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Reply #30 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:08pm:
No-one is forcing them to live in Australia's most expensive city


so you naively keep claiming
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Reply #31 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:42pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:37pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:08pm:
No-one is forcing them to live in Australia's most expensive city


so you naively keep claiming


Who do you think it is being forced to live in our most expensive city John?
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Re: Calls For A 5 Year Plan To Limit Negative Gearing
Reply #32 - Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:37pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:08pm:
No-one is forcing them to live in Australia's most expensive city


so you naively keep claiming


Who do you think it is being forced to live in our most expensive city John?


jim.
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Reply #33 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 1:22am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:58am:
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My question was quite simple FD, if, as you Leroy suggested, don't live in Sydney if you cannot afford it, then where do the check out chicks, teachers, nurses etc who service Sydney live?


If they are needed, they will be able to afford it, because they will get paid whatever it takes to get them to turn up to work. Maybe the checkout chicks aren't really needed. They have already been replaced by robots. With the possible exception of teachers, you cannot force them to take a job they don't want. We don't live in a communist regime John. You might not be explicitly stating that we are, but your question pre-supposes and ignorance of capitalism.

This is where minimum wages get a bit silly. People who are unemployable on minimum wages in a place where it is cheap to live may still be employable on minimum wages in a place where no-one else wants to work.

But at the end of the day, you don't have to worry. Sydney is Sydney because so many people want to live there.


.. and then inflation caused by the endless contest between a living wage and costs of living will rise across the entire nation .... and so those with even less will suffer the most... and those in country towns with far less employment and infrastructure that provides jobs and incomes will pay the same prices and more for goods and services.....

Split up the huge and unwieldy States, I tellz yez..
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Reply #34 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 6:47am
 
Welfare groups join union push for housing tax shake-up ahead of productivity talks 


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7 August 2025

ACOSS chief executive Cassandra Goldie says there should be some tax reward for property investment but "nowhere near as generous" as it is now. 

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Australia's peak welfare body wants to see negative gearing phased out and capital gains tax concessions reduced over the next five years as a way of boosting economic activity.

The Australian Council of Social Services wants to see the revenue generated by these changes reinvested into boosting social housing.

What's next?
Business leaders and community groups are putting forward suggestions to boost Australia's economy to be discussed at the upcoming economic round table, held at Parliament House from August 19 to 21.


The Australian Council of Social Services has thrown its weight behind calls to wind back property investor tax breaks, setting up a potential housing flashpoint ahead of the government's economic round table next fortnight.

It comes days after the Australian Council of Trade Unions urged Labor to tackle negative gearing and capital gains tax reform, but Australia's peak welfare body is also pressing for the billions in extra revenue from the tax changes invested in social housing.

In its submission, ACOSS said the 50 per cent capital gains tax discount is "certainly fuelling the housing crisis" and should be halved over five years. Negative gearing, it said, should be phased out entirely over the same period for existing investments.

Union boss calls for one property limit on negative gearing tax breaks

ACTU Secretary Sally McManus says it's time to "bite the bullet" and reform negative gearing and the capital gains tax to make it easier for young people to enter the housing market.

"We are very clear we would phase out the very generous 50 per cent tax discount and get it down to 25 per cent so there'd be some tax reward for property investment but nowhere near as generous," ACOSS chief executive Cassandra Goldie told the ABC.

"If you've got capital, and you're thinking, where can I park it to really grow my wealth, you put it into property."

ACTU secretary Sally McManus made a similar case on ABC's Insiders at the weekend, saying it was time to "bite the bullet" on property tax reform.

While the two peak bodies are not coordinating their campaigns, their aligned positions revive a politically fraught debate Labor abandoned after losing the 2016 and 2019 elections with policies on negative gearing and capital gains tax.

ACOSS wants revenue from the tax changes invested in social housing, arguing Australia has "among the highest home prices in the world" and rents that are "all too often unaffordable" with many tenants lacking security of tenure.

The share of social housing has "fallen by one third from 6 per cent to 4 per cent over the last 30 years" — a trend it wants reversed to "at least its historic level of 6 per cent of dwellings by 2035, and to 10 per cent by 2045", with First Nations housing "a national priority".


Business groups and some senior government figures privately argue welfare groups and the unions' proposed tax changes will do little to boost new housing supply.

Government paring back expectations
Nearly half of all Australian landlords had negatively geared properties in 2023, with the highest earners claiming tens of billions in tax concessions and loopholes.

But business groups and some senior government figures privately argue welfare groups and the unions' proposed tax changes will do little to boost new housing supply, warning that investor demand underpins construction and removing incentives risks stalling projects.

Will Labor's conversation about everything produce anything much?

Inside Labor, two camps have formed around the government's productivity round table: those who doubt Anthony Albanese has the inclination to tackle contentious new policy and those who see a genuine opportunity to achieve something of substance.

ACOSS's submission also urges faster action on climate change, calling for new building standards to achieve zero-carbon, climate-resilient homes and tougher rental rules to improve the energy performance of properties. The group said these measures would cut bills for low-income tenants while protecting them from extreme heat and weather.

In recent weeks, the government has pared back expectations for the summit amid concern among the business community about a union-led ambush and fears the event could be used to justify tax crackdowns on employers and property investors.

Despite the government billing the meeting as a contest of ideas, the ABC understands there will be no joint communique at its conclusion. Instead, Treasurer Jim Chalmers will deliver a wrap-up and nominate a handful of specific changes for implementation.

Ahead of this year's election, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese dismissed speculation Labor was planning to scale back the housing tax breaks.
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Re: Calls For A 5 Year Plan To Limit Negative Gearing
Reply #35 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 6:52am
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:54pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:37pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:08pm:
No-one is forcing them to live in Australia's most expensive city


so you naively keep claiming


Who do you think it is being forced to live in our most expensive city John?


jim.


And who is forcing him?
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Re: Calls For A 5 Year Plan To Limit Negative Gearing
Reply #36 - Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 6:52am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:54pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:37pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:08pm:
No-one is forcing them to live in Australia's most expensive city


so you naively keep claiming


Who do you think it is being forced to live in our most expensive city John?


jim.


And who is forcing him?


his circumstances
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Re: Calls For A 5 Year Plan To Limit Negative Gearing
Reply #37 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 7:13am
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 10:43pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2025 at 6:52am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:54pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:37pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2025 at 8:08pm:
No-one is forcing them to live in Australia's most expensive city


so you naively keep claiming


Who do you think it is being forced to live in our most expensive city John?


jim.


And who is forcing him?


his circumstances


Can you give an example John, of why someone would be forced to live in the one place they cannot actually afford to live?
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Reply #38 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:47am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 4:07pm:
whiteknight wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 11:01am:
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Speaking to the ABC, the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) secretary said the changes were needed to tackle intergenerational inequity and calm soaring house prices which have locked young people out of the market.



Median house price in Sydney is over $1.5 million.

A couple would need combined income over $300K a year to qualify for a loan.
Repayments would be just over $9K a month for 30 years.

Changes to negative gearing can't fix this problem all it will do is reduce the amount of rental properties resulting in rent increases.

How has Australia  become so completely  unaffordable?
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I don’t care about Australians who are living in poverty or their businesses have gone bankrupt or those working hard and still struggling to survive.

BAN THE BURKA!

That’s fair more important!

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Reply #39 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 11:23am
 
Daves2017 wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:47am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 4:07pm:
whiteknight wrote on Aug 3rd, 2025 at 11:01am:
News.com.au
August 3, 2025


Speaking to the ABC, the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) secretary said the changes were needed to tackle intergenerational inequity and calm soaring house prices which have locked young people out of the market.



Median house price in Sydney is over $1.5 million.

A couple would need combined income over $300K a year to qualify for a loan.
Repayments would be just over $9K a month for 30 years.

Changes to negative gearing can't fix this problem all it will do is reduce the amount of rental properties resulting in rent increases.

How has Australia  become so completely  unaffordable?


No not really, just like now many people 50 years ago could not afford to buy a median priced house in Sydney.

The good news is most people that do not live in Sydney can afford to buy a house.
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Reply #40 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 1:15pm
 
Leroy wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 11:23am:
No not really, just like now many people 50 years ago could not afford to buy a median priced house in Sydney.



huge difference

50 years ago the average house price in Sydney was 4.5 times the average salary
today it's 12 times the average salary
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Reply #41 - Aug 9th, 2025 at 10:39am
 
End of housing crisis is possible, only obstacle is Labor   Sad
2025-08-07

The Australian Greens welcome ACOSS’s calls to urgently address the unfair tax breaks that benefit property investors, as well as their call for redirecting funds to building more social housing."

Momentum is growing - ACOSS joins a chorus of stakeholders, including the ACTU and banks, calling on the government to wind back negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount ahead of the Government’s Economic Reform Roundtable."

Under the Greens 2025 election policy, both negative gearing and the CGT discount would be grandfathered to one existing investment property and removed on all second and subsequent properties, ensuring “mum and dad” investors with a single investment property are not negatively impacted, while disincentivising future speculative and unproductive investment in the property market."

Lines attributable to Greens spokesperson for housing Senator Barbara Pocock:

“Every day these tax handouts keep flowing to wealthy property investors, the housing crisis gets worse. They’re cooking our housing system and fuelling intergenerational inequality. Ending the housing crisis is possible, but it’s up to Labor."

“Momentum is growing - we’ve seen calls from across the sectors - unions, banks, economists, welfare groups - all urging the government to take action. It’s absolutely imperative that changes to negative gearing and CGT concessions are on the Economic Roundtable agenda. Winding back the tax discounts for wealthy property investors is the obvious first step in fixing our housing crisis."

“Labor has a choice - it can help fix this housing crisis by reforming the tax discounts for wealthy property investors or it can choose to continue with a system that locks out first home buyers and increases rents. It could choose to redirect funds to build more public and community housing.”

“Let’s be clear - these are tax breaks for wealthy property investors, which come at a cost to first home buyers and owner-occupiers. These are tax breaks that increase levels of homelessness, which advocacy groups have said is the worst in living memory - increasing by 10 percent under this Government since it was elected in 2022."

“Unless the Government makes the necessary reforms to the tax concessions for property investors, we’ll continue to see house prices rise and rents spiral. The Greens stand ready to work with Labor to action this urgent reform."

Lines attributable to Greens Economic Justice Spokesperson Senator Nick McKim:

“Negative gearing and the CGT discount is a gift to wealthy investors that’s helped turn housing from a human right into a speculative asset.”

“They are some of the most destructive tax concessions in the country. They drive up prices, fuel inequality, and help to shut an entire generation out of home ownership.”

“Labor should listen to what the housing advocates, equality stakeholders and Greens have been saying for years, and bring reform to these unfair tax handouts for property investors into the parliament.”
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Reply #42 - Aug 9th, 2025 at 12:03pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 1:15pm:
Leroy wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 11:23am:
No not really, just like now many people 50 years ago could not afford to buy a median priced house in Sydney.



huge difference

50 years ago the average house price in Sydney was 4.5 times the average salary
today it's 12 times the average salary


What was the average size house 50 years ago and what was the average wage 50 years ago compared to now.

50 years ago you painted your house yourself and made curtains, you didn't have an ensuite bathroom on your main bedroom and you did not have a double garage with remote roller door. No alfresco dining area, no insulation, compare apples to apples.
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Reply #43 - Aug 9th, 2025 at 12:07pm
 
lots of people still paint their own houses dumbarse Roll Eyes
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Reply #44 - Aug 9th, 2025 at 12:13pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2025 at 12:07pm:
lots of people still paint their own houses dumbarse Roll Eyes


If you think that house prices are going to fall or stay stable because they remove tax advantages for investors you should be a politician.

Remove investors and you will be reducing supply and we all know when supply falls demand increases and when demand increases you believe that prices will fall. OK
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