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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #225 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:14pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 5:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 4:10pm:

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Pity you don’t read a bit about what the law actually says, then you wouldn’t keep putting your feet in it.
Assault rifles are not banned in the US or in Australia and I defy you to shew where, at law, they are banned.
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Did you miss it? (from philperth2010):

The ban was allowed to expire in 2004 without being renewed, and assault rifles once again became legal in the United States.

No doubt you are hiding behind another of your self-serving self-defence ideology's 'definitions', while ignoring the effects of poverty and inequality on the levels of violence in a community.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #226 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:17pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 5:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 4:10pm:

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/zU_nHFaMtVtGzBxbktDZaYzE3Iw=/750x0/filters:no_ups...

Roll Eyes

Pity you don’t read a bit about what the law actually says, then you wouldn’t keep putting your feet in it.
Assault rifles are not banned in the US or in Australia and I defy you to shew where, at law, they are banned.
,

Did you miss it? (from philperth2010):

The ban was allowed to expire in 2004 without being renewed, and assault rifles once again became legal in the United States.

No doubt you are hiding behind another of your self-serving self-defence ideology's 'definitions', while ignoring the effects of poverty and inequality on the levels of violence in a community.

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Sir Eoin O Fada

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #227 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:14pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 5:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 4:10pm:

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/zU_nHFaMtVtGzBxbktDZaYzE3Iw=/750x0/filters:no_ups...

Roll Eyes

Pity you don’t read a bit about what the law actually says, then you wouldn’t keep putting your feet in it.
Assault rifles are not banned in the US or in Australia and I defy you to shew where, at law, they are banned.
,

Did you miss it? (from philperth2010):

The ban was allowed to expire in 2004 without being renewed, and assault rifles once again became legal in the United States.

No doubt you are hiding behind another of your self-serving self-defence ideology's 'definitions', while ignoring the effects of poverty and inequality on the levels of violence in a community.

Didn’t miss it, how could I ?
I read Phil’s Funnies with enjoyment.
I’m not hiding behind definitions I merely stick to definitions instead of flights of fancy.
So I’ll say it again, now listen [or read] carefully, assault rifles have never been banned in either the US or Australia.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #228 - Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:51pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:03pm:

You still don’t understand, which is understandable, but at no time were assault rifles ever banned in the US or in Australia and neither were any rapid fire weapons banned in Australia.
The current firearm laws do not ban any firearms and you cannot, in a month of Sundays shew where they do.

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In 1994, a federal legal initiative was introduced to ban semi-automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. For a period of ten years, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban prohibited 18 semi-automatic firearm models considered by firearm control advocates as dangerous and preferred by violent criminals (Koper et a

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #229 - Dec 24^th, 2024 at 6:06pm

Further to the 71 million guns, both legal and illegal,I’d like to know how the illegal category is calculated.
Ther is in India what are known as ‘’country guns’’, either home made or turned out by the village blacksmith/motor mechanic/anyone with rudimentary knowledge and skills.

Most extreme examples were used by crims in a shoot out with police in Mumbai some years ago.
What made this outstanding was that the crims’ weapons were multi-barrelled and fired electronically, they gave full automatic fire.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #230 - Dec 24^th, 2024 at 6:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:03pm:

You still don’t understand, which is understandable, but at no time were assault rifles ever banned in the US or in Australia and neither were any rapid fire weapons banned in Australia.
The current firearm laws do not ban any firearms and you cannot, in a month of Sundays shew where they do.

Quote:

In 1994, a federal legal initiative was introduced to ban semi-automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. For a period of ten years, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban prohibited 18 semi-automatic firearm models considered by firearm control advocates as dangerous and preferred by violent criminals (Koper et a

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Wrong as usual, assault rifles/weapons were not banned.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #231 - Dec 25^th, 2024 at 7:38am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:03pm:

You still don’t understand, which is understandable, but at no time were assault rifles ever banned in the US or in Australia and neither were any rapid fire weapons banned in Australia.
The current firearm laws do not ban any firearms and you cannot, in a month of Sundays shew where they do.

Quote:

In 1994, a federal legal initiative was introduced to ban semi-automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. For a period of ten years, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban prohibited 18 semi-automatic firearm models considered by firearm control advocates as dangerous and preferred by violent criminals (Koper et a

Source

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Wrong as usual, assault rifles/weapons were not banned.

You are the one who claimed assault rifles/weapons were banned until I showed that you are a dickhead with no idea....You really are an idiot!!!

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 8:46am:

Assault rifles are banned.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2805 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US Reply #232 - Dec 26^th, 2024 at 5:55am Testing
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #233 - Dec 26^th, 2024 at 6:10am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2024 at 7:38am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:03pm:

You still don’t understand, which is understandable, but at no time were assault rifles ever banned in the US or in Australia and neither were any rapid fire weapons banned in Australia.
The current firearm laws do not ban any firearms and you cannot, in a month of Sundays shew where they do.

Quote:

In 1994, a federal legal initiative was introduced to ban semi-automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. For a period of ten years, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban prohibited 18 semi-automatic firearm models considered by firearm control advocates as dangerous and preferred by violent criminals (Koper et a

Source

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Wrong as usual, assault rifles/weapons were not banned.

You are the one who claimed assault rifles/weapons were banned until I showed that you are a dickhead with no idea....You really are an idiot!!!

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 8:46am:

Assault rifles are banned.

Thank you for pointing that out, Phil. Obviously I left out the negative qualifier.
So, so that we get things right, I’ll say it again, assault rifles have never been banned in the US or in Australia and you cannot shew where they have been banned.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #234 - Dec 26^th, 2024 at 9:35am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 6:10am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2024 at 7:38am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:03pm:

You still don’t understand, which is understandable, but at no time were assault rifles ever banned in the US or in Australia and neither were any rapid fire weapons banned in Australia.
The current firearm laws do not ban any firearms and you cannot, in a month of Sundays shew where they do.

Quote:

In 1994, a federal legal initiative was introduced to ban semi-automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. For a period of ten years, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban prohibited 18 semi-automatic firearm models considered by firearm control advocates as dangerous and preferred by violent criminals (Koper et a

Source

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Wrong as usual, assault rifles/weapons were not banned.

You are the one who claimed assault rifles/weapons were banned until I showed that you are a dickhead with no idea....You really are an idiot!!!

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 8:46am:

Assault rifles are banned.

Thank you for pointing that out, Phil. Obviously I left out the negative qualifier.
So, so that we get things right, I’ll say it again, assault rifles have never been banned in the US or in Australia and you cannot shew where they have been banned.

I assume you're playing semantics here, as your statement is demonstrably false.

So, care to explain yourself?

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #236 - Dec 26^th, 2024 at 11:34am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 6:10am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2024 at 7:38am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:03pm:

You still don’t understand, which is understandable, but at no time were assault rifles ever banned in the US or in Australia and neither were any rapid fire weapons banned in Australia.
The current firearm laws do not ban any firearms and you cannot, in a month of Sundays shew where they do.

Quote:

In 1994, a federal legal initiative was introduced to ban semi-automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. For a period of ten years, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban prohibited 18 semi-automatic firearm models considered by firearm control advocates as dangerous and preferred by violent criminals (Koper et a

Source

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Wrong as usual, assault rifles/weapons were not banned.

You are the one who claimed assault rifles/weapons were banned until I showed that you are a dickhead with no idea....You really are an idiot!!!

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 8:46am:

Assault rifles are banned.

Thank you for pointing that out, Phil. Obviously I left out the negative qualifier.
So, so that we get things right, I’ll say it again, assault rifles have never been banned in the US or in Australia and you cannot shew where they have been banned.

I assume you're playing semantics here, as your statement is demonstrably false.

So, care to explain yourself?

With pleasure.
The term ‘’Assault Rifle’’ was picked as an emotive description by the anti gun movement and the MSM for political purposes completely disregarding the actual definition.
The definition is that an assault rifle is a light weapon that utilises an intermediate power round and has a detachable magazine [no specific capacity] and that has FULL AUTOMATIC and/or BURST fire capability, thus the SEMIAUTOMATIC rifles which are commonly referred to as Assault rifles are not Assault rifles at all and to describe them as such is erroneous, misleading and shews an ignorance of weapon types, unknowingly or intentionally.
Assault rifles have never been banned [another emotive word] but they are restricted, however both here and in the US, they and other fully automatic weapons are available, on licence, to approved persons.
Rapid fire rifles and shotguns are available in Australia to anyone who holds an A or B license and are often capable of higher rates of fire than some semiautomatic firearms, a fact that seems to have been unknown to our lawmakers.

Example: I and hundreds of others regularly fire 6 shots in under 5 seconds in Rapid Fire pistol events using manually operated revolving pistols.
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #237 - Dec 26^th, 2024 at 11:48am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 6:10am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2024 at 7:38am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:03pm:

You still don’t understand, which is understandable, but at no time were assault rifles ever banned in the US or in Australia and neither were any rapid fire weapons banned in Australia.
The current firearm laws do not ban any firearms and you cannot, in a month of Sundays shew where they do.

Quote:

In 1994, a federal legal initiative was introduced to ban semi-automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. For a period of ten years, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban prohibited 18 semi-automatic firearm models considered by firearm control advocates as dangerous and preferred by violent criminals (Koper et a

Source

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Wrong as usual, assault rifles/weapons were not banned.

You are the one who claimed assault rifles/weapons were banned until I showed that you are a dickhead with no idea....You really are an idiot!!!

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 8:46am:

Assault rifles are banned.

Thank you for pointing that out, Phil. Obviously I left out the negative qualifier.
So, so that we get things right, I’ll say it again, assault rifles have never been banned in the US or in Australia and you cannot shew where they have been banned.

I assume you're playing semantics here, as your statement is demonstrably false.

So, care to explain yourself?

With pleasure.
The term ‘’Assault Rifle’’ was picked as an emotive description by the anti gun movement and the MSM for political purposes completely disregarding the actual definition.
The definition is that an assault rifle is a light weapon that utilises an intermediate power round and has a detachable magazine [no specific capacity] and that has FULL AUTOMATIC and/or BURST fire capability, thus the SEMIAUTOMATIC rifles which are commonly referred to as Assault rifles are not Assault rifles at all and to describe them as such is erroneous, misleading and shews an ignorance of weapon types, unknowingly or intentionally.
Assault rifles have never been banned [another emotive word] but they are restricted, however both here and in the US, they and other fully automatic weapons are available, on licence, to approved persons.
Rapid fire rifles and shotguns are available in Australia to anyone who holds an A or B license and are often capable of higher rates of fire than some semiautomatic firearms, a fact that seems to have been unknown to our lawmakers.

Example: I and hundreds of others regularly fire 6 shots in under 5 seconds in Rapid Fire pistol events using manually operated revolving pistols.
.

Hmm, okay.

But you are just arguing semantics.

The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act states:

AN ACT

To make unlawful the transfer or possession of assault weapons.

And:

SEC. 4. BAN OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.

So, no matter what interpretation of the Act you, or indeed I, might have it was quite clearly a ban on assault rifles/weapons.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in a school in the US
Reply #239 - Dec 26^th, 2024 at 12:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 11:48am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26^th, 2024 at 6:10am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2024 at 7:38am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 24^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 6:03pm:

You still don’t understand, which is understandable, but at no time were assault rifles ever banned in the US or in Australia and neither were any rapid fire weapons banned in Australia.
The current firearm laws do not ban any firearms and you cannot, in a month of Sundays shew where they do.

Quote:

In 1994, a federal legal initiative was introduced to ban semi-automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. For a period of ten years, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban prohibited 18 semi-automatic firearm models considered by firearm control advocates as dangerous and preferred by violent criminals (Koper et a

Source

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Wrong as usual, assault rifles/weapons were not banned.

You are the one who claimed assault rifles/weapons were banned until I showed that you are a dickhead with no idea....You really are an idiot!!!

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2024 at 8:46am:

Assault rifles are banned.

Thank you for pointing that out, Phil. Obviously I left out the negative qualifier.
So, so that we get things right, I’ll say it again, assault rifles have never been banned in the US or in Australia and you cannot shew where they have been banned.

I assume you're playing semantics here, as your statement is demonstrably false.

So, care to explain yourself?

With pleasure.
The term ‘’Assault Rifle’’ was picked as an emotive description by the anti gun movement and the MSM for political purposes completely disregarding the actual definition.
The definition is that an assault rifle is a light weapon that utilises an intermediate power round and has a detachable magazine [no specific capacity] and that has FULL AUTOMATIC and/or BURST fire capability, thus the SEMIAUTOMATIC rifles which are commonly referred to as Assault rifles are not Assault rifles at all and to describe them as such is erroneous, misleading and shews an ignorance of weapon types, unknowingly or intentionally.
Assault rifles have never been banned [another emotive word] but they are restricted, however both here and in the US, they and other fully automatic weapons are available, on licence, to approved persons.
Rapid fire rifles and shotguns are available in Australia to anyone who holds an A or B license and are often capable of higher rates of fire than some semiautomatic firearms, a fact that seems to have been unknown to our lawmakers.

Example: I and hundreds of others regularly fire 6 shots in under 5 seconds in Rapid Fire pistol events using manually operated revolving pistols.
.

Hmm, okay.

But you are just arguing semantics.

The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act states:

AN ACT

To make unlawful the transfer or possession of assault weapons.

And:

SEC. 4. BAN OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.

So, no matter what interpretation of the Act you, or indeed I, might have it was quite clearly a ban on assault rifles/weapons.

As I said ‘’ban’’ was used as an emotive description for political purposes and had no factual meaning as actual Assault Rifles were legally available.

Any semantics were being used by the law makers, the MSM and those who were wilfully ignorant.

Disabled shooters, particularly the one armed have always been allowed to possess semiautomatic shotguns, loading can easily be accomplished with one hand; having the stump of the other arm helps.

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