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Reply #30 - Jul 12th, 2024 at 3:36pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
Always honest and integrity and knowledgeable answers from me.


Accept when you lie about what the voice is consistently, doubling down over and over for months until finally backed into a corner, unable to escape the facts and forced to submit to reality.

But sure, that's the definition of honesty and integrity /s

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Aboriginals, like children, must be taught that sharing is the only way forward - all others are backwards


That seems like an odd position to take.  Like, you've taken your victimhood to an industrial level.

The Indigenous Australians had their land stolen from them and were subjected to mass genocide and slavery by those doing it.

I know you're aware of this because you've said in the past the British didn't go far enough and should have just wiped them all out.

So now that some of these people's descendants are getting ownership of some of their land back, you're now acting like they've stolen it from you (there's that victimhood again) and should learn how to share?

Is that seriously what you're suggesting?
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Reply #31 - Jul 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm
 
The voice was the foot in the door and all of hell followed after - the door was shut on the voice, but all of hell still follows after.

Simple even for you.... so the voice is a zombie .... but still the active ingredient... ergo - the current push for Aboriginal Supremacism = control over everything and everyone - is a voice by stealth - or you may use the term I just coined - Zombie Voice™.

Now, children - 'native title' gives you the opportunity for free shared usage... shared with others ... and there are no restrictions on your usage other than it cannot be on privately owned land and must be legal.......  this is a once and only offer .......... refuse it - for example by demanding total ownership of Fraser Island and other spots when you already possess native title rights ... and you will lose all other rights to claim property, including native title, which you have rejected.

Grappler Government has offered you the best possible deal - Native Title to wander as you choose, camp and such freely, do your thing as long as it's legal - AND - unlike the lying Philistines in Macquarie Street or Brisbane or The Gaga Strip of Canberra ... we offer you SOME fully owned freehold land to own and build on etc.

That's a better deal than anyone else gets here, given the cost of land, and is final settlement on all your claims - now long outdated and vanished and gone into the dust bins of history..... nobody is trying to stop you from your traditional pursuits... camping out, fishing, yabbying, etc, the odd ceremony ... YOU, on the other hand, are trying your hardest to prevent others from enjoying the same rights in THEIR own country - theirs the same as it is yours.

Now share and be good children, and use your allocated freehold plots wisely ...... this IS a final settlement offer.  Throw it away like the Gazans did with the offered 'Two States Settlement' - and you are one your own on the dole.

That sums it up nicely.

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Re: The Voice, does everyone remember what it was
Reply #32 - Jul 12th, 2024 at 4:14pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm:
The voice was the foot in the door and all of hell followed after - the door was shut on the voice, but all of hell still follows after.


And that's where your assumptions have failed you.

Yes the door was shut on the Voice, that's what we decided via the Referendum.

So be it.

But that doesn't mean anything else related to Indigenous Australians should be discarded for the rest of time in perpetuity.

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Simple even for you.... so the voice is a zombie .... but still the active ingredient... ergo - the current push for Aboriginal Supremacism = control over everything and everyone - is a voice by stealth - or you may use the term I just coined - Zombie Voice™.


That's merely the interpretation you've chosen to accept as it aligns with your beliefs.

But in reality, the voice was the advisory body to parliament, enshrined in the constitution.

This is no more.

Treaty, Truth-Telling, they're not advisory bodies and even if we assume part of them require constitutional change (which would be foolish given the experience of the Voice), we didn't vote on that change yet.

Back to the polls.

They are entirely separate issue.

You're trying to put everything relating to Indigenous Australians you don't like, under the umbrella of "The Voice" as a way of painting yourself as a victim since we voted it down already, and a lazy way of saying whatever you're taking issue with, should be stopped because we already said No.

That's like saying at the next election, Dutton Vs Albo, we shouldn't bother because we already voted against the LNP in 2022.

That's not how it works pumpkin.
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Reply #33 - Jul 12th, 2024 at 6:42pm
 
You don't like my policy of - ask a lot... get little bit, little bit?

Trouble is they are not separate issues... they are part of then whole as laid down in the putsch for a voice... all in the documentation - and I said at the time that Albo was being disingenuous by not presenting the thing as a whole, but struggling to persuade everyone it was just a simple request for a consultation.... well walk right in to my office - we'll consult - then you can go out the door ... no need to have a permanent seat in the house for a lobby group.  You're entitled to your wrong opinion on this - you are not entitled to harp on and on about it..... are you a sheila or something?  If you keep repeating it enough everyone will believe you, eh??

Put simply - Albo lied, he knew he was lying, when he said it was only an advisory group set up permanently in the constitution (as in WTF?) - people voted against it because of what was involved as parts of it ... not just as it was presented - and the second most common comment (the first being NO means NO) is that all of those things were rejected at the vote.  That's how the majority see it - I'm sorry to tell you..... you're going down .....

YOU persist with the lie - and you are going nowhere.
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Reply #34 - Jul 12th, 2024 at 7:37pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 11:19am:
'Aboriginal supremacism' ....lol.

Anyone still doubting Crappler is offffffff with the pixies?



Not as far as you I'm afraid.
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Reply #35 - Jul 12th, 2024 at 8:57pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 7:37pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 11:19am:
'Aboriginal supremacism' ....lol.

Anyone still doubting Crappler is offffffff with the pixies?



Not as far as you I'm afraid.



I have to work a lot harder at it....

I'm guessing that mothra and co can't begin to see that there is no difference between White Supremacism, Black Supremacism, Feminist Supremacism, or any other Supremacist belief system.

As I said in my once and final offer - nobody is trying to throw Aborigines out of doing their thing on Open Range... fishing, camping out, yabbying, hunting a roo etc... it is they who are trying to cut other people out of using the same areas.  Now THAT is the supremacism involved... there is NO White supremacism - only the rights of the majority ... but, of course, those rights are exactly what supremacists and their similar minded Nazi and Stalinist mates, like a few here who are too dumb to know what they are about and therefore would make excellent camp  guards, are trying to take control of, dominate and then extinguish.

Who was trying to drive the Aborigines off Ayers Rock?  Mt Warning?  All the other places?

NOBODY!

Who is trying to drive everyone else off Ayers Rock, Mt Warning and a host of other places?   Ummm - let me think..... must be a group of supremacists demanding total control like true Nazis, and under some out-moded imperialist idea of:-  "I see it - therefore it is mine!".  Those times are gone.... your spears cannot hold back the 21st Century and it's time to take the once and only offer I've stated - native rights to wander etc plus a plot of freehold ... once and once only ... or go it on your own with no assistance other than what all others get... dole and pension or work.

This piccie was taken of some artwork someone did in The Druitt... a houso Black stronghold....
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Reply #36 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 11:30pm
 
Anyway - all these 'white supremacist neo-nazis' peccary loves to talk about all the time.... the greatest security danger at this time.... why aren't they all romping through the tent cities of the leftie student Hamas Luvvahs and giving those types a lesson?

Damned hard to find these neo-Nazi white supremacists, eh?  Jeez - they were so in your face they didn't even once get stuck into 'The Aboriginal Embassy'.... that quaint little thing in Cambra - Gaga Strip of the ACT.

Oh, dear - they must be hiding under every bed and behind every bush..... when Antifa was out there rioting, why weren't they all out hitting them with clubs? Why weren't there massive brawls between conflicting sides?  Seems they don't really exist, eh? 

Why aren't they out there fixing these uppity Aborigines?

Seems they just don't exist..... all fantasy and paranoia to make up a different reality.... you see - white people are not the aggressors here.... we're demanding nothing..... we are being demanded of.... and you know how I treat demands....  automatic NO!
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Reply #37 - Jul 19th, 2024 at 11:02am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 11:30pm:
Anyway - all these 'white supremacist neo-nazis' peccary loves to talk about all the time.... the greatest security danger at this time.... why aren't they all romping through the tent cities of the leftie student Hamas Luvvahs and giving those types a lesson?


Maybe they're like you and prefer to push their hate anonymously on an internet forum?
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Reply #38 - Jul 19th, 2024 at 1:26pm
 
Yes - it was 112 pages of propaganda designed to push a special body into parliament, a lobby group fully paid for and massively salaried and perked, and which then would feel the entitlement™ to impose its demands on any and every issue it felt like..... even by threat of playing up and even violence (punishment of politicians who don't 'listen') .....

Not one single other group in society has anything near such 'rights'...... and the fact that rejection has been met with violence, threats, terror attacks and so forth is sufficient reason to say - 'no justification is needed for rejecting this monstrosity'.

No despotic state in history could have designed the supremacy of a semi-educated minority better....

Better to round up the Usual Suspects ........... put the criminal elements behind bars ....  (heh, heh, heh) ...
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Reply #39 - Jul 19th, 2024 at 1:28pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 11:02am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 11:30pm:
Anyway - all these 'white supremacist neo-nazis' peccary loves to talk about all the time.... the greatest security danger at this time.... why aren't they all romping through the tent cities of the leftie student Hamas Luvvahs and giving those types a lesson?


Maybe they're like you and prefer to push their hate anonymously on an internet forum?


Finally a step forward for you - you admit Hamas Luvvahs are filled with hatred... that sure took some work ............. now move on with your newly opened thinking.... there's a thin slice of light coming in there... follow it ...
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Reply #40 - Jul 19th, 2024 at 2:57pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 1:28pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 11:02am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 11:30pm:
Anyway - all these 'white supremacist neo-nazis' peccary loves to talk about all the time.... the greatest security danger at this time.... why aren't they all romping through the tent cities of the leftie student Hamas Luvvahs and giving those types a lesson?


Maybe they're like you and prefer to push their hate anonymously on an internet forum?


Finally a step forward for you - you admit Hamas Luvvahs are filled with hatred... that sure took some work ............. now move on with your newly opened thinking.... there's a thin slice of light coming in there... follow it ...


Why not redefine what I said to something more palatable for you, it's what you've been doing from the start anyway.
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Reply #41 - Jul 19th, 2024 at 3:33pm
 
We sure do remember - and what a relief it was to see it go... now for the Zombie Voice....
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