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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30772 Gender:	Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Oct 1^st, 2025 at 9:50am I call it a scam, especially when you have a gun at your head to accept it or else !!
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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #1 - Oct 1^st, 2025 at 12:32pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 9:50am:

I call it a scam, especially when you have a gun at your head to accept it or else !!

That's what war is. Hamas started it - now they will have peace imposed on them since they will not accept it.

.... you weep for Hamas and you criticise the troops forced to fight it.... the only reason you can even do that is because you don't know what I know .... Hamas' death, though totally unlamentable on the world stage - SAVES LIVES ....we are in the business of SAVING LIVES .... we use words like peace, forbearance, honour, integrity and respect for human values to uphold something we spend a lifetime defending .. YOU use them as throwaway lines at cocktail parties..... but deep down inside where you don't want to look - you want Israel on that wall - you NEED Israel on that wall... I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with someone who sleeps under the very protection Israel provides to the world while criticising it for doing so..... I'd rather you just said 'Thank You' - and went on about your business.... either way - I don't give a damn what you think progressives are entitled to .....

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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #2 - Oct 1^st, 2025 at 5:23pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 12:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 9:50am:

I call it a scam, especially when you have a gun at your head to accept it or else !!

That's what war is. Hamas started it - now they will have peace imposed on them since they will not accept it.

.... you weep for Hamas and you criticise the troops forced to fight it.... the only reason you can even do that is because you don't know what I know .... Hamas' death, though totally unlamentable on the world stage - SAVES LIVES ....we are in the business of SAVING LIVES .... we use words like peace, forbearance, honour, integrity and respect for human values to uphold something we spend a lifetime defending .. YOU use them as throwaway lines at cocktail parties..... but deep down inside where you don't want to look - you want Israel on that wall - you NEED Israel on that wall... I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with someone who sleeps under the very protection Israel provides to the world while criticising it for doing so..... I'd rather you just said 'Thank You' - and went on about your business.... either way - I don't give a damn what you think progressives are entitled to .....

You think so ??

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 54356 Gender:	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #3 - Oct 1^st, 2025 at 5:39pm The two state 'solution' is a scam. The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30772 Gender:	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #4 - Oct 1^st, 2025 at 6:47pm Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 5:39pm: The two state 'solution' is a scam. The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 147673 Gender:	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #5 - Oct 1^st, 2025 at 6:49pm So, is Trump stopping the war in 24 hours? Lol
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Reply #6 - Oct 1^st, 2025 at 6:56pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 6:47pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 5:39pm:

The two state 'solution' is a scam.
The Muslims will never accept Israel's existence. It is contrary to Islamic docttine. They could have had the two states in 1948. Their only solution has been relentlessly war ever since.

Claudia Webbe, eh?
Who she?

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17195 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #7 - Oct 1^st, 2025 at 7:11pm Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2025 at 6:56pm: Claudia Webbe, eh? Who she? I was wondering too.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 147673 Gender:	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #8 - Oct 1^st, 2025 at 7:15pm I was wondering why Trump lied and said that he ended seven wars, and also lied about being able to stop the Ukrainian war in 24 hours. I'm wondering why the so-called "President of peace" has intensified existing wars and started new ones.
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Reply #9 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:11am

(cont) (some of you are):-

15) The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilisation Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt, who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas, along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalise Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.

16) Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarisation that will be agreed upon between the IDF, the ISF, the guarantors, and the United States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement it will make with the transitional authority until it is withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.

17) In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.

18) An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful coexistence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasising the benefits that can be derived from peace.

19) While Gaza redevelopment advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

20) The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous coexistence.

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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #10 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:16am

Here is the Good Oil:-

1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours.

2) Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.

3) If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed-upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.

4) Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.

5) Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life-sentence prisoners plus 1,700 Gazans who were detained after October 7 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.

6) Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful coexistence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

7) Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the January 19, 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure (water, electricity, sewage), rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads.

8) Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under the January 19, 2025 agreement.

9) Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the “Board of Peace”, which will be headed and chaired by [US] president Donald J Trump, with other members and heads of state to be announced, including former prime minister Tony Blair.

This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump’s peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.

10) A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energise Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesise the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.

11) A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.

12) No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.

13) Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarisation of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buyback and reintegration programme all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with its neighbours.

14) A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas and the factions comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbours or its people.

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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #11 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:31am

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17) In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.

18) An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful coexistence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasising the benefits that can be derived from peace.

19) While Gaza redevelopment advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

20) The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous coexistence.

Another case of "hope triumphs over experience".

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51729 At my desk.	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #12 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:14am Quote: 1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours. All he needs is a magic wand.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 147673 Gender:	Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ? Reply #13 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:58am freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 9:14am: Quote: 1) Gaza will be a deradicalised, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours. All he needs is a magic wand. And two weeks.
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Re: Trumps 20 point Gaza plan or scam ?
Reply #14 - Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 11:01am

Frank wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2025 at 12:31am:

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17) In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.

18) An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful coexistence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasising the benefits that can be derived from peace.

19) While Gaza redevelopment advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

20) The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous coexistence.

Another case of "hope triumphs over experience".

Sounds an awful lot like Vietnam/Vietnamisation and Afghanistan to me... remember Iraq and the police training academy there? remember what happened to the Afghan national police?

Turn your back on them for five minutes and you are actually encouraging massacres of the very people you think you are relying on to bring order. It Will Never Happen!

All it will do is give a chance for America to either escalate this war, or pull a cowardly retreat from aid to Israel - and Trump ain't gonna do the latter......

There is only one solution... the extermination of Hamas and all radical Islamists. Marchons, mes enfants!! Gird up your loins....

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