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Instinctive Ethnocultural Recoil
Jul 3rd, 2025 at 9:22am
 
If you were on an average commercial street at night in your region and you saw a group of young people acting in an emotionally animated way - angry, disgusted, would you likely feel an instinctive ethnocultural recoil if:

The group differed from your own and was of general:

African ethnicity
Aboriginal ethnicity
Arab ethnicity
Asian ethnicity
European ethnicity
Indian (subcontinental) ethnicity
Polynesian ethnicity

And/or the group was identifiably:
Muslim
Sikh
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Reply #1 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 9:38am
 
I'm pretty sure the fact that they were angry about something would make you wary, regardless of race or age or religion. Maybe not gender.
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Reply #2 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 10:16am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 9:38am:
I'm pretty sure the fact that they were angry about something would make you wary, regardless of race or age or religion. Maybe not gender.

That's likely. There'd also be the question of emotional degree and the degree of animation, etc...

But the question is, beyond that, would their ethnoculture and/or religion heighten that wariness?
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Reply #3 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 10:58am
 
Not sure. If they were Italian it might lessen it, as they always gesticulate in an animated manner. They are probably just discussing whether to get pasta or pizza for dinner. And Chinese people can sound like they are angry, when it is just a peculiar thing with the language.
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Reply #4 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 10:59am
 
As freediver noted, an angry mob of any race would make one wary, however this would probably be heightened if it was a non Australian mob (assuming the same level of agitation across each mob).
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Reply #5 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:17am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 10:58am:
Not sure. If they were Italian it might lessen it, as they always gesticulate in an animated manner. They are probably just discussing whether to get pasta or pizza for dinner. And Chinese people can sound like they are angry, when it is just a peculiar thing with the language.

Yes, if you're ethnicity is, broadly speaking, European, you're probably less likely to recoil based on the group's European ethnoculture...

And you're also probably more likely to rationalise and determine the cause of the emotional animation to be benign... which you did.

You also rationalised, broadly speaking, an Asian ethnicity in the same manner.

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Reply #6 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:23am
 
I think it is just Chinese, not asian more broadly. On second thought, they might actually be angry because they lost face. I kind of figured out that if you ask how much a trinket costs, they lose face if you walk away without buying it, but also if you end up buying it because they offer it at an absurdly low price. I even had on guy take my cash at the agreed price, then hold onto the item and demand a bit more. So I gave up because I didn't really want it and went to take my cash back, at which point he agreed and went through with the deal. But he was very animated about it. They lose face even if no-one is watching.

Anyway, things are simpler if you don't even look at the products on offer. They are worse than Mexicans, who at least have a sense of humour.
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Reply #7 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:29am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:23am:
I think it is just Chinese, not asian more broadly. On second thought, they might actually be angry because they lost face. I kind of figured out that if you ask how much a trinket costs, they lose face if you walk away without buying it, but also if you end up buying it because they offer it at an absurdly low price. I even had on guy take my cash at the agreed price, then hold onto the item and demand a bit more. So I gave up because I didn't really want it and went to take my cash back, at which point he agreed and went through with the deal. But he was very animated about it. They lose face even if no-one is watching.

Anyway, things are simpler if you don't even look at the products on offer. They are worse than Mexicans, who at least have a sense of humour.

So your rationalising continues regarding Chinese.

Face-saving features in all Southeast Asian cultures, as does bartering, in the way you describe.
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Reply #8 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:33am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:29am:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:23am:
I think it is just Chinese, not asian more broadly. On second thought, they might actually be angry because they lost face. I kind of figured out that if you ask how much a trinket costs, they lose face if you walk away without buying it, but also if you end up buying it because they offer it at an absurdly low price. I even had on guy take my cash at the agreed price, then hold onto the item and demand a bit more. So I gave up because I didn't really want it and went to take my cash back, at which point he agreed and went through with the deal. But he was very animated about it. They lose face even if no-one is watching.

Anyway, things are simpler if you don't even look at the products on offer. They are worse than Mexicans, who at least have a sense of humour.

So your rationalising continues regarding Chinese.

Face-saving features in all Southeast Asian cultures, as does bartering, in the way you describe.


It's called cross cultural communication.

Bartering is universal, but I don't think anyone does it any more. I think you meant haggling.
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Reply #9 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:34am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:23am:
I think it is just Chinese, not asian more broadly. On second thought, they might actually be angry because they lost face. I kind of figured out that if you ask how much a trinket costs, they lose face if you walk away without buying it, but also if you end up buying it because they offer it at an absurdly low price. I even had on guy take my cash at the agreed price, then hold onto the item and demand a bit more. So I gave up because I didn't really want it and went to take my cash back, at which point he agreed and went through with the deal. But he was very animated about it. They lose face even if no-one is watching.

Anyway, things are simpler if you don't even look at the products on offer. They are worse than Mexicans, who at least have a sense of humour.

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Reply #10 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:38am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:33am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:29am:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:23am:
I think it is just Chinese, not asian more broadly. On second thought, they might actually be angry because they lost face. I kind of figured out that if you ask how much a trinket costs, they lose face if you walk away without buying it, but also if you end up buying it because they offer it at an absurdly low price. I even had on guy take my cash at the agreed price, then hold onto the item and demand a bit more. So I gave up because I didn't really want it and went to take my cash back, at which point he agreed and went through with the deal. But he was very animated about it. They lose face even if no-one is watching.

Anyway, things are simpler if you don't even look at the products on offer. They are worse than Mexicans, who at least have a sense of humour.

So your rationalising continues regarding Chinese.

Face-saving features in all Southeast Asian cultures, as does bartering, in the way you describe.


It's called cross cultural communication.

Bartering is universal, but I don't think anyone does it any more. I think you meant haggling.

Ok... haggling.

Interesting that you quibble.
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Reply #11 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:41am
 
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Interesting that you quibble.


It's called communication. I am establishing what you meant to say.

Haggling is also part of our culture, but it is far more formalised, because salaries are too high to have people standing around waiting to be asked the price. We call it price discrimination.
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Reply #12 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:42am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:41am:
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Interesting that you quibble.


It's called communication. I am establishing what you meant to say.

Haggling is also part of our culture, but it is far more formalised, because salaries are too high to have people standing around waiting to be asked the price. We call it price discrimination.

OK... and the topic is?
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Reply #13 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:43am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:42am:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:41am:
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Interesting that you quibble.


It's called communication. I am establishing what you meant to say.

Haggling is also part of our culture, but it is far more formalised, because salaries are too high to have people standing around waiting to be asked the price. We call it price discrimination.

OK... and the topic is?


Are you asking me what the thread title is, or what we are discussing?
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Reply #14 - Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:51am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:43am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:42am:
freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2025 at 11:41am:
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Interesting that you quibble.


It's called communication. I am establishing what you meant to say.

Haggling is also part of our culture, but it is far more formalised, because salaries are too high to have people standing around waiting to be asked the price. We call it price discrimination.

OK... and the topic is?


Are you asking me what the thread title is, or what we are discussing?

So, anyway...

You have responded by quibbling...

When this test was done in the US, measuring pre-conscious eye-to-amydala responses, those claiming to have no ethnic biases pre-test, who were later identified as having pre-conscious ethno-biases, also quibbled.
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