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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #270 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:09am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 10:48am:

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 10:41am:

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I don't have an opinion about air. I don't post, nor am I interested in other people's opinions about air.

You post obsessively about Israel's right to exist. Why?

You post other people's opinions about Israel's right to exist. Why?

You are afraid to have your own opinion about Israel's right to exist. Why?

You are even afraid to say whether you agree with all the opinions from other people you post. Why?

You even went as far as insisting that no opinions are necessary, while obsessively posting about it on a politics forum. Why?

Do you understand why your behaviour comes across as curious Meister?

No, freediver, it irritates you because it contradicts the swill you post here unchallenged by other posters who maybe fear a banning or just aren't adept at seeing through your faff.

Reread your own forum advice and... reflect on your behaviour here.

So you are the only one brave enough to post about Israel's right to exist, but not quite brave enough to have an opinion of your own, or even say whether you agree with all the other opinions that you obsessively post?

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #271 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:20am

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:09am:

So you are the only one brave enough to post about Israel's right to exist, but not quite brave enough to have an opinion of your own, or even say whether you agree with all the other opinions that you obsessively post?

So you haven't reread your own forum advice, then.

I don't post about Israel's right to exist; I post about it being a misnomer, popularised by Kissinger and used rhetorically by the West and specifically by post-war US presidents and their administrations, to sanctify US betrayal of the Arab states in 1948.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51729 At my desk.	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #272 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:22am Is it a terrible burden being so uniquely brave that you are prepared to post other people's opinions on in internet forum?
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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #273 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:28am

No country has a right to exist.

All countries stake their claim and are ready to fight other countries
to defend their claim.

We stole Australia from the Abbos,
the Yanks stole the USA from the Indians,
the Kiwis stole NZ from the Maoris,
the Russians stole their land from every country around them and still do now,
the Jews stole their land from the Palestinians.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #274 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:40am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:20am:

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:09am:

So you are the only one brave enough to post about Israel's right to exist, but not quite brave enough to have an opinion of your own, or even say whether you agree with all the other opinions that you obsessively post?

So you haven't reread your own forum advice, then.

I don't post about Israel's right to exist; I post about it being a misnomer, popularised by Kissinger and used rhetorically by the West and specifically by post-war US presidents and their administrations, to sanctify US betrayal of the Arab states in 1948.

Not only did the US betray the Arabs in its support for partition, it also actively applied economic and aid-supply pressure on UN members to vote for partition on multiple states to ensure the partition vote gained its necessary 2/3 majority, including Liberia, Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Venezuela, Philippines, China (ROC), Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, and Ethiopia.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #275 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:43am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:40am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:20am:

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:09am:

So you are the only one brave enough to post about Israel's right to exist, but not quite brave enough to have an opinion of your own, or even say whether you agree with all the other opinions that you obsessively post?

So you haven't reread your own forum advice, then.

I don't post about Israel's right to exist; I post about it being a misnomer, popularised by Kissinger and used rhetorically by the West and specifically by post-war US presidents and their administrations, to sanctify US betrayal of the Arab states in 1948.

Not only did the US betray the Arabs in its support for partition, it also actively applied economic and aid-supply pressure on UN members to vote for partition on multiple states to ensure the partition vote gained its necessary 2/3 majority, including Liberia, Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Venezuela, Philippines, China (ROC), Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, and Ethiopia.

The POMs gave Israel to the Jews but their representative - Lawrence of Arabia -
also promised it to the Arabs. Roll Eyes

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #276 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:52am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:43am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:40am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:20am:

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:09am:

So you are the only one brave enough to post about Israel's right to exist, but not quite brave enough to have an opinion of your own, or even say whether you agree with all the other opinions that you obsessively post?

So you haven't reread your own forum advice, then.

I don't post about Israel's right to exist; I post about it being a misnomer, popularised by Kissinger and used rhetorically by the West and specifically by post-war US presidents and their administrations, to sanctify US betrayal of the Arab states in 1948.

Not only did the US betray the Arabs in its support for partition, it also actively applied economic and aid-supply pressure on UN members to vote for partition on multiple states to ensure the partition vote gained its necessary 2/3 majority, including Liberia, Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Venezuela, Philippines, China (ROC), Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, and Ethiopia.

The POMs gave Israel to the Jews but their representative - Lawrence of Arabia -
also promised it to the Arabs. Roll Eyes

The UK abstained from voting on partition.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #277 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:55am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:52am:

The UK abstained from voting on partition.

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The British Mandate for Palestine was a League of Nations mandate that governed the region between 1920 and 1948. Britain was given the "dual mandate" of administering the territory while simultaneously implementing the 1917 Balfour Declaration, which supported a "national home for the Jewish people" and safeguarding the rights of the existing Arab population. This proved to be a contradictory and difficult task, leading to rising tensions, Arab resistance, and eventually, the British turning the issue over to the United Nations in 1947.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #278 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:57am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:55am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 11:52am:

The UK abstained from voting on partition.

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The British Mandate for Palestine was a League of Nations mandate that governed the region between 1920 and 1948. Britain was given the "dual mandate" of administering the territory while simultaneously implementing the 1917 Balfour Declaration, which supported a "national home for the Jewish people" and safeguarding the rights of the existing Arab population. This proved to be a contradictory and difficult task, leading to rising tensions, Arab resistance, and eventually, the British turning the issue over to the United Nations in 1947.

And the 1948 UN Resolution 181 on the partition of Palestine?

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #279 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:42pm

Well - the division of the region loosely titled Palestine - which at one time was predominantly occupied by Jews anyway - was rejected by the nomadic Arabic tribes who had invaded it - they instead demanded the whole thing.

'Palestine' in that context is sort of like calling Armidale New England.... or Blacktown Sydney ... though the two are not the same. Gaza is even smaller.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51729 At my desk.	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #280 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:57pm I guess the Israelis can take heart from the fact that the only people who question their right to exist are not actually brave enough to question their right to exist.
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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #281 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 4:02pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:42pm:

Well - the division of the region loosely titled Palestine - which at one time was predominantly occupied by Jews anyway - was rejected by the nomadic Arabic tribes who had invaded it - they instead demanded the whole thing.

'Palestine' in that context is sort of like calling Armidale New England.... or Blacktown Sydney ... though the two are not the same. Gaza is even smaller.

The name is irrelevant. The Arab residents had inhabited the land for multiple generations, spanning hundreds of years, in fertile regions for over 1000 years. By any estimation, that length of time qualifies them to be considered owners and occupiers of the land.

Also, not all Arab cultures are nomadic.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16224 Gender:	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #282 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 4:04pm freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 3:57pm: I guess the Israelis can take heart from the fact that the only people who question their right to exist are not actually brave enough to question their right to exist. So, the UN and every sovereign nation-state, then. Reread your forum advice.
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89156 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #283 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 5:45pm https://www.rebelnews.com/anti_israel_activists_bend_reality_to_excuse_jew_hatin...
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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #284 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 6:18pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 10:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 9:23pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 7:57pm:

You do realise they are not innocent people.
They were in full support and public display AND interaction with 'their' TERRORISM agenda which HAMAS represented.

Something like 40% targeted and killed were children. The total of Hamas operatives targeted and killed could be under 1%. The intended point of a lot of these attackes has been to deliberately kill innocent people.

Well that's the fault of Hamas using them as human shields and them willing to be so. They wouldn't have been killed at all, if Hamas fought from behind them. Also, proven fact and footage of terrorist kids armed with guns and yelling "Death to Jews" etc.
So again, your attempt of emotional blackmail by trying to 'hide' from these facts proves your dispicable anti Semitic ways.

When civilians in their hundreds rushed American, Pakistan and Philippines troops to protect/assist Terrorists in Mogadishu. Were they 'innocent' victims?

If Israel failed to act against Terrorism in Gaza, those 'innocents' would have just danced and cheered to the death of Jews and the supreme success of their massacre of true innocents when THEY INVADED & SLAUGHTERED WITH CRUELTY.

Luckily for Afghani citizens when USA went for Al-Qieda. They ran as far from the Terrorists as possible and even pointed them out.
Big difference.

Evil is a murderer who denies their wrong doing and blames the victim.
The Citizens and even children, were (and still are) IN ON IT with Hamas in GENOCIDING any Jew they can... and that includes killing themselves to do it.
You support and sympathise with evil INSANITY.

...let's also add the low level of human behaviour when these Terrorist Civilians (because they couldn't get a gun) are finding that they are hungry, etc and things are not going their way anymore. Still blame the Israelis for not feeding them etc. Evil grifters.
42 Israeli troops have been killed by terrorist kids that produced a firearm when the Israeli soldiers spared them and had their backs turned looking for Hamas instead.

Oh such innocent civilians. Roll Eyes

You're an idiot and a gutless one at that.

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Well that's the fault of Hamas using them as human shields

This is the IDF parrot line.

Lots of these attacks were in areas where they knew there were no Hamas at all. They were deliberately bombing and shooting innocents. That is how you get a huge majority of innocents dead and hardly any Hamas members. Its also how you go about extending the conflict for another 3 or 4 generations. Its very likley that extending the conflict is the desired outcome of the IDF and government.

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