lee wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 7:18pm:


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Rather defeats the purpose ?

Dnarever wrote on Jul 11^th, 2025 at 10:55pm:



So where did you find that "quote", it wasn't mine and it doesn't appear on this thread. So why didn't they get the warnings that were given? Or was it that they didn't heed them? They didn't think they needed them?

You are such a fool.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:



So where did you get the idea that Trump was to blame for the Texas flood deaths? Was it one of your media sources? Or just your take?

lee wrote on Jul 12^th, 2025 at 6:15pm:


That's okay, Lee. We're all wondering whether you're to blame too.

After all, you both push the lie that global warming isn't happening/doesn't matter/isn't anything to worry about, when in actual fact, it's the cause of all these so-called random, once-in-a-lifetime disasters.

Increased rainfall and floods, you see, are the result of the earth heating up, precipitating condensation, forming rain clouds and causing, you know, torrential rain.

The earth heating up is the result of increased CO2 emissions, which have increased average global temperatures by at least 0.2 percent each decade since the 1970s.

I know I know, it's so unfair, so complicated, and you'll refer to some Tim Flannery interview from 2001 to say what krap. But do you know?

It is happening, and these are the results. California wildfires in Winter, Texan floods in Summer, increasingly devastating hurricanes during the cyclone seasons. After all, with population increasing, housing density expanding and CO2 levels through the roof, natural disasters caused by global warming are happening all over the world, right before our eyes.

Your DL is the first American prez to dismiss them out of hand. What's more, he's spent the past ten years telling the kinds of lies that spook Americans out of federally-funded disaster-prevention projects and is planning to close FEMA down altogether.

Locally based officials in Texan flood-prone areas rejected FEMA's offer of an early warning system in 2021. They spent their pandemic relief funds in Kerr County on raises to local officials and a new walking path. Since then, funding requests to Texan water authorities went under-funded, leaving locals to fend for themselves.

There is, of course, a bit of a pattern here.

Throughout the Sunbelt during the 2024 hurricane season, MAGA supporters were out with guns, protecting their property from FEMA, rumoured to be coming to seize their land.

While the prez toured the hardest hit areas, your DL was in Mar a Lago, blaming the hurricanes on Sleepy Joe Biden. DL said he didn't know if it was corruption or incompetence, but perhaps it was time to get rid of FEMA altogether.

When your DL finally visited North Carolina in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene, your DL claimed Sleepy Joe had rejected funds to Republican states. The governors of North and South Carolina both came out to dismiss this claim. The governor of Florida refused to comment.

He had refused to take Sleepy Joe's calls at all.

When your DL visited LA in the aftermath of the California fires, he blamed the governor, Gavin "New Scum". DL was campaigning to become the president of the US of A at the time. He put the cause of the unprecedented Winter fires down to a protected species of endangered fish, 4000 miles away from the fires in remote Northern California.

When your DL finally decided to visit Texas yesterday, he praised the work of state and federal authorities, saying they had done an incredible job, the likes of which we've never seen before.

DL praised Kristi Noem during their cabinet meeting on Tuesday, saying nobody had gone in quicker than FEMA. Kristi had to explain that states respond to natural disasters, not FEMA. She went on to remind him of his own plans to can the federal agency:

”We’re cutting through the paperwork", she said, "streamlining it, much like your vision of how FEMA should operate.”

DL must have given Kristi a strange look, so she went on to explain the importance of giving out hugs.

The fake news wanted to know more, so they asked his press secretary Karoline Leavitt, who's response was reminiscent of the message coming out of factory megaphones in China, when Mao was in power:

“The president wants to ensure that American citizens always have what they need during times of need,” she said. "Whether that assistance comes from states or the federal government, that is a policy discussion that will continue."

She refused to take any further questions on the subject.

So, is your DL to blame for the waters of a river rising over 20 feet in the space of a few pre-dawn hours?

No. Is he to blame for spreading lies, creating chaos, overturning civil political discourse, sewing political division, creating scapegoats, promoting conspiracies, sabotaging the US federal government, undermining the work of state governments, destroying as many of America's institutions as he can and exploiting the system for his own personal profit?

I think we all know the answer to that, Lee. There's only one question that remains.

Do you support it?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:


And you have proof? Go for it.

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:



And where is this increased rainfall? Show the history and prove it. Same with floods, of course with more people, more impervious surfaces there may be increased flooding, but that doesn't make it climate change.

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:



Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Please show CO2 as causation.

And don't forget increasing CO2 levels have a reducing effect on temperature.

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:



California has a history of winter fires, try blaming the drying Santa Ana winds.

"Data from California wildfires since 1984 shows that only four major fires have occurred in the winter months, with the majority of large-scale blazes sparking in summer. Before this year’s Palisades and Eaton fires, the largest January wildfire in California history was the 2001 Viejas Fire, which burned over 17 square miles."

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/southern-california-winter-wildfires

I know you don't like Fox, but I am sure if you searched your favourite news site they would have something.

So do summer floods in Texas include May? It certainly ain't winter. Try 1972 South Central Texas Flood.

https://repository.library.noaa.gov/view/noaa/7006

"Increasingly devastating cyclones"? Is that what you want to go with? Not perhaps increased intensity cyclones? Cyclone devastation is a population, property ownership problem. The more people, the more they own ... the greater the devastation.

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:


You mean like the Asheville floods, where the locals said they didn't want or need flood mitigation, in an area prone to flooding?

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:



So now locally based politicians are a euphemism for Presidential?

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:


You mean California's not doing enough burn control was Trump's fault?

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:



Did he? The cause of the fire? Or merely the lack of water to fight the fires? You know the pulling down of dams.

"The largest dam removal project in U.S. history has been completed on the Klamath River near the California-Oregon border, restoring a continuous flow of water to nearly 400 miles of river habitat for the first time in over a century.

California officials announced that the final work has concluded on the removal of four large hydroelectric dams that previously blocked the river. Officials say the estimated $450 million project has finished ahead of schedule and within budget.

Governor Gavin Newsom’s office touted the project’s completion in a statement Wednesday.

“This is a monumental achievement—not just for the Klamath River but for our entire state, nation and planet. By taking down these outdated dams, we are giving salmon and other species a chance to thrive once again while also restoring an essential lifeline for tribal communities who have long depended on the health of the river,” said Newsom."

https://missoulacurrent.com/california-dam-removal/

Most of California is desert like if not actual desert. It often suffers water shortages with an increasing population. But they don't need dams in a hostile environment?

Peccary runs away often. At times, he runs to his board to repost the topic under his control. Coward.

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:55pm:


And you have proof? Go for it.

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:



And where is this increased rainfall? Show the history and prove it. Same with floods, of course with more people, more impervious surfaces there may be increased flooding, but that doesn't make it climate change.

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:



Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Please show CO2 as causation.

And don't forget increasing CO2 levels have a reducing effect on temperature.

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:



California has a history of winter fires, try blaming the drying Santa Ana winds.

"Data from California wildfires since 1984 shows that only four major fires have occurred in the winter months, with the majority of large-scale blazes sparking in summer. Before this year’s Palisades and Eaton fires, the largest January wildfire in California history was the 2001 Viejas Fire, which burned over 17 square miles."

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/southern-california-winter-wildfires

I know you don't like Fox, but I am sure if you searched your favourite news site they would have something.

So do summer floods in Texas include May? It certainly ain't winter. Try 1972 South Central Texas Flood.

https://repository.library.noaa.gov/view/noaa/7006

"Increasingly devastating cyclones"? Is that what you want to go with? Not perhaps increased intensity cyclones? Cyclone devastation is a population, property ownership problem. The more people, the more they own ... the greater the devastation.

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:


You mean like the Asheville floods, where the locals said they didn't want or need flood mitigation, in an area prone to flooding?

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:



So now locally based politicians are a euphemism for Presidential?

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:


You mean California's not doing enough burn control was Trump's fault?

Karnal wrote on Jul 13^th, 2025 at 12:12am:


Desert, is it?

The Klamath River is over 1000 km from Los Angeles, dear. There is no functional system of rivers or aqueducts that carries water this far.

Not in modern Californian history, anyway. Who knows? Maybe the Aztecs devised a system.

Not sure they ever made it to Northern California though. Not too many deserts there, dear.

Now, we'll repeat the question put to you: do you support it?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

lee wrote on Jul 14^th, 2025 at 5:19pm:


Don't want to say, eh?

There there, Lee, we understand.

You always were rather timid about expressing your views, no?