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Reply #30 - Jun 22nd, 2025 at 7:10am
 
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Reply #31 - Jun 22nd, 2025 at 10:37am
 
If Iran had no intention of developing nuclear weapons, why was it enriching uranium at 60 percent when only 5 percent is required for civilian use (electricity generation)?

You don't wait until AFTER they develop one, or the world ends up with a North Korea situation when it is too late.
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Reply #32 - Jun 22nd, 2025 at 2:18pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 21st, 2025 at 10:23pm:
So hardly enough evidence to conclude that Israel was under threat of imminent attack, which is the criteria needed to launch pre-emptive strikes, as required under international law.


What international law?

And what is the cutoff for "imminent" when it comes to nuclear weapons? 10 minutes before they launch?
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Reply #33 - Jun 22nd, 2025 at 3:19pm
 
Once a nation has them, they have them.

You don't wait until the first nuclear test happens, it is too late.

The IAEA the other day said Iran was enriching uranium at 60 percent, which is well above the 5 percent level required for a nuclear power reactor.
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Reply #34 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 7:00am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2025 at 2:18pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 21st, 2025 at 10:23pm:
So hardly enough evidence to conclude that Israel was under threat of imminent attack, which is the criteria needed to launch pre-emptive strikes, as required under international law.


What international law?



As explained by Donald Rothwell, Professor of International Law, Australian National University:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-us-trump-operation-mid...

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Reply #35 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 7:01am
 
MattE wrote on Jun 22nd, 2025 at 3:19pm:
Once a nation has them, they have them.

You don't wait until the first nuclear test happens, it is too late.

The IAEA the other day said Iran was enriching uranium at 60 percent, which is well above the 5 percent level required for a nuclear power reactor.


Can you explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the NPT?
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Reply #36 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 8:00am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 7:00am:
freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2025 at 2:18pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 21st, 2025 at 10:23pm:
So hardly enough evidence to conclude that Israel was under threat of imminent attack, which is the criteria needed to launch pre-emptive strikes, as required under international law.


What international law?



As explained by Donald Rothwell, Professor of International Law, Australian National University:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-us-trump-operation-mid...



What do you think is the cutoff for "imminent" when it comes to nuclear weapons? 10 minutes before they launch?

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Can you explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the NPT?


Probably the billion Muslims next door who want to slaughter them for being Jewish.
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Re: Tulsi Gabbard: Iran not making nuclear weapons
Reply #37 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 8:56am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 8:00am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 7:00am:
freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2025 at 2:18pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 21st, 2025 at 10:23pm:
So hardly enough evidence to conclude that Israel was under threat of imminent attack, which is the criteria needed to launch pre-emptive strikes, as required under international law.


What international law?



As explained by Donald Rothwell, Professor of International Law, Australian National University:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-us-trump-operation-mid...



What do you think is the cutoff for "imminent" when it comes to nuclear weapons? 10 minutes before they launch?

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Can you explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the NPT?


Probably the billion Muslims next door who want to slaughter them for being Jewish.


The term "imminent" in the context of nuclear weapons is intentionally vague and lacks a precise, universally agreed-upon definition. It's a subjective judgment, often based on a combination of factors and assessments, including the readiness of nuclear forces, political tensions, and intelligence information. However, it generally signifies a high probability of imminent use within a relatively short timeframe, often measured in days or even hours.

Here's a breakdown of what "imminent" might mean in this context:

1. Readiness of Nuclear Forces: This includes factors like the alert status of nuclear forces, the availability of launch platforms (missiles, bombers, submarines), and the time it takes to prepare and execute a launch sequence.

2. Political and Military Tensions: High levels of political tension, military buildup, and aggressive rhetoric from opposing sides can increase the likelihood of nuclear weapons use. The presence of a specific triggering event, like a military attack or escalation of conflict, can also be a factor.

3. Intelligence and Assessment: Intelligence agencies play a crucial role in assessing the likelihood of nuclear use. Their analysis of an adversary's intentions, capabilities, and decision-making processes helps determine the imminence of a nuclear attack.

4. Lack of Precise Timeframe: While "imminent" suggests a short timeframe, it's not typically defined in terms of a specific number of hours or days. It's more of a qualitative judgment based on the overall situation and available information.

5. Examples in History: The Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, is a stark example of a situation where the risk of nuclear war was perceived as high and potentially imminent, but ultimately averted.

6. Subjectivity and Context: Ultimately, the judgment of whether nuclear weapons are "imminent" is subjective and depends on the specific context of the situation.
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Reply #38 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 9:09am
 
So under international law, Iran is allowed to build nuclear weapons, calmly point them at Israel, and there is nothing we can do until we think they are about to pull the trigger?
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Reply #39 - Jun 24th, 2025 at 12:49pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 7:01am:
MattE wrote on Jun 22nd, 2025 at 3:19pm:
Once a nation has them, they have them.

You don't wait until the first nuclear test happens, it is too late.

The IAEA the other day said Iran was enriching uranium at 60 percent, which is well above the 5 percent level required for a nuclear power reactor.


Can you explain why Israel refuses to be a part of the NPT?

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Reply #40 - Jun 25th, 2025 at 6:37am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 8:00am:
Probably the billion Muslims next door who want to slaughter them for being Jewish.


Poor FD, can't see past all the hasbara.

Muslims and Jews lived together peacefully for centuries before Zionism.
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Reply #41 - Jun 25th, 2025 at 8:12am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 25th, 2025 at 6:37am:
freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 8:00am:
Probably the billion Muslims next door who want to slaughter them for being Jewish.


Poor FD, can't see past all the hasbara.

Muslims and Jews lived together peacefully for centuries before Zionism.


They live together peacefully in Israel right now.

But everywhere else in the middle east and north africa, there are almost zero Jews left, after all those centuries of "peace".

Muslims will tolerate Jews being alive in the middle east, to some extent. It is the lack of Islamic theocracy to oppress them and the fact that the Jews appear to be in charge that makes them foam at the mouth.
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Re: Tulsi Gabbard: Iran not making nuclear weapons
Reply #42 - Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2025 at 8:12am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 25th, 2025 at 6:37am:
freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2025 at 8:00am:
Probably the billion Muslims next door who want to slaughter them for being Jewish.


Poor FD, can't see past all the hasbara.

Muslims and Jews lived together peacefully for centuries before Zionism.


They live together peacefully in Israel right now.


The slave traders said much the same: Look these slaves are living unharmed.

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But everywhere else in the middle east and north africa, there are almost zero Jews left, after all those centuries of "peace".


That's because Israeli terrorists bombed them and forced them out:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1749169338/5#5


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Muslims will tolerate Jews being alive in the middle east, to some extent. It is the lack of Islamic theocracy to oppress them and the fact that the Jews appear to be in charge that makes them foam at the mouth.


No, their grievance is down to the way those Jews came to be in power, i.e. by ethnic cleansing and other crimes against humanity. And what the ultimate goal of those Jews is, i.e. Greater Israel.
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Reply #43 - Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:47pm
 
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That's because Israeli terrorists bombed them and forced them out:


Wow. You are gullible. You think the Jewish conspiracy is so grand it encompasses genocide of the Jews from almost all of the middle east and north africa.

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No, their grievance is down to the way those Jews came to be in power


If that were true they would object to every other country in the middle east and north africa. They only object to Israel. Because of the Jews.

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And what the ultimate goal of those Jews is, i.e. Greater Israel.


Israel is already great. But you are right, there is no reason it cannot be improved.
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Reply #44 - Jun 26th, 2025 at 7:59pm
 

Good discussion about nukes here:


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