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Re: Was he ever really lost? Hiker-snowy mtns
Reply #45 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 9:13pm
 
It's a magic trick.
The Media knows, people like being fooled.
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Reply #46 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:06am
 
Sophia wrote on Jan 9th, 2025 at 8:30pm:
I believe he was genuinely lost. Seeing him now on tv walking uphill with hikers that found him… he was weary, thin, and 2 hikers helped him walk uphill.
I said to hubby that a couple factors would help him survive… he’s young and obviously fit from being a hiker and, he’s educated as a doctor to know what helps to stay alive as long as possible.
Yes the body can survive without food but not without water.
I think he may have become disorientated as he said to the rescue hikers something about being 8 days…the hiker showed him the date on her phone and said it’s actually been 13 days!
And trust me… as a photographer absorbed in surrounds to take photos… I know how easily lost one can get.



Yet for an experienced hiker born/lived in a mountainous region of Afghanistan/Pakistan he did everything wrong for someone supposedly lost.

If he found a hut - that's where he should have stayed.
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Reply #47 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:09am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:07am:
Sophia wrote on Jan 9th, 2025 at 8:30pm:
I believe he was genuinely lost. Seeing him now on tv walking uphill with hikers that found him… he was weary, thin, and 2 hikers helped him walk uphill.
I said to hubby that a couple factors would help him survive… he’s young and obviously fit from being a hiker and, he’s educated as a doctor to know what helps to stay alive as long as possible.
Yes the body can survive without food but not without water.
I think he may have become disorientated as he said to the rescue hikers something about being 8 days…the hiker showed him the date on her phone and said it’s actually been 13 days!
And trust me… as a photographer absorbed in surrounds to take photos… I know how easily lost one can get.


Dr Mosley died within a few hours of going for a walk in Greece.


He wasn't an experienced hiker - he was out in extreme heat without water.
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Reply #48 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:13am
 
Sophia wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:54am:
And… despite some saying he must’ve sought legal advice to keep silent… here is a report that may show something else…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-09/hikers-who-found-hadi-nazari-alive-kosciu...

And compare photos of him before he went missing to when found… he definitely looks more dehydrated/gaunt.


There are running creeks & rivers all through that region.

Again - as an experienced hiker he should have followed water courses - which he must have done - because he wouldn't have lasted 2 weeks without water.
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Reply #49 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 8:40am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 11th, 2025 at 7:09am:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:07am:
Sophia wrote on Jan 9th, 2025 at 8:30pm:
I believe he was genuinely lost. Seeing him now on tv walking uphill with hikers that found him… he was weary, thin, and 2 hikers helped him walk uphill.
I said to hubby that a couple factors would help him survive… he’s young and obviously fit from being a hiker and, he’s educated as a doctor to know what helps to stay alive as long as possible.
Yes the body can survive without food but not without water.
I think he may have become disorientated as he said to the rescue hikers something about being 8 days…the hiker showed him the date on her phone and said it’s actually been 13 days!
And trust me… as a photographer absorbed in surrounds to take photos… I know how easily lost one can get.


Dr Mosley died within a few hours of going for a walk in Greece.


He wasn't an experienced hiker - he was out in extreme heat without water.


Yes but… did you see the music clip Frank put up… very very apt!
Here are the lyrics! 

In tropical climes, there are certain times of day
When all the citizens retire to tear their clothes off and perspire
It's one of those rules that the greatest fools obey
Because the sun is much too sultry and one must avoid its ultry-violet ray
Pap it like a-, pap it like a-, pap it like a bull, that's native
Dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it do
The native grieve when the white men leave their huts
Because they're obviously definitely nuts!
Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun
The Japanese don't care to
The Chinese wouldn't dare to
Hindoos and Argentines sleep firmly from 12 to one
But Englishmen detest a siesta
In the Philippines, there are lovely screens to protect you from the glare
In the Malay States, there are hats like plates which the Britishers won't wear
At 12 noon, the natives swoon and no further work is done
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun
Oh, it's such a surprise for the Eastern eyes to see
That though the English are effete, they're quite impervious to heat
When the white man rides, every native hides in glee
Because the simple creatures hope he will impale his solar topee on a tree
Hop in the-, hop in the-, hop in the-, hop in the hut
This ain't native, pay no attention
Dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it, dig it out
It seems such a shame when the English claim the earth
That they give rise to such hilarity and mirth
Hahahahaha, oh, dear
Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun
The smallest Malay rabbit deplores this foolish habit in Hong Kong
They strike a gong and fire off a noonday gun
To reprimand each inmate who's in late
In a jungle town where the sun beats down to the rage of man and beast
The English garb of the English sahib merely gets a bit more creased
In Bangkok at twelve o'clock, they foam at the mouth and run
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun
Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun
The toughest Burmese bandit can never understand it
In Rangoon, the heat of noon is just what the natives shun
They put their Scotch or Rye down, lie down
In the mangrove swamps where the python romps
There is peace from 12 'til two
Even caribous lie around and snooze
For there's nothing else to do
In Bengal to move at all
Is seldom, if ever done
But mad dogs and Englishmen
Go out in the midday
Out in the midday
Out in the midday
Out in the midday
Out in the midday
Out in the midday
Out in the midday sun

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Reply #50 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 6:54pm
 
Sophia wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 1:24pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 12:16pm:
There are certainly questions about this incident. The media touts this bloke an 'an experienced bushwalker' yet he committed the rookie mistake of not staying put when he realised he was lost.  Seems he also found a hut. Why not stay there?  I will be very interested in reading the full story if and when it is released, and as luck would have it I know one of the SES blokes involved in the search and will be seeing him over the Australia Day weekend. I'm keen to get his take on this. 


Everyone that does bush walking in right conditions are experienced! (Just like Bear Grylls?)
Until it becomes a lone situation … with no compass in hand?

I recall in Canada waking through forest to see a lake and our tour guide said to always look behind ourselves to see where we came from for markings/bush/tree patterns to return, as it looks different to where we are headed.
Good advice that.
Be interested to hear what your SES bloke has to say.


Spoke to my mate in the SES over the weekend. He is very sceptical of this blokes survival story. Reckons had he stayed put he would have been found at the latest on day 4, and suspects he was deliberately walking away from searchers. Also felt he looked way too fit to have existed only on a couple of muesli bars and berries for 13 days.  Huh
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Reply #51 - Jan 28th, 2025 at 7:26pm
 
White Man follow compass .. Indian say Sun rise in East, set in West .. sun lower one side sky ... if winter sun further north - walking with sun on left side is East.... right side is West... in Summer sun slightly south - walking with sun on right side is East... left side is West... no walking in circle... same with moon and star at night... North Star always to north...  only white man get lost in desert - no circle - look back along track for straight ... one time lost on strange road - always keep moon in same place know am traveling right direction... find country town...

Likely Yellow Man not 'lost' but suffer loss of self develop Spatial Disorientation - old Indian term for lose balance and fall into head spin and lack of control .... allow spirits to control thought and movement ...  Yellow Man only THINK lost.... mind over matter... mind is wrong this time ..... should avoid peyote bean and tequila ....


Grappler Tribal Wisdom...

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