aware of - that both parties act rationally. No sane, rational group would repeatedly start a war against a far more powerful foe, when they lose every time and end up demonstrably worse off every time. But the people of Gaza are not motivated by self interest and they are not sane and rational. They are motivated by Islam to slaughter Jews. When given a choice at the polls between peace and prosperity and a future for their children vs slaughtering Jews, they chose slaughtering Jews. They are not the perpetual victim. They are the perpetual aggressor. They have been trying to slaughter Jews for generations. The onus is entirely on them to stop the war. If the Palestinians laid down their weapons (and returned the hostages) there would be peace. If the Israelis did, there would be an actual genocide.


How strong would they be without the US $4 billion-plus a year in handouts from hardworking US taxpayers? What do US taxpayers get for their investment in a foreign rogue settler colony that engages in genocide against defenseless indigenous people ? Sounds like a bad deal to me Sad
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Reply #27 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 6:57pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 6:47pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2025 at 5:39pm:
The two state 'solution' is a scam.
The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.




You must be a PALESTINIAN you post that much of their propaganda.


And you must be a psychopath Wink


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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #28 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 8:53pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 12:56pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 9:14am:
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1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours.


All he needs is a magic wand.


Yes, it's hard not to make Palestinians feel angry or vengeful about being born into a concentration camp, bullied, harassed, imprisoned, deprived, or watching one of their family members being murdered by an apartheid genocidal regime. Yes, definitely will need a magic wand for that Sad


I hold great respect for you as an individual with morals - but in this case you have spent far too long too deeply immersed in the 'narrative' instead of listening to the urgings of your own mind.

Heed not the propagandists...
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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #29 - Oct 2nd, 2025 at 9:01pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 2nd, 2025 at 1:26pm:
As long as they are stuck in intergenerational rage and victimhood, they will have to be closely controlled.

If they want to break out of their own personal hell. The Palestinians will need to drop the victimhood, smile, raise joyful creative children , contribute more then throwing bricks at tanks.

This won't happen whilst the left pander to them

They will need a stern, firm but fair, father figure to guide them

I think the plan is pretty awesome 💯💯


As a plan it is awesome - on the ground is another matter. 

To my humble interpretation - in my humble opinion - this is Trump offering the olive branch for the last time....  he started off sounding like he was opposing Benni (and Zellie in Ukraine) and selling them out...... the Black Robes didn't bite on that deal..... so he is offering a New Deal - make peace and all these benefits will flow to you and yours......  WHEN they don't bite on that ... the gloves are off, burned and buried deep.... you've got 72 hours...

So Hamas don't take the bait.... so they all die.  Simple as that.  They must surely never rise again .... and the flow-on effect - the 'trickle-down' - is that EVERY hostile nation in the Middle East gets the message....... and watch that space for a sudden discovery that peaceful ways gain you more than playing the game of death cult.

And all that without wasting a single American Troop ... Trump could be on the verge of the greatest coup in history - making peace in the Middle East.
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