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Reply #255 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 8:59pm

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 8:55pm:

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I don't need an opinion on it. This subject doesn't need any opinion expressed...

So why are you obsessively posting other people's opinion on it, while being too scared to post your own?

I'm posting the facts, as laid down by the UN and acknowledged by a majority of nation-states, that Israel is recognised as a nation-state... that Israel exists.

How about you? Where are you at with hearing the opinions of 'nearly the whole world' on the matter? Reached Indonesia yet? Or have you not left the village?

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54056 Gender:	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #256 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 9:22pm The UN. 😆 Their ineptitude and corruption was the main cause of letting the conflict happen.
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Reply #257 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 9:23pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 7:57pm:

You do realise they are not innocent people.
They were in full support and public display AND interaction with 'their' TERRORISM agenda which HAMAS represented.

Something like 40% targeted and killed were children. The total of Hamas operatives targeted and killed could be under 1%. The intended point of a lot of these attackes has been to deliberately kill innocent people.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16224 Gender:	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #258 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 9:27pm Jasin wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 9:22pm: The UN. 😆 Their ineptitude and corruption was the main cause of letting the conflict happen. The Palestine issue was overseen in the UN by an Australian, H V 'Doc' Evatt. He was the constructor of the partition plan that ensured Israel came into existence.
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Reply #259 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 10:20pm

It's long forgotten now, but before the end of WW2, European powers and the European-descended countries, including Canada and the US, balked at the idea of promoting the establishment of an unwelcome Jewish state in the Middle East.

Both the Roosevelt and the Truman administrations wanted nothing to do with the idea.

The Holocaust changed all that.

It pricked the consciences of all European nations, all of whose respective histories included periods of murderous Jew-hate... And while Nazi Germany made it easy to deflect that guilt onto Germans, the problem became, post-war, what to do with so many Jews wanting to get as far away from Europeans and Europe as possible.

The alternative to a Jewish state? Mass immigration into Canada, the US and Australia - a prospect to those leaders of the time, even more distasteful than betraying the Arabs.

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Reply #260 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 10:38pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 9:23pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 7:57pm:

You do realise they are not innocent people.
They were in full support and public display AND interaction with 'their' TERRORISM agenda which HAMAS represented.

Something like 40% targeted and killed were children. The total of Hamas operatives targeted and killed could be under 1%. The intended point of a lot of these attackes has been to deliberately kill innocent people.

Well that's the fault of Hamas using them as human shields and them willing to be so. They wouldn't have been killed at all, if Hamas fought from behind them. Also, proven fact and footage of terrorist kids armed with guns and yelling "Death to Jews" etc.
So again, your attempt of emotional blackmail by trying to 'hide' from these facts proves your dispicable anti Semitic ways.

When civilians in their hundreds rushed American, Pakistan and Philippines troops to protect/assist Terrorists in Mogadishu. Were they 'innocent' victims?

If Israel failed to act against Terrorism in Gaza, those 'innocents' would have just danced and cheered to the death of Jews and the supreme success of their massacre of true innocents when THEY INVADED & SLAUGHTERED WITH CRUELTY.

Luckily for Afghani citizens when USA went for Al-Qieda. They ran as far from the Terrorists as possible and even pointed them out.
Big difference.

Evil is a murderer who denies their wrong doing and blames the victim.
The Citizens and even children, were (and still are) IN ON IT with Hamas in GENOCIDING any Jew they can... and that includes killing themselves to do it.
You support and sympathise with evil INSANITY.

...let's also add the low level of human behaviour when these Terrorist Civilians (because they couldn't get a gun) are finding that they are hungry, etc and things are not going their way anymore. Still blame the Israelis for not feeding them etc. Evil grifters.
42 Israeli troops have been killed by terrorist kids that produced a firearm when the Israeli soldiers spared them and had their backs turned looking for Hamas instead.

Oh such innocent civilians. Roll Eyes

You're an idiot and a gutless one at that.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #261 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 7:46am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 9:27pm:

The Palestine issue was overseen in the UN by an Australian, H V 'Doc' Evatt. He was the constructor of the partition plan that ensured Israel came into existence.

While many Israelis remember Evatt and the debt of gratitude they owe to him, few Australians seem to be aware of the decisive role he played in ensuring the establishment of the state of Israel.

Evatt, himself a pro-partitioner, was chairing the UN's Palestine Commission, whose arguments against partition, preferring an Arab-controlled Palestine with Jewish enclaves, were more compelling than those of the pro-partitioners, and they had the backing of Truman and his administration.

Evatt separated the two groups and tasked them each with making their best case for their respective position.

He then set about assisting the pro-partitioners at every opportunity.

This included twisting Truman's arm to lean towards partition despite his administration's fierce opposition.

Ultimately, his machinations succeeded.

What he completely underestimated was the depth of Arab outrage, thinking, maybe blythely, that the Arab states would 'come around' with Western incentives - notwithstanding that if any Arab leader/monarch had gone along with partition in 1948, they'd have almost certainly been assassinated by their own militaries.

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #262 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 7:59am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 8:59pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 8:55pm:

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I don't need an opinion on it. This subject doesn't need any opinion expressed...

So why are you obsessively posting other people's opinion on it, while being too scared to post your own?

I'm posting the facts, as laid down by the UN and acknowledged by a majority of nation-states, that Israel is recognised as a nation-state... that Israel exists.

How about you? Where are you at with hearing the opinions of 'nearly the whole world' on the matter? Reached Indonesia yet? Or have you not left the village?

90% of what you post is opinion. Someone else's. Never yours. In the form of an idiotic facebook meme.

Why are you obsessively posting other people's opinion on Israel's right to exist, while being too scared to post your own? And why are you making the incredibly stupid argument that a discussion of Israel's right to exist does not need any opinion expressed?

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #263 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 8:09am

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 7:59am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 8:59pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 8:55pm:

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I don't need an opinion on it. This subject doesn't need any opinion expressed...

So why are you obsessively posting other people's opinion on it, while being too scared to post your own?

'90%', eh!

I'm posting the facts, as laid down by the UN and acknowledged by a majority of nation-states, that Israel is recognised as a nation-state... that Israel exists.

How about you? Where are you at with hearing the opinions of 'nearly the whole world' on the matter? Reached Indonesia yet? Or have you not left the village?

90% of what you post is opinion. Someone else's. Never yours. In the form of an idiotic facebook meme.

Why are you obsessively posting other people's opinion on Israel's right to exist, while being too scared to post your own? And why are you making the incredibly stupid argument that a discussion of Israel's right to exist does not need any opinion expressed?

90%, eh!

You're almost the perfect foil! The kind Plato dreamed up to argue against Socrates... table-thumping, shallow, and over-emotional.

Everything I have posted is publicly available history. Were you aware of any of it? Or is your... 'opinion' based on the drivel you dreamed up, supported by false claims?

I have personal reasons for why I have taken the time to understand the Israel-Palestine, Jewish-European, Jewish-Arab conflicts...

Other than the need to fart faff, what motivates you?

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #264 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 8:42am

The Arab and Israeli passion from religious zeal towards the region, and Jerusalem in particular, has a parallel in recent Christian history.

That of Mussolini and Pope Pius XII.

Pius had irritated Mussolini for his moral stand against his Fascist party politics and was preparing to deal with it once and for all by invading and occupying the Vatican, arresting the Pope, and maybe allowing him to reign as Mussolini's puppet.

He was severely warned off such a move by his advisors, who rightly told him that such a move would, without any doubt, outrage the entire world's Catholics, particularly diaspora Italian Catholics, and would likely result in his overthrow and assassination.

Catholics at the time, and likely still today (maybe even many non-Catholic Christians), regard the Vatican as their spiritual homeland in the way that both Muslims and Jews view Jerusalem.

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Reply #265 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 9:12am

The awkwardness, to say the least, of the notion of Israel's 'right to exist' as popularised by Kissinger, is keenly felt by Israelis.

Though some humour the notion for the sake of non-Jewish pretensions, particularly in the context of American evangelism, which holds that Jesus won't return until Jews have control of his old stomping ground, they are nonetheless uncomfortable, maybe embarrassed even, by the notion.

Israelis are not insensitive to the plight of the Kurds, for example, an Islamic people whose struggle for the restoration of their ancient homeland mirrors their own.

If Israel, then why not Kurdistan?

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Reply #266 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 10:02am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 8:09am:

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 7:59am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 8:59pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 8:55pm:

Quote:

I don't need an opinion on it. This subject doesn't need any opinion expressed...

So why are you obsessively posting other people's opinion on it, while being too scared to post your own?

'90%', eh!

I'm posting the facts, as laid down by the UN and acknowledged by a majority of nation-states, that Israel is recognised as a nation-state... that Israel exists.

How about you? Where are you at with hearing the opinions of 'nearly the whole world' on the matter? Reached Indonesia yet? Or have you not left the village?

90% of what you post is opinion. Someone else's. Never yours. In the form of an idiotic facebook meme.

Why are you obsessively posting other people's opinion on Israel's right to exist, while being too scared to post your own? And why are you making the incredibly stupid argument that a discussion of Israel's right to exist does not need any opinion expressed?

90%, eh!

You're almost the perfect foil! The kind Plato dreamed up to argue against Socrates... table-thumping, shallow, and over-emotional.

Everything I have posted is publicly available history. Were you aware of any of it? Or is your... 'opinion' based on the drivel you dreamed up, supported by false claims?

I have personal reasons for why I have taken the time to understand the Israel-Palestine, Jewish-European, Jewish-Arab conflicts...

Other than the need to fart faff, what motivates you?

So you understand the conflict, but
* are afraid to offer your own opinion
* obsessively post other people's opinions
* insist that no opinion are required

???

Are there any other political issues you feel so obsessed about but at the same time insist no opinions are necessary?

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #267 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 10:27am

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 10:02am:

So you understand the conflict, but
* are afraid to offer your own opinion
* obsessively post other people's opinions
* insist that no opinion are required

???

Are there any other political issues you feel so obsessed about but at the same time insist no opinions are necessary?

You're always on your quest to deflect, eh!

This fear obsession of yours says a (Freudian) lot about you.

I don't have an opinion about air. I don't post, nor am I interested in other people's opinions about air. If I had anything to say about air, it'd be about facts... its chemical composition, its capacity to transmit sound...

How about your using fallacies to support your opinions, breaking your own advice to the rest of us about using them, what's that all about? Hypocrisy? Or did you just copy and paste them from somewhere else?

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #268 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 10:41am

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I don't have an opinion about air. I don't post, nor am I interested in other people's opinions about air.

You post obsessively about Israel's right to exist. Why?

You post other people's opinions about Israel's right to exist. Why?

You are afraid to have your own opinion about Israel's right to exist. Why?

You are even afraid to say whether you agree with all the opinions from other people you post. Why?

You even went as far as insisting that no opinions are necessary, while obsessively posting about it on a politics forum. Why?

Do you understand why your behaviour comes across as curious Meister?

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Re: Israel's right to exist
Reply #269 - Nov 5^th, 2025 at 10:48am

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 10:41am:

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I don't have an opinion about air. I don't post, nor am I interested in other people's opinions about air.

You post obsessively about Israel's right to exist. Why?

You post other people's opinions about Israel's right to exist. Why?

You are afraid to have your own opinion about Israel's right to exist. Why?

You are even afraid to say whether you agree with all the opinions from other people you post. Why?

You even went as far as insisting that no opinions are necessary, while obsessively posting about it on a politics forum. Why?

Do you understand why your behaviour comes across as curious Meister?

No, freediver, it irritates you because it contradicts the swill you post here unchallenged by other posters who maybe fear a banning or just aren't adept at seeing through your faff.

Reread your own forum advice and... reflect on your behaviour here.

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