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Commonwealth loses High Court battle
Mar 12th, 2025 at 10:22am
 
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2025 at 12:24pm
 
Looks like we need a new high court.... this one is bemuddled and confused.  This 'Native Title' has grown like Grendl from a simple right to use into a ravening monster... but then ... those who built it knew it would.

All aspects of Native title need to be reviewed and fully clarified and made law.

Just another cash grab after all the wasted royalties.

Looks like we need a Personal Individual rights code so people can get compensation for losses due to government action or inaction.
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Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2025 at 5:19pm
 
This is very interesting, thanks for the link Brian.

It’s far from over particularly if “ other clans” have a competing native title claim for the area.

It’s all very beyond my ability to fully understand but my take away is the government has seriously messed up and it’s going too be a lawyer’s picnic while Rio Tinto walks away laughing all the way to the bank.
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I don’t care about Australians who are living in poverty or their businesses have gone bankrupt or those working hard and still struggling to survive.

BAN THE BURKA!

That’s fair more important!

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Reply #3 - Mar 12th, 2025 at 5:52pm
 
What happened to all the 'royalty' money?  Gone with the wind again?

Maybe they need a full review of their spending etc up there.... that issue seems to have gone quiet in the media with an election coming up  and Labor already on the ropes ...  Grin Grin Grin

Don't look at me - I was always a Labour man - not a Labor one... and I took hits as a Union delegate... and only later realised how wrong I'd been in this 'modern age' ... when 'social science' frantasies overtook reality ...

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'frantasy' - a frantic fantasy .. a fanatical venture into unreality ... unicorn dreaming with rainbows...

Grappler New Dictionary, 2025 as abridged - Grappler University Publications (now stolen) after my site Grappler University was silenced..
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Reply #4 - Mar 12th, 2025 at 6:15pm
 
Well the Cheer Mob lost their land privileges for a block of Coon Cheese to be named after them.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2025 at 8:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2025 at 10:22am:



Editor's Note 12/3/25:
An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated the Commonwealth was
liable for compensation of up to $700 million.
It is unclear how much compensation may be awarded to the Gumatj people.
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Reply #6 - Mar 12th, 2025 at 9:39pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 12th, 2025 at 8:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2025 at 10:22am:



Editor's Note 12/3/25:
An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated the Commonwealth was
liable for compensation of up to $700 million.
It is unclear how much compensation may be awarded to the Gumatj people.


What have they lost?  They were paid royalties ...
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Reply #7 - Mar 12th, 2025 at 11:17pm
 
Bongs are smarter than whites here.
The colour of money is black and they're reaping it in.
Even the Indians are reaping it in via the black market by not having to pay tax.
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Reply #8 - Mar 13th, 2025 at 12:55am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 12th, 2025 at 9:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 12th, 2025 at 8:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2025 at 10:22am:



Editor's Note 12/3/25:
An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated the Commonwealth was
liable for compensation of up to $700 million.
It is unclear how much compensation may be awarded to the Gumatj people.


What have they lost?  They were paid royalties ...


I “ assume “ the argument will go something along these lines-

“Once dispossessed of land, lore and culture (everything), you lose dignity, you lose pride, and you have low self esteem. Indigenous people have occupied Australia for at least 60 000 years and have evolved with the land - changing it and changing with it.
http://www.workingwithindigenousaustralians.“

“Info
The Land - Working with Indigenous Australians.

It’s going too be interesting to see what happens.
I doubt anything really other than legal arguments for the next 30 to 50 years but eventually it will reach a finish.
I speculate in the  event of a end both our indigenous brothers and sisters and the Australian taxpayer will be screwed over and both lawyers and politicians will be the winners.

It could be settled out of court of course and we will never know.
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BAN THE BURKA!

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Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2025 at 6:08am
 
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Reply #10 - Mar 13th, 2025 at 8:07am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 12th, 2025 at 11:17pm:
Bongs are smarter than whites here.
The colour of money is black and they're reaping it in.
Even the Indians are reaping it in via the black market by not having to pay tax.


That's why there is a call to stop mass immigration from such areas... mud hut cunning is no substitute for genuine enterprise, social contribution, and solid citizenship...
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Reply #11 - Mar 13th, 2025 at 9:16am
 
$700 million of our tax dollars going to go to a bunch of people?  Roll Eyes

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The 2025 election WAS a shocker.
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Reply #12 - Mar 13th, 2025 at 9:46am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 9:16am:
$700 million of our tax dollars going to go to a bunch of people?  Roll Eyes



They've already been fed for years on 'royalties' and 'jobs' - now they want the gravy train to continue.

Lessee now - do the workers laid off when it all closes get 'compensation' for loss of cultural life etc?

One law for all - all laws for one - or no law at all!!
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Reply #13 - Mar 14th, 2025 at 12:30pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2025 at 10:22am:



The High Court needs to have a giant enema - and get rid of all thses lefty woke Judges.

Now there's another Yunupingu Big Man in charge up there. Djawa Yunupingu - Galarrwuy Yunupingus brother ... how fitting. Roll Eyes

Gularrwuy, this bloke and the whole Gumatj clan have been receiving/controlling multi millions of dollars in royalties from the bauxite mining companies since it began in 1971.

Now this decision has put an extra $700 million into a Future Fund for the clans on the Gove Peninsular & this Gumatj mob will no doubt milk it for all its worth and nothing will change for the other clans/groups there.

This excerpt from February 1999 - written by the Managing Director of Nabalco - Colin J Agnew

https://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/house_of_representative...


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Presently the local (ie. Section 64 (3)) royalty equivalents amounting to approximately $2.7 million annually are paid as to:

• 65% to Gumatj Association with which about 23% of the Aboriginal people resident in the Gove region are connected

ABORIGINAL LAND RIGHTS (NT) ACT 1976 (“ACT”) REVIEW
S/528295/01

• 20% to some members of the Rirratjingu clan representing an unknown percentage of the Aboriginal people resident in the Gove region are connected; and

• 15% to Laynhapuy Association with which about 41% of the Aboriginal people resident in the Gove region are connected.

Over the years, the distribution of ‘local’ royalty payments has moved from the original 100% distribution to Yirrkala Dhanbul Association,

to 50% to Dhanbul and 50% to Gumatj,

to 100% to Gumatj, and finally to the above distribution.

Leaving aside the “fairness” of the apportionment between the various groups, there is no accountability as to how the local proportion of the royalties are spent.

Not all of the 876 Aboriginal people living within the Gove Peninsula nor all of the 622 Aboriginal people in the homeland areas, receive benefits from this money.

As well, there is little evidence that any of the Aboriginal people deemed to be affected by the Gove
mining operations have benefited
in any tangible way (eg. housing, health, communication, training etc) from the receipt of mining royalty
equivalents.

If the royalty payments made by the Participants were paid directly to the Aboriginal people who have a close geographic proximity to the mining and processing operations (namely those resident at Marngarr,
Nhulunbuy and Yirrkala
) the payments would be equal to approximately $51,300 per family per annum free of tax (5 family members assumed).

Even if the Aboriginal people living in the homelands of the broader Gove region were included in this calculation, the distribution would still
amount to approximately $30,000 free of tax per family per annum.


There is significant disputation today at Gove in relation to the distribution of ‘local’ royalty equivalents.

One group of Aborigines feel that the monies should be disbursed to the traditional owners of the area from which the bauxite is extracted.

This raises the first problem of defining who the traditional owners of an area are.


A section of the Gumatj clan claims ‘ownership’ of the area on which the
mine is situated.


This is disputed by the members of another section of
the Gumatj clan
who claim that they are the traditional owners of the land by virtue of being nominated as caretakers of that land by the Lamamirri clan.

The situation is exacerbated by the fact that descendants of the Lamamirri clan have recently surfaced at Gove to claim they are the traditional owners.


This has been going on for 54 years from 1971 to the present day and all the Albanese Govt & High Court can come up with is throwing nearly a $billion dollars at them. Roll Eyes All the welfare/sitdown money is still on top of that.
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Reply #14 - Mar 14th, 2025 at 12:32pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13th, 2025 at 9:16am:
$700 million of our tax dollars going to go to a bunch of people?  Roll Eyes



billions in their minerals went to a bunch of other people Roll Eyes
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