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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51729 At my desk.	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #225 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 3:37pm freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 1:46pm: But do you have an opinion of your own? So that's a no?
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Reply #226 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:01pm

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 1:46pm:

But do you have an opinion of your own?

So that's a no?

You've tried to run this down that vortex of yours a few times.

It doesn't matter what I believe; it only matters what the facts are... something you should consider before putting fingers to keyboard.

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Reply #227 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:17pm

Bizarrely, many ultra-Orthodox Jews have no strong opinion, or none at all, on Israel's political existence, nevermind its 'right to exist' - something they could honestly argue as they recognise the absolute truth of its bestowment by Yahweh - part of their god's eternal covenant with his people, according to their scriptures.

What chiefly concerns the Orthodox is the building of the third temple as permitted by Yahweh, which they regularly pray for at the Western Wall.

Of course, to build it on the foundations of the first and second temples would require the dismantling of the Al Aqsa Mosque... so if anyone thought the conflict couldn't get any worse... analyse that.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89156 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #228 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:19pm Israel is a formally recognised nation state - there is no argument..... and I will defend Israel to the death. Palestine for Palestinians does not exist ....... there is nothing to fight for.... Gazan terrorist soul-less murderers need to be hunted down like the mad dogs they are... I love dogs - but not that kind.
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Reply #229 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:25pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:19pm:

Israel is a formally recognised nation state - there is no argument..... and I will defend Israel to the death.

What part? Israel has no formally defined borders.

Would you defend to the death Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem?

Would you defend to the death Israel's probable future annexation of the West Bank?

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54056 Gender:	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #230 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:29pm Hamas accepted peace once they were told there was a worse enemy than Jews and Christians. An enemy against Religion itself! ...the Media (of music & entertainment.)
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Reply #231 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:56pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:17pm:

Bizarrely, many ultra-Orthodox Jews have no strong opinion, or none at all, on Israel's political existence, nevermind its 'right to exist' - something they could honestly argue as they recognise the absolute truth of its bestowment by Yahweh - part of their god's eternal covenant with his people, according to their scriptures.

What chiefly concerns the Orthodox is the building of the third temple as permitted by Yahweh, which they regularly pray for at the Western Wall.

Of course, to build it on the foundations of the first and second temples would require the dismantling of the Al Aqsa Mosque... so if anyone thought the conflict couldn't get any worse... analyse that.

**rolls eyes** That's because they live in the 'spiritual realm' - not the physical realm. Need I go any further? Their mindset simply does not encompass such details of life as 'states and nations', just like any 'academic' these days.

Reality is above their pay grade, capisce?

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Reply #232 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 6:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:25pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:19pm:

Israel is a formally recognised nation state - there is no argument..... and I will defend Israel to the death.

What part? Israel has no formally defined borders.

Would you defend to the death Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem?

Would you defend to the death Israel's probable future annexation of the West Bank?

Do you mean annexing the West Bank like Jordan annexed it in 1950?

Yeah, why not. The Palestinian Muslims had EXACTLY the same chance to create their own state in 1948 as the Jews.
But they opted for Jew killing instead, hoping to have it all and kill all the Jews

And that's all they have been doing ever since. Zero effort to build a functioning society, maximum effort to kill Jews and monster their own and whoever takes them in.

So tellenbuggerem.

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Reply #233 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 6:42pm

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:25pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:19pm:

Israel is a formally recognised nation state - there is no argument..... and I will defend Israel to the death.

What part? Israel has no formally defined borders.

Would you defend to the death Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem?

Would you defend to the death Israel's probable future annexation of the West Bank?

Do you mean annexing the West Bank like Jordan annexed it in 1950?

Yeah, why not. The Palestinian Muslims had EXACTLY the same chance to create their own state in 1948 as the Jews.
But they opted for Jew killing instead, hoping to have it all and kill all the Jews

And that's all they have been doing ever since. Zero effort to build a functioning society, maximum effort to kill Jews and monster their own and whoever takes them in.

So tellenbuggerem.

Netanyahu was recently warned off making a grab for the West Bank by the US.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54056 Gender:	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #234 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 6:45pm Islam will fall militarily when they get their French Messiah sacrifice for the sins of their past. Israel will be forced to take control of the entire Middle-East after that.
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Reply #235 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 6:52pm

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Yeah, why not. The Palestinian Muslims had EXACTLY the same chance to create their own state in 1948 as the Jews.
But they opted for Jew killing instead, hoping to have it all and kill all the Jews

They refused to be evicted from their homes and communities, where their families had lived for many generations and hundreds of years.

They claimed the same sense of connection to the land as the mass-migrating European Jews claimed.

The British had promised their community leaders that they would not be evicted. Britain told them that it did not support partition and that the land would remain in Arab control, but after the Zionist militants had tortured and murdered British civilians and soldiers (including Lord Moyne - the British Minister of State for the Middle East) and terrorised the Mandate population officials with bank robberies and bombings, and attempted to assassinate the British PM, Anthony Eden, the British informed the UN that they had had enough...

Although Britain finally announced it would accept partition, it refused to enforce it, citing that it was not accepted by the Arabs. The British also refused to share administrative duties with the UN Palestine Commission during the transitional period.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54056 Gender:	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #236 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 6:56pm Palestine is the name given to describe 'terrorist enclaves'.
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Reply #237 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 6:59pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 5:01pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 1:46pm:

But do you have an opinion of your own?

So that's a no?

You've tried to run this down that vortex of yours a few times.

It doesn't matter what I believe; it only matters what the facts are... something you should consider before putting fingers to keyboard.

You don't give any facts. You give other people's opinions. Usually in the form of an idiotic facebook meme.

Why do you post so obsessively on a topic when you are afraid of your own opinion on it?

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Reply #238 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 7:17pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 6:52pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Yeah, why not. The Palestinian Muslims had EXACTLY the same chance to create their own state in 1948 as the Jews.
But they opted for Jew killing instead, hoping to have it all and kill all the Jews

They refused to be evicted from their homes and communities, where their families had lived for many generations and hundreds of years.

They claimed the same sense of connection to the land as the mass-migrating European Jews claimed.

The British had promised their community leaders that they would not be evicted. Britain told them that it did not support partition and that the land would remain in Arab control, but after the Zionist militants had tortured and murdered British civilians and soldiers (including Lord Moyne - the British Minister of State for the Middle East) and terrorised the Mandate population officials with bank robberies and bombings, and attempted to assassinate the British PM, Anthony Eden, the British informed the UN that they had had enough...

Although Britain finally announced it would accept partition, it refused to enforce it, citing that it was not accepted by the Arabs. The British also refused to share administrative duties with the UN Palestine Commission during the transitional period.

Yeah - nobody can work with the Pallos.
Not the Brits, the Lebs, Jordanians, Egyptians, Israelis.

Just imagine 1948, Israel declared, Palestine declared, no Arab attacks, no subsequent wars and Intifada.
Israel would exist in a smaller scale, Palestine would exist, they could have poured all those billions in aid money into developing a thriving, peaceful country.

Instead, they are paying for Jew slaying, bunkers, tunnels and suicide vests.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60773 Here Gender:	Re: Israel's right to exist Reply #239 - Nov 4^th, 2025 at 7:34pm Quote: Israel's right to exist Its a straw man - Nobody is saying that Israel doesn't have a right to exist. The argument is that they don't have the right to murder over 60,000 innocent people.
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