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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #405 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 2:50pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 12:38pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 12:05pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:35am:
Anything critical of a non- white person is automatically wacist and triggered.


That's not what I said, but it's the safe space you need to craft to continue to feed your victimhood.

What I said was,

ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:03am:
If she holds dual citizenship, then she's ineligible for the Senate and should be removed, like Ludlam and other people from the past.

But someone with your history can't pretend to be able to hide the motivation behind this, especially after you've been parroting Hanson's racist slurs.


To date, we have an unsubstantiated accusation from an individual who, in September 2022, was found to have engaged in "seriously offensive" and intimidating conduct against Mehreen Faruqi, a breach of the Racial Discrimination Act. Now, this same person appears to have redirected her attention to Fatima Payman.

The question remains: does Hanson possess credible evidence to support her claim, or is this merely an attempt to deflect from the humiliation of having her own racist rhetoric thrown back at her in the Senate by Payman, a painful reminder of the judicial finding against her?

If there is evidence, it warrants a thorough investigation. Should Payman be found to hold dual citizenship, she must vacate her Senate position, as precedent dictates.

However, in the absence of such evidence, this can only be viewed as yet another instance of Hanson weaponising race to attack those who challenge her bigotry, targeting one of the very individuals she seems to disdain so profoundly.

Much like others with a fragile grasp on their arguments, Hanson resorts to personal attacks when outclassed by those she clearly cannot match in reason or dignity. 

Sounds very much like you Frank, no wonder you resonate so much with her.


There is ZERO documentary or any other evidence that the Afghan government has cancelled Payman's Afghan citizenship.

Therefore there is ZERO evidence to prove that she is not still a dual citizen which would pr exclude her from being in parliament.


That's not how accusations work.

Before nominating for election, candidates must ensure they are not disqualified under Section 44 of the Constitution, which includes restrictions on dual citizenship.

Specifically, Section 44(i) disqualifies anyone who is "a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power."

Candidates must take "reasonable steps" to renounce any foreign citizenship before their nomination is valid.

While the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) does not verify citizenship, candidates must sign a statutory declaration and provide evidence of their renunciation.

Payman will have had to go through this same process.

If Hanson intends to make her accusations stick, the onus is on her to produce credible evidence that would justify a formal investigation.

She has failed to do this.

Instead, her response reeks of a desperate attempt to clap back after being publicly humiliated in the Senate, a knee-jerk reaction that lacks even a shred of substantiation.

Without evidence, her claims devolve into little more than a personal attack, undermining both her argument and her credibility.

One can't help but wonder about her true motivation. Is this another instance of Hanson weaponising baseless accusations to deflect from her failures? Or is it simply the flailing of a politician who thrives on controversy but falters in the face of reason?

Or something darker, yet entirely on brand?


Long winded bollocks.
Show the evidence that the Afghan government cancelled her citizenship.

Others had to show such evidence or resign.


When credible accusations emerged, real, substantiated claims, not the hollow grumblings of a resentful, defeated Senator trying to salvage her pride after a humiliating verbal thrashing, desperate for petty revenge.

The current evidence is her Statutory Declaration.  If you think she's lied on that, you'll need something, anything, to warrant supporting that claim and requiring and investigation.

Right now you, and Hanson, have nothing.

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The rest is, as I say, long winded bollocks.


Yes, we get it, you despise inconvenient facts and cling to denial to preserve your fragile little safe space. Why would anyone expect this time to be any different?
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #406 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:04pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 2:50pm:
The current evidence is her Statutory Declaration.  If you think she's lied on that, you'll need something, anything, to warrant supporting that claim and requiring and investigation.

Right now you, and Hanson, have nothing.


Let's examine that a little further.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 12:38pm:
Specifically, Section 44(i) disqualifies anyone who is "a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power."

Candidates must take "reasonable steps" to renounce any foreign citizenship before their nomination is valid.

While the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) does not verify citizenship, candidates must sign a statutory declaration and provide evidence of their renunciation.

Payman will have had to go through this same process.


So the claims about her Afghan citizenship primarily stem from Pauline Hanson's motions questioning her compliance with section 44 of the Australian Constitution, which prohibits dual citizens from serving in Parliament.

Payman has stated that she has taken all reasonable steps to renounce her Afghan citizenship.

However, the formal process cannot be completed due to the current political situation in Afghanistan, including the Taliban's control​.

If you, Hanson, or anyone else has actual evidence that Fatima Payman failed to take "reasonable steps" to renounce her Afghan citizenship, then produce it, right here, right now.

Otherwise, stop peddling baseless accusations and smear campaigns.

If you claim she hasn’t met the standard, then be specific: what exact actions do you believe she omitted?

Outline the supposedly "reasonable" steps she failed to take, despite the barriers posed by a government now controlled by the Taliban.

Put up or shut up.
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #407 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:42pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:04pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 2:50pm:
The current evidence is her Statutory Declaration.  If you think she's lied on that, you'll need something, anything, to warrant supporting that claim and requiring and investigation.

Right now you, and Hanson, have nothing.


Let's examine that a little further.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 12:38pm:
Specifically, Section 44(i) disqualifies anyone who is "a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power."

Candidates must take "reasonable steps" to renounce any foreign citizenship before their nomination is valid.

While the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) does not verify citizenship, candidates must sign a statutory declaration and provide evidence of their renunciation.

Payman will have had to go through this same process.


So the claims about her Afghan citizenship primarily stem from Pauline Hanson's motions questioning her compliance with section 44 of the Australian Constitution, which prohibits dual citizens from serving in Parliament.

Payman has stated that she has taken all reasonable steps to renounce her Afghan citizenship.

However, the formal process cannot be completed due to the current political situation in Afghanistan, including the Taliban's control​.

If you, Hanson, or anyone else has actual evidence that Fatima Payman failed to take "reasonable steps" to renounce her Afghan citizenship, then produce it, right here, right now.

Otherwise, stop peddling baseless accusations and smear campaigns.

If you claim she hasn’t met the standard, then be specific: what exact actions do you believe she omitted?

Outline the supposedly "reasonable" steps she failed to take, despite the barriers posed by a government now controlled by the Taliban.

Put up or shut up.


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Senator Payman said she went to the Afghanistan embassy in October 2021, where she was told her request for renunciation could not be completed.

“The embassy advised me that there is no communication ­between it and the new Taliban government in Afghanistan. As such, the embassy told me that my application for renunciation could not (be) finalised in Kabul (as required under pre-Taliban Afghan law),” she wrote.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/senior-labor-figures-reportedly-hold-c...
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #408 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:26pm
 
"Fatima Payman is a good moslem"? Stick her in room without running water, rights of the United Nations, and a sense of misogynistic dread. I'm pretty sure that she will be joining One Nation within the weekend.
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #409 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:37pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:42pm:
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Senator Payman said she went to the Afghanistan embassy in October 2021, where she was told her request for renunciation could not be completed.

“The embassy advised me that there is no communication ­between it and the new Taliban government in Afghanistan. As such, the embassy told me that my application for renunciation could not (be) finalised in Kabul (as required under pre-Taliban Afghan law),” she wrote.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/senior-labor-figures-reportedly-hold-c...


So what other "reasonable steps" should she have taken, that she didn't, that would put her foul of the act?

That was the question put to you after all.

What you've listed exonerates her from Hanson's claims.  She followed the letter of the law.
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #410 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:55pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:37pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:42pm:
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Senator Payman said she went to the Afghanistan embassy in October 2021, where she was told her request for renunciation could not be completed.

“The embassy advised me that there is no communication ­between it and the new Taliban government in Afghanistan. As such, the embassy told me that my application for renunciation could not (be) finalised in Kabul (as required under pre-Taliban Afghan law),” she wrote.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/senior-labor-figures-reportedly-hold-c...


So what other "reasonable steps" should she have taken, that she didn't, that would put her foul of the act?

That was the question put to you after all.

What you've listed exonerates her from Hanson's claims.  She followed the letter of the law.


Not run/ resign until she is sure that she is no longer an Afghan citizen.
She KNEW her citizenship status has not been resolved. That means her citizenship has not been revoked.

Play by the rules. Not rat on her party. Act honourable, honestly.
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Reply #411 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:16pm
 
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Reply #412 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:16pm:



There you go Sad, Bbwian has all the answers as usual.

He is more educated than most here, you know.  Oh, yes.
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Reply #413 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
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There you go Sad, Bbwian has all the answers as usual.

He is more educated than most here, you know.  Oh, yes.


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Reply #414 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:19pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:16pm:


There you go Sad, Bbwian has all the answers as usual.

He is more educated than most here, you know.  Oh, yes.


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Reply #416 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:32pm
 
She KNEW her citizenship status has not been resolved. That means her citizenship has not been revoked. So she is still a dual citizen.

Bbwiyawn, yawn if you do not understand any of that.


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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #417 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:55pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:37pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:42pm:
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Senator Payman said she went to the Afghanistan embassy in October 2021, where she was told her request for renunciation could not be completed.

“The embassy advised me that there is no communication ­between it and the new Taliban government in Afghanistan. As such, the embassy told me that my application for renunciation could not (be) finalised in Kabul (as required under pre-Taliban Afghan law),” she wrote.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/senior-labor-figures-reportedly-hold-c...


So what other "reasonable steps" should she have taken, that she didn't, that would put her foul of the act?

That was the question put to you after all.

What you've listed exonerates her from Hanson's claims.  She followed the letter of the law.


Not run/ resign until she is sure that she is no longer an Afghan citizen.
She KNEW her citizenship status has not been resolved. That means her citizenship has not been revoked.

Play by the rules. Not rat on her party. Act honourable, honestly.


She fulfilled her obligation to take all reasonable steps, as required by law.

Moreover, she adhered to the legal framework, and you’ve failed to provide any substantive evidence of alternative actions she could have taken to resolve her dual citizenship status more effectively.

Hanson has also failed to demonstrate what could have been done differently.

Better luck next time, your argument falls flat yet again.
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Reply #418 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:41pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:39pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:55pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:37pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:42pm:
July 5, 2024 -


Senator Payman said she went to the Afghanistan embassy in October 2021, where she was told her request for renunciation could not be completed.

“The embassy advised me that there is no communication ­between it and the new Taliban government in Afghanistan. As such, the embassy told me that my application for renunciation could not (be) finalised in Kabul (as required under pre-Taliban Afghan law),” she wrote.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/senior-labor-figures-reportedly-hold-c...


So what other "reasonable steps" should she have taken, that she didn't, that would put her foul of the act?

That was the question put to you after all.

What you've listed exonerates her from Hanson's claims.  She followed the letter of the law.


Not run/ resign until she is sure that she is no longer an Afghan citizen.
She KNEW her citizenship status has not been resolved. That means her citizenship has not been revoked.

Play by the rules. Not rat on her party. Act honourable, honestly.


She fulfilled her obligation to take all reasonable steps, as required by law.

Moreover, she adhered to the legal framework, and you’ve failed to provide any substantive evidence of alternative actions she could have taken to resolve her dual citizenship status more effectively.

Hanson has also failed to demonstrate what could have been done differently.

Better luck next time, your argument falls flat yet again.



Senator Payman said she went to the Afghanistan embassy in October 2021, where she was told her request for renunciation could not be completed.


You would not tolerate this from a white British member of parliament, Sad sack of ridiculousness.


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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #419 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:41pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:39pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:55pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 4:37pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 3:42pm:
July 5, 2024 -


Senator Payman said she went to the Afghanistan embassy in October 2021, where she was told her request for renunciation could not be completed.

“The embassy advised me that there is no communication ­between it and the new Taliban government in Afghanistan. As such, the embassy told me that my application for renunciation could not (be) finalised in Kabul (as required under pre-Taliban Afghan law),” she wrote.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/senior-labor-figures-reportedly-hold-c...


So what other "reasonable steps" should she have taken, that she didn't, that would put her foul of the act?

That was the question put to you after all.

What you've listed exonerates her from Hanson's claims.  She followed the letter of the law.


Not run/ resign until she is sure that she is no longer an Afghan citizen.
She KNEW her citizenship status has not been resolved. That means her citizenship has not been revoked.

Play by the rules. Not rat on her party. Act honourable, honestly.


She fulfilled her obligation to take all reasonable steps, as required by law.

Moreover, she adhered to the legal framework, and you’ve failed to provide any substantive evidence of alternative actions she could have taken to resolve her dual citizenship status more effectively.

Hanson has also failed to demonstrate what could have been done differently.

Better luck next time, your argument falls flat yet again.



Senator Payman said she went to the Afghanistan embassy in October 2021, where she was told her request for renunciation could not be completed.


You would not tolerate this from a white British member of parliament, Sad sack of ridiculousness.




The Taliban are in Government in the UK now, preventing people from renouncing their citizenship?

I had no idea...!
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