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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #361 - Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:02pm

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 4:50pm:

No, they just made them pay extra tax, kept them in ghettos, made them wear distinguishing clothing, do their translations, accounting, doctoring and general brain work.

As opposed to bashing them, robbing them, expelling them, or putting a sword through the heart or a bullet through the head.

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Reply #362 - Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:14pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:02pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 4:50pm:

No, they just made them pay extra tax, kept them in ghettos, made them wear distinguishing clothing, do their translations, accounting, doctoring and general brain work.

As opposed to bashing them, robbing them, expelling them, or putting a sword through the heart or a bullet through the head.

Well, this is what I mean by your absurd self-conceit and just base, predictable blustering stupidity masking your ignorance:

A timeline of muslim pogroms, murders and prsecution of Jews.
https://sephardicu.com/sephardic-history/history-of-muslim-jewish-conflicts/

See also
https://www.newenglishreview.org/authors/andrew-g-bostom/

Even wiki has a couple of articles on Islamic antisemitism, that might be more your league, wiki.

And all this little spat is because I referred to Frederick the Great as an enlightenment ruler. That sent you of on a gammon faced splutter about one of your bees in your bonnet.
Meisted Blister is more like it.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #363 - Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:45pm

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:14pm:

Well, this is what I mean by your absurd self-conceit and just base, predictable blustering stupidity masking your ignorance:

A timeline of muslim pogroms, murders and prsecution of Jews.
https://sephardicu.com/sephardic-history/history-of-muslim-jewish-conflicts/

See also
https://www.newenglishreview.org/authors/andrew-g-bostom/

Even wiki has a couple of articles on Islamic antisemitism, that might be more your league, wiki.

And all this little spat is because I referred to Frederick the Great as an enlightenment ruler. That sent you of on a gammon faced splutter about one of your bees in your bonnet.
Meisted Blister is more like it.

Aww, Agatha Frank (they/them) read your drivel... page after page of it.. twitter your goto for 'information'... twitterc~ntery... pulled out of your arse like chicken on a stick... posing on forums as a woman,... obsessed with Queensland farmers... and Brian...

Elie Wiesel named a European pogrom/persecution event for every calendar day of the year... And that would be only the historically documented ones.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #364 - Nov 15^th, 2025 at 6:49pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:14pm:

Well, this is what I mean by your absurd self-conceit and just base, predictable blustering stupidity masking your ignorance:

A timeline of muslim pogroms, murders and prsecution of Jews.
https://sephardicu.com/sephardic-history/history-of-muslim-jewish-conflicts/

See also
https://www.newenglishreview.org/authors/andrew-g-bostom/

Even wiki has a couple of articles on Islamic antisemitism, that might be more your league, wiki.

And all this little spat is because I referred to Frederick the Great as an enlightenment ruler. That sent you of on a gammon faced splutter about one of your bees in your bonnet.
Meisted Blister is more like it.

Aww, Agatha Frank (they/them) read your drivel... page after page of it.. twitter your goto for 'information'... twitterc~ntery... pulled out of your arse like chicken on a stick... posing on forums as a woman,... obsessed with Queensland farmers... and Brian...

Elie Wiesel named a European pogrom/persecution event for every calendar day of the year... And that would be only the historically documented ones.

You are squirming awfully uncomfortably with your balls nailed to the floor, Mister Blister. Unseemly.

Karnal will come a-sniffin' any minute.

You orright, luv?

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #365 - Nov 15^th, 2025 at 7:24pm

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:14pm:

Well, this is what I mean by your absurd self-conceit and just base, predictable blustering stupidity masking your ignorance:

A timeline of muslim pogroms, murders and prsecution of Jews.
https://sephardicu.com/sephardic-history/history-of-muslim-jewish-conflicts/

Your link turned out to be useless... not from X, so you didn't check it, of course.

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"3. Pattern summary

Put simply, if you took a long list of every major Jewish persecution before the modern era, about ninety percent occurred in Christian Europe and about ten percent (or less) occurred in the Muslim world.

This gives the rough but historically grounded ratio of ten to one, and some scholars argue it is closer to twenty to one."

In the modern era, Jews did not flee Europe in their tens of thousands to escape Muslims; they did it to escape (Christian) Europe.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #366 - Nov 15^th, 2025 at 7:33pm

As Jabotinsky argued, Jews were never going to be able to negotiate their way into their own nation-state in Palestine with its Arab occupiers. European Jews were effectively invaders and colonisers, he insisted, and that without armed struggle, without overwhelming military force, the Zionist cause would never be achieved.

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Reply #367 - Nov 15^th, 2025 at 9:28pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:14pm:

Well, this is what I mean by your absurd self-conceit and just base, predictable blustering stupidity masking your ignorance:

A timeline of muslim pogroms, murders and prsecution of Jews.
https://sephardicu.com/sephardic-history/history-of-muslim-jewish-conflicts/

Your link turned out to be useless... not from X, so you didn't check it, of course.

AI did it.

"3. Pattern summary

Put simply, if you took a long list of every major Jewish persecution before the modern era, about ninety percent occurred in Christian Europe and about ten percent (or less) occurred in the Muslim world.

This gives the rough but historically grounded ratio of ten to one, and some scholars argue it is closer to twenty to one."

In the modern era, Jews did not flee Europe in their tens of thousands to escape Muslims; they did it to escape (Christian) Europe.

Now you are outright lying, editing my post, arse covering and grimacing.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #368 - Nov 16^th, 2025 at 7:10am

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 9:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:14pm:

Well, this is what I mean by your absurd self-conceit and just base, predictable blustering stupidity masking your ignorance:

A timeline of muslim pogroms, murders and prsecution of Jews.
https://sephardicu.com/sephardic-history/history-of-muslim-jewish-conflicts/

Your link turned out to be useless... not from X, so you didn't check it, of course.

AI did it.

"3. Pattern summary

Put simply, if you took a long list of every major Jewish persecution before the modern era, about ninety percent occurred in Christian Europe and about ten percent (or less) occurred in the Muslim world.

This gives the rough but historically grounded ratio of ten to one, and some scholars argue it is closer to twenty to one."

In the modern era, Jews did not flee Europe in their tens of thousands to escape Muslims; they did it to escape (Christian) Europe.

Now you are outright lying, editing my post, arse covering and grimacing.

You need to get over yourself, Agatha Frank (they/them). You're not who you want us to think you are.

I copied your first reference - turned out it was a headline and a picture of the rabbi author.

The second was a list of resources about the subject...

So, not a summary of your point.

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Reply #369 - Nov 16^th, 2025 at 11:08am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 7:10am:

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 9:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:14pm:

Well, this is what I mean by your absurd self-conceit and just base, predictable blustering stupidity masking your ignorance:

A timeline of muslim pogroms, murders and prsecution of Jews.
https://sephardicu.com/sephardic-history/history-of-muslim-jewish-conflicts/

Your link turned out to be useless... not from X, so you didn't check it, of course.

AI did it.

"3. Pattern summary

Put simply, if you took a long list of every major Jewish persecution before the modern era, about ninety percent occurred in Christian Europe and about ten percent (or less) occurred in the Muslim world.

This gives the rough but historically grounded ratio of ten to one, and some scholars argue it is closer to twenty to one."

In the modern era, Jews did not flee Europe in their tens of thousands to escape Muslims; they did it to escape (Christian) Europe.

Now you are outright lying, editing my post, arse covering and grimacing.

You need to get over yourself, Agatha Frank (they/them). You're not who you want us to think you are.

I copied your first reference - turned out it was a headline and a picture of the rabbi author.

The second was a list of resources about the subject...

So, not a summary of your point.

A refutation of yours.

The headline :
History of Muslim-Jewish Conflicts: From the 7th Century to Today
Explore this comprehensive chart of Muslim-Jewish conflicts from the 7th century, highlighting significant events and their lasting impacts on interfaith relations.

And so if you scrolled down you you'd se a very long list of Muslim pogroms and murders and persecution of Jews since ghe 7th century.

The second lot of sources also provided resources. You could consult both sets which refute your idiotic assertion of

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As opposed to bashing them, robbing them, expelling them, or putting a sword through the heart or a bullet through the head.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #370 - Nov 16^th, 2025 at 12:48pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 11:08am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 7:10am:

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 9:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:14pm:

Well, this is what I mean by your absurd self-conceit and just base, predictable blustering stupidity masking your ignorance:

A timeline of muslim pogroms, murders and prsecution of Jews.
https://sephardicu.com/sephardic-history/history-of-muslim-jewish-conflicts/

Your link turned out to be useless... not from X, so you didn't check it, of course.

AI did it.

"3. Pattern summary

Put simply, if you took a long list of every major Jewish persecution before the modern era, about ninety percent occurred in Christian Europe and about ten percent (or less) occurred in the Muslim world.

This gives the rough but historically grounded ratio of ten to one, and some scholars argue it is closer to twenty to one."

In the modern era, Jews did not flee Europe in their tens of thousands to escape Muslims; they did it to escape (Christian) Europe.

Now you are outright lying, editing my post, arse covering and grimacing.

You need to get over yourself, Agatha Frank (they/them). You're not who you want us to think you are.

I copied your first reference - turned out it was a headline and a picture of the rabbi author.

The second was a list of resources about the subject...

So, not a summary of your point.

A refutation of yours.

The headline :
History of Muslim-Jewish Conflicts: From the 7th Century to Today
Explore this comprehensive chart of Muslim-Jewish conflicts from the 7th century, highlighting significant events and their lasting impacts on interfaith relations.

And so if you scrolled down you you'd se a very long list of Muslim pogroms and murders and persecution of Jews since ghe 7th century.

The second lot of sources also provided resources. You could consult both sets which refute your idiotic assertion of

Quote:

As opposed to bashing them, robbing them, expelling them, or putting a sword through the heart or a bullet through the head.

OK, your link's downloading yesterday must have been interrupted... it has worked today.

The rabbi also includes events involving Jews and Christians, the persecution of individuals, and very minor backlashes due to the actions of a small number of Jews.

Put to AI,

If you sum just the major events:

Christian-origin: about 80-100 significant persecutions

Muslim-origin: something like 20-30 significant persecutions

That is how you get to the heuristic: in the pre-modern world (before the 19th century), the ratio of Christian to Muslim persecution events is roughly in the 10 to 1 to 20 to 1 zone.

On Grumberg's list...

It appears Grumberg sexed up his list by double-counting, included actions against individuals, included insignificant events as if of equal status to major ones, cited events without providing publicly researchable data, etc... to arrive at a list more comparable in size to a list of significant Christian persecutions of Jews.

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Reply #371 - Nov 16^th, 2025 at 1:07pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 11:08am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 7:10am:

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 9:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 7:24pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 5:14pm:

Well, this is what I mean by your absurd self-conceit and just base, predictable blustering stupidity masking your ignorance:

A timeline of muslim pogroms, murders and prsecution of Jews.
https://sephardicu.com/sephardic-history/history-of-muslim-jewish-conflicts/

Your link turned out to be useless... not from X, so you didn't check it, of course.

AI did it.

"3. Pattern summary

Put simply, if you took a long list of every major Jewish persecution before the modern era, about ninety percent occurred in Christian Europe and about ten percent (or less) occurred in the Muslim world.

This gives the rough but historically grounded ratio of ten to one, and some scholars argue it is closer to twenty to one."

In the modern era, Jews did not flee Europe in their tens of thousands to escape Muslims; they did it to escape (Christian) Europe.

Now you are outright lying, editing my post, arse covering and grimacing.

You need to get over yourself, Agatha Frank (they/them). You're not who you want us to think you are.

I copied your first reference - turned out it was a headline and a picture of the rabbi author.

The second was a list of resources about the subject...

So, not a summary of your point.

A refutation of yours.

The headline :
History of Muslim-Jewish Conflicts: From the 7th Century to Today
Explore this comprehensive chart of Muslim-Jewish conflicts from the 7th century, highlighting significant events and their lasting impacts on interfaith relations.

And so if you scrolled down you you'd se a very long list of Muslim pogroms and murders and persecution of Jews since ghe 7th century.

The second lot of sources also provided resources. You could consult both sets which refute your idiotic assertion of

Quote:

As opposed to bashing them, robbing them, expelling them, or putting a sword through the heart or a bullet through the head.

OK, your link's downloading yesterday must have been interrupted... it has worked today.

The rabbi also includes events involving Jews and Christians, the persecution of individuals, and very minor backlashes due to the actions of a small number of Jews.

Put to AI,

If you sum just the major events:

Christian-origin: about 80-100 significant persecutions

Muslim-origin: something like 20-30 significant persecutions

That is how you get to the heuristic: in the pre-modern world (before the 19th century), the ratio of Christian to Muslim persecution events is roughly in the 10 to 1 to 20 to 1 zone.

On Grumberg's list...

It appears Grumberg sexed up his list by double-counting, included actions against individuals, included insignificant events as if of equal status to major ones, cited events without providing publicly researchable data, etc... to arrive at a list more comparable in size to a list of significant Christian persecutions of Jews.

So Muslims, too, bashed, expelled, robbed and mass murdered the Jews throughout history.

Your assertion was bollocks, then. Not your first time.

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As opposed to bashing them, robbing them, expelling them, or putting a sword through the heart or a bullet through the head.

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Reply #372 - Nov 16^th, 2025 at 1:25pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 1:07pm:

So Muslims, too, bashed, expelled, robbed and mass murdered the Jews throughout history.

Your assertion was bollocks, then. Not your first time.

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As opposed to bashing them, robbing them, expelling them, or putting a sword through the heart or a bullet through the head.

Given that gargantuan disparity in incidents over 1400 years, those Muslim-Jewish conflicts are insignificant by comparison.

That cultural/ethno-religious spats erupt between Muslims and Jews, with Muslims having the upper hand in Muslim-ruled lands - included in Gunberg's list - is no different to those of any distinct groups sharing territory.

If that were applied to lists of the same in Christian lands, the list would be thousands of entries long.

Farting in the general direction of 'the Jews' shouldn't be considered persecution.

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Reply #373 - Nov 16^th, 2025 at 2:24pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 1:25pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 1:07pm:

So Muslims, too, bashed, expelled, robbed and mass murdered the Jews throughout history.

Your assertion was bollocks, then. Not your first time.

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As opposed to bashing them, robbing them, expelling them, or putting a sword through the heart or a bullet through the head.

Given that gargantuan disparity in incidents over 1400 years, those Muslim-Jewish conflicts are insignificant by comparison.

That cultural/ethno-religious spats erupt between Muslims and Jews, with Muslims having the upper hand in Muslim-ruled lands - included in Gunberg's list - is no different to those of any distinct groups sharing territory.

If that were applied to lists of the same in Christian lands, the list would be thousands of entries long.

Farting in the general direction of 'the Jews' shouldn't be considered persecution.

Nonsense.

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Reply #374 - Nov 16^th, 2025 at 2:31pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 2:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 1:25pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 1:07pm:

So Muslims, too, bashed, expelled, robbed and mass murdered the Jews throughout history.

Your assertion was bollocks, then. Not your first time.

Quote:

As opposed to bashing them, robbing them, expelling them, or putting a sword through the heart or a bullet through the head.

Given that gargantuan disparity in incidents over 1400 years, those Muslim-Jewish conflicts are insignificant by comparison.

That cultural/ethno-religious spats erupt between Muslims and Jews, with Muslims having the upper hand in Muslim-ruled lands - included in Gunberg's list - is no different to those of any distinct groups sharing territory.

If that were applied to lists of the same in Christian lands, the list would be thousands of entries long.

Farting in the general direction of 'the Jews' shouldn't be considered persecution.

Nonsense.

Try it in AI yourself... the list of Christians farts in the general direction of Jews is huge.

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