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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #300 - Jul 24th, 2024 at 10:38am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 7:14pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:03pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2024 at 6:08pm:
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I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs


So what do you think she meant by what she said?


She, like me - and 3/4 of the UN member states -  wants recognition of Palestine NOW, and the illegal settler "Promised Land" ideologues bulldozed out of the WB NOW. 


How do you actually know what she wants? Because the CCP told you? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?

And why do you keep avoiding the question?


She resigned from the ALP BECAUSE the ALP hasn't recognized Palestine; do try to keep up.

And btw I answer ALL your inane questions, as you well know.
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Reply #301 - Jul 24th, 2024 at 10:49am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 9:33am:
Radical preachers and extremist organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir have attacked Australia’s democracy and The Muslim Vote campaign, calling it a “shirk” and an insult to Allah, at sermons in southwest Sydney, the geographical heart of a community-led Muslim political movement.

Abu Ousayd, also known as Wissam Haddad, and Hizb ut-Tahrir’s Australian branch took to pulpits in Sydney’s Canterbury-Bankstown area on Friday to call Muslims in parliament “apostates” and order their followers to boycott elections.

They also criticised the Muslim Vote’s leadership for its historical deradicalisation efforts and current political participation, with Mr Ousayd signalling he wanted an ­alternative route to power where Muslims could make sharia the dominant form of law in Australia.

“The system is always going to fail if it is not Allah’s,” Mr Ousayd said.  “We want to get to a position where Muslims have power (so that) we can implement more of the (way) in sharia.”

Radical preachers and extremist organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir have attacked Australia’s democracy and The Muslim Vote campaign, calling it a “shirk” and an insult to Allah, at sermons in southwest Sydney, the geographical heart of a community-led Muslim political movement.

Abu Ousayd, also known as Wissam Haddad, and Hizb ut-Tahrir’s Australian branch took to pulpits in Sydney’s Canterbury-Bankstown area on Friday to call Muslims in parliament “apostates” and order their followers to boycott elections.

They also criticised the Muslim Vote’s leadership for its historical deradicalisation efforts and current political participation, with Mr Ousayd signalling he wanted an ­alternative route to power where Muslims could make sharia the dominant form of law in Australia.

“The system is always going to fail if it is not Allah’s,” Mr Ousayd said. “We want to get to a position where Muslims have power (so that) we can implement more of the (way) in sharia.”

Prominent Hizb ut-Tahrir member Wassim Doureihi told his own audience on Friday that it was “not conspiratorial” to suggest that mainstream leaders who led counter-extremist efforts during the height of ISIS – an effort he criticised – were democracy’s biggest supporters.

At Hizb ut-Tahrir’s headquarters in the electorate of Workplace Relations Minister Tony Burke, Mr Doureihi slammed politicians as “criminals in suits” and called Muslim senator Fatima Payman the “white man’s Orientalist fantasy”.

“(The senator’s) experience has shown us that engaging in the political process is not an option for (the community),” he said, claiming Muslims would be at an “inevitable loss” if they took part.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is recognised as a terrorist organisation in Britain and Germany, although the Albanese government has resisted calls to do the same in Australia.

It comes amid – and stands in contrast to – The Muslim Vote, a community campaign spearheaded by respected Sheik Wesam Charkawi to oust Labor ministers across southwest Sydney and elect pro-Palestine independent candidates.

Senator Payman is not associated with any group or political ­alliance, including The Muslim Vote, and has previously said she would be an independent voice for Western Australia as a crossbencher after abandoning Labor over Palestine.

The Australian revealed how the Muslim Vote campaign had struggled to cement candidates it would endorse in target seats, but last week it ran two volunteer workshops, telling supporters that after a year of preparation it was “ready to launch”.

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“Every four years they come to us with a new magic trick to convince you to take part in the shirk of democracy,” Mr Ousayd said.  “Sharia (law) is the greatest … there is no need for it to be changed or compromised.”

On Friday, Mr Ousayd – who has boasted of his friendship with men who fought for ISIS – said democracy “opposed Allah”. “If (a Muslim) enters parliament and is sworn in … they ­become apostates,” he said.  “Prime ministers are false gods … (we should) not join and not vote.”

Hizb ut-Tahrir have re-emerged into the public sphere after the October 7 attacks in Israel, notably as part of pro-Palestine university camps.

Mr Doureihi’s rejection of democracy aligns with Hizb ut-Tahrir’s, which released a statement claiming Muslim participation in recent British and upcoming American elections would give those systems false legitimacy.

But it stands in contrast to other Hizb ut-Tahrir supporters, including its regular speaker Sheik Ibrahim Dadoun, who called October 7 a day of “victory” and has expressed his support for The Muslim Vote.

Group activist Mohammad ­Alwahwah told a Lakemba crowd last month that great mass movements never came at the ballot box. “(Large) movements were never gained by voting … (but) through mass movement of ­people on the ground,” he said.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/false-gods-preaching-against-ou...


Yes, this is the fundamentalist arm of Islam, of which Payman is not a part, since she IS a democratic politician - despised by the likes of Mr. Ousayd quoted above.
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #302 - Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:06am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:09pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 1:46pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 4:39pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 3:41pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 3:20pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 12:55am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16th, 2024 at 2:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

 
See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.



Yeah - but it's like Muslim native title ... it's all open to interpretation,


The point is Payman is not into "rape and pillage" - as blindly asserted by FD (who says Muslims rape and pillage Jews as a matter of course, nothing to do with a fundamentalist reading of the Koran). 

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Why does Israel have such a problem with them? 


Because the UN stuffed-up its recognition of Israel, without recognizing Palestine at the same time, as per the UN's own resolution 181, in 1947.


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Would that such integrity were still the norm in this day and age..... look at what we've got to offer ..... Jesus wept....


Note that the US and Canada refused entry for a ship carrying Jewish refugees from Germany, in 1938.

Now the US is oppressing Palestinians by refusing to recognize Palestine, and end the illegal Israeli occupation  of the WB.

As for your 'native title' obsession, I explained the error which blind, unreasoning  attachment to individual cultures leads to - which you brushed aside as 'political rhetoric', thereby confirming your mental incompetence. 

If the UN voted to partition Muslim land to create a Jewish state, justice demands it should also have  created the other state (in the Partition)  for Muslims.



So supporting those who are into rape and pillage is not being into rape and pillage yourself..... a fine line...


Oh.. graps - I will persist with exposing your errors despite your mental incomptence:

So:  extremists (fundamentalists) who rape and pillage, believing they are defending the One True God by driving Jews out of Muslim Palestine;  versus myself who is not into rape and  pillage - where is the "fine line"?

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It wasn't Muslim land other than by invasion...


In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

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Independent Gaza is just the worst example of what they've done to themselves...


After the stuffed-up UN recognition of Israel in 1947; Gaza should have been/was intended to be  part of the Palestinian state. 

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If Payman doesn't like it - there's the door.... she's had her chance and by the same behaviour, has blown it for herself and all the others now.


Payman and 150 member nations of the UN recognize Palestine; Oz and the US don't.

Why not? 


Grin Yeah ... & how many of them are undemocratic Muslim States?

The UN is stacked with them. Anti Israel & Jews.


Plus Norway, Spain and Ireland...

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The Israelis have every right to be where they are.


No they don't,  Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside  a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.



So why didn't the Palestinians declare a state in 1948, like the Jews did, as per the UN partition plan??

Do explain.


Because the Palestinians - and the Arab world - objected to the confiscation of Muslim land to create Israel.

As explained by fundamentalist Bin Laden many decades later,  as one of his chief disputes with the West.

Of course the Jews claimed sovereignty of half of Palestine, but the UN should never have recognized the Jewish claim, UNTIL the UN was also in a position to  proclaim Palestinian sovereignty as per UN 181.
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #303 - Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:15am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:06am:
Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:09pm:
No they don't,  Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside  a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.



So why didn't the Palestinians declare a state in 1948, like the Jews did, as per the UN partition plan??

Do explain.


Because the Palestinians - and the Arab world - objected to the confiscation of Muslim land to create Israel.

As explained by fundamentalist Bin Laden many decades later,  as one of his chief disputes with the West.

Of course the Jews claimed sovereignty of half of Palestine, but the UN should never have recognized the Jewish claim, UNTIL the UN was also in a position to  proclaim Palestinian sovereignty as per UN 181.



So Israel has the right to exist as per UN partition plan - except the Arabs don't actually have to accept the UN ppartition plan because the UN has no right to HAVE a partitiin plan. So Israel has no right to exist, as per your UN partition plan, because the UN partition plan doesn't apply to the arabs who do not accept the legitimacy of the UN partition plan. So international law and the UN be damned by Allah.

Your 'logic' here is as stupid as twisted as we have come to expect from you, parrot. You are simultameous FOR and AGAINST the UN partition plan, as long as Israel's existence can be made illegit. That's the main objective. The UN is bindng for the Jews, illegitimate for the Arabs.

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Reply #304 - Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:44am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:15am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:06am:
Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:09pm:
No they don't,  Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside  a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.



So why didn't the Palestinians declare a state in 1948, like the Jews did, as per the UN partition plan??

Do explain.


Because the Palestinians - and the Arab world - objected to the confiscation of Muslim land to create Israel.

As explained by fundamentalist Bin Laden many decades later,  as one of his chief disputes with the West.

Of course the Jews claimed sovereignty of half of Palestine, but the UN should never have recognized the Jewish claim, UNTIL the UN was also in a position to  proclaim Palestinian sovereignty as per UN 181.



So Israel has the right to exist as per UN partition plan - except the Arabs don't actually have to accept the UN ppartition plan because the UN has no right to HAVE a partitiin plan.


See how your blind ideology and contempt for internatinal law cripples your powers of reasoning.


Israel would never have been created EXCEPT for the vote on the UN partition plan which included the Palestinian state.

Therefore, if Israel was to be recognized by the UN, then Palestine should have been recognized at the same time - but war between Israel and the Arab states intervened, because of a gross failure of international law under the UN system. 

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So Israel has no right to exist, as per your UN partition plan, because the UN partition plan doesn't apply to the arabs who do not accept the legitimacy of the UN partition plan. So international law and the UN be damned by Allah.


Your error: the UN partition plan DOES apply to the Arabs - that's what international law is. The problem lies in the fact the UN can't defend international law

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Your 'logic' here is as stupid as twisted as we have come to expect from you, parrot. You are simultameous FOR and AGAINST the UN partition plan, as long as Israel's existence can be made illegit. That's the main objective. The UN is bindng for the Jews, illegitimate for the Arabs.


Explained and refuted above.
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Reply #305 - Jul 24th, 2024 at 12:51pm
 
Release the Germans!!

When the UN makes an arbitrary decision contrary to the facts, their decision is flawed and if considered 'law' thus creates a wrongful law.  They have no right of enforcement anyway - they could always send the peelers.

Better still the legislators could always go to Gaza and explain it to the front line combatants.

Getchu head outchu ass, boy............ go - tell it to the Israelis who lost family ....

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Reply #306 - Jul 24th, 2024 at 12:56pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:44am:
Frank wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:15am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:06am:
Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:09pm:
No they don't,  Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside  a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.



So why didn't the Palestinians declare a state in 1948, like the Jews did, as per the UN partition plan??

Do explain.


Because the Palestinians - and the Arab world - objected to the confiscation of Muslim land to create Israel.

As explained by fundamentalist Bin Laden many decades later,  as one of his chief disputes with the West.

Of course the Jews claimed sovereignty of half of Palestine, but the UN should never have recognized the Jewish claim, UNTIL the UN was also in a position to  proclaim Palestinian sovereignty as per UN 181.



So Israel has the right to exist as per UN partition plan - except the Arabs don't actually have to accept the UN ppartition plan because the UN has no right to HAVE a partitiin plan.


See how your blind ideology and contempt for internatinal law cripples your powers of reasoning.


Israel would never have been created EXCEPT for the vote on the UN partition plan which included the Palestinian state.

Therefore, if Israel was to be recognized by the UN, then Palestine should have been recognized at the same time - but war between Israel and the Arab states intervened, because of a gross failure of international law under the UN system. 

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So Israel has no right to exist, as per your UN partition plan, because the UN partition plan doesn't apply to the arabs who do not accept the legitimacy of the UN partition plan. So international law and the UN be damned by Allah.


Your error: the UN partition plan DOES apply to the Arabs - that's what international law is. The problem lies in the fact the UN can't defend international law

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Your 'logic' here is as stupid as twisted as we have come to expect from you, parrot. You are simultameous FOR and AGAINST the UN partition plan, as long as Israel's existence can be made illegit. That's the main objective. The UN is bindng for the Jews, illegitimate for the Arabs.


Explained and refuted above.


So why didn't the Arabs accept the UN partition plan?
Why does an Arab state have the right to exist under the UN plan - or to reject the plan- , but a Jewish state cannot accept it?

You make no sense, parrot. International rules - ie UN partition plan in this case - applies to everyone or it's a useless whistling in the dark. The Arab response to the UN partition plan was to start a war against the party that accepted the UN plan.

And again on 7 October, they started another war, the 7th or 8th since 1948. Have the Palestinians done anything constructive since 1948? No.
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Reply #307 - Jul 25th, 2024 at 12:25pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:44am:
Frank wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:15am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 11:06am:
Frank wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:09pm:
No they don't,  Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside  a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.



So why didn't the Palestinians declare a state in 1948, like the Jews did, as per the UN partition plan??

Do explain.


Because the Palestinians - and the Arab world - objected to the confiscation of Muslim land to create Israel.

As explained by fundamentalist Bin Laden many decades later,  as one of his chief disputes with the West.

Of course the Jews claimed sovereignty of half of Palestine, but the UN should never have recognized the Jewish claim, UNTIL the UN was also in a position to  proclaim Palestinian sovereignty as per UN 181.



So Israel has the right to exist as per UN partition plan - except the Arabs don't actually have to accept the UN ppartition plan because the UN has no right to HAVE a partitiin plan.


See how your blind ideology and contempt for internatinal law cripples your powers of reasoning.


Israel would never have been created EXCEPT for the vote on the UN partition plan which included the Palestinian state.

Therefore, if Israel was to be recognized by the UN, then Palestine should have been recognized at the same time - but war between Israel and the Arab states intervened, because of a gross failure of international law under the UN system. 

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So Israel has no right to exist, as per your UN partition plan, because the UN partition plan doesn't apply to the arabs who do not accept the legitimacy of the UN partition plan. So international law and the UN be damned by Allah.


Your error: the UN partition plan DOES apply to the Arabs - that's what international law is. The problem lies in the fact the UN can't defend international law

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Your 'logic' here is as stupid as twisted as we have come to expect from you, parrot. You are simultameous FOR and AGAINST the UN partition plan, as long as Israel's existence can be made illegit. That's the main objective. The UN is bindng for the Jews, illegitimate for the Arabs.


Explained and refuted above.


So why didn't the Arabs accept the UN partition plan?


Because the the Plan involved the confiscation of half of Muslim Palestine - land which Lawrence had promised to the Arabs 30 years previoulsy (during the WW1 struggle against the Ottomans) 

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Why does an Arab state have the right to exist under the UN plan - or to reject the plan- , but a Jewish state cannot accept it?


Note: Isreal is the only state created by a UN vote.

Now you are talking about "rights"  which UN member states are not entitled to ignore;  and under the UN system - to which all nations are signed up - UN resolutions, adjudicated by the UN's  top court, the ICJ,  determines international law.

Currently, Netanyahu is claiming he is not subject to international law - he's an international outlaw; but Israel would not exist except for the UN PPP vote.   

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International rules - ie UN partition plan in this case - applies to everyone or it's a useless whistling in the dark. The Arab response to the UN partition plan was to start a war against the party that accepted the UN plan.


Correct: and Truman knew war would immediately follow recognition of Israel, but he recogonized Israel anyway (Britain abstained).

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And again on 7 October, they started another war, the 7th or 8th since 1948. Have the Palestinians done anything constructive since 1948? No.


Correct: the UN wasn't able to implement its Plan, hence the ongoing war ever since. 

But now Netanyahu is turning Israel into a pariah state in the eyes of the world, since the latest ICJ ruling on the illegal Israeli occupation of the WB.

Even Oz is now sanctioning murderous settler "Promised Land" ideologues. 
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Reply #308 - Jul 25th, 2024 at 1:51pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 10:38am:
freediver wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 7:14pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:03pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2024 at 6:08pm:
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I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs


So what do you think she meant by what she said?


She, like me - and 3/4 of the UN member states -  wants recognition of Palestine NOW, and the illegal settler "Promised Land" ideologues bulldozed out of the WB NOW. 


How do you actually know what she wants? Because the CCP told you? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?

And why do you keep avoiding the question?


She resigned from the ALP BECAUSE the ALP hasn't recognized Palestine; do try to keep up.

And btw I answer ALL your inane questions, as you well know.


We were not talking about her stated reason for resigning. We were talking about what she wants. Or rather, you were.

How do you know what she wants? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?

And why are none of her cheerleaders prepared to offer an opinion on what she actually said?
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Reply #309 - Jul 25th, 2024 at 3:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2024 at 1:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 10:38am:
freediver wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 7:14pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:03pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2024 at 6:08pm:
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I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs


So what do you think she meant by what she said?


She, like me - and 3/4 of the UN member states -  wants recognition of Palestine NOW, and the illegal settler "Promised Land" ideologues bulldozed out of the WB NOW. 


How do you actually know what she wants? Because the CCP told you? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?

And why do you keep avoiding the question?


She resigned from the ALP BECAUSE the ALP hasn't recognized Palestine; do try to keep up.

And btw I answer ALL your inane questions, as you well know.


We were not talking about her stated reason for resigning. We were talking about what she wants. Or rather, you were.


As a good Moslem, she wants peaceful coexistence with Israel (unlike Bin Laden who objected to Israel's creation on Muslim lands).

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How do you know what she wants? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?


She told us what she wants.

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And why are none of her cheerleaders prepared to offer an opinion on what she actually said?


What did she "actually say"....?
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Reply #310 - Jul 25th, 2024 at 4:29pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 25th, 2024 at 3:26pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2024 at 1:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 10:38am:
freediver wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 7:14pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:03pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2024 at 6:08pm:
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I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs


So what do you think she meant by what she said?


She, like me - and 3/4 of the UN member states -  wants recognition of Palestine NOW, and the illegal settler "Promised Land" ideologues bulldozed out of the WB NOW. 


How do you actually know what she wants? Because the CCP told you? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?

And why do you keep avoiding the question?


She resigned from the ALP BECAUSE the ALP hasn't recognized Palestine; do try to keep up.

And btw I answer ALL your inane questions, as you well know.


We were not talking about her stated reason for resigning. We were talking about what she wants. Or rather, you were.


As a good Moslem, she wants peaceful coexistence with Israel (unlike Bin Laden who objected to Israel's creation on Muslim lands).

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How do you know what she wants? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?


She told us what she wants.

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And why are none of her cheerleaders prepared to offer an opinion on what she actually said?


What did she "actually say"....?


She said she would abide by caucus and party rules.  Roll Eyes
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She told us what she wants.


Is what she actually said anything like the words you put in her mouth?

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What did she "actually say"....?


from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free
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Reply #312 - Jul 26th, 2024 at 11:28am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 26th, 2024 at 10:58am:
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She told us what she wants.


Is what she actually said anything like the words you put in her mouth?


Yes.

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from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free


meaning, eg:

(google)

"In Britain, the Labour party issued a temporary punishment to a member of Parliament, Andy McDonald, for using the phrase during a rally at which he called for a stop to bombardment.

“We won’t rest until we have justice. Until all people, Israelis & Palestinians, between the river & the sea can live in peaceful liberty,” he tweeted.


Then he explained: “These words should not be construed in any other way than they were intended, namely as a heart felt plea for an end to killings in Israel, Gaza, and the occupied West Bank, and for all peoples in the region to live in freedom without the threat of violence.”


Whereas you defend  Netanyahu's illegal demand for an Israel extending 'from the river to the sea'.

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Reply #313 - Jul 26th, 2024 at 11:33am
 
Aquarius wrote on Jul 25th, 2024 at 4:29pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 25th, 2024 at 3:26pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2024 at 1:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24th, 2024 at 10:38am:
freediver wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 7:14pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:03pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 22nd, 2024 at 6:08pm:
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I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs


So what do you think she meant by what she said?


She, like me - and 3/4 of the UN member states -  wants recognition of Palestine NOW, and the illegal settler "Promised Land" ideologues bulldozed out of the WB NOW. 


How do you actually know what she wants? Because the CCP told you? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?

And why do you keep avoiding the question?


She resigned from the ALP BECAUSE the ALP hasn't recognized Palestine; do try to keep up.

And btw I answer ALL your inane questions, as you well know.


We were not talking about her stated reason for resigning. We were talking about what she wants. Or rather, you were.


As a good Moslem, she wants peaceful coexistence with Israel (unlike Bin Laden who objected to Israel's creation on Muslim lands).

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How do you know what she wants? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?


She told us what she wants.

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And why are none of her cheerleaders prepared to offer an opinion on what she actually said?


What did she "actually say"....?


She said she would abide by caucus and party rules.  Roll Eyes


Until she saw the ALP is complicit in the ongoing war, which should be stopped today, under the auspices of the UNSC.

But the US jewish lobby and RW Christian fundamentalists  expecting Christ's return  have ensured US complicity in the endless war, via the US's  UNSC veto.
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #314 - Jul 26th, 2024 at 1:59pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 4:09pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 23rd, 2024 at 1:46pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 4:39pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 3:41pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19th, 2024 at 3:20pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 12:55am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16th, 2024 at 2:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

 
See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.



Yeah - but it's like Muslim native title ... it's all open to interpretation,


The point is Payman is not into "rape and pillage" - as blindly asserted by FD (who says Muslims rape and pillage Jews as a matter of course, nothing to do with a fundamentalist reading of the Koran). 

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Why does Israel have such a problem with them? 


Because the UN stuffed-up its recognition of Israel, without recognizing Palestine at the same time, as per the UN's own resolution 181, in 1947.


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Would that such integrity were still the norm in this day and age..... look at what we've got to offer ..... Jesus wept....


Note that the US and Canada refused entry for a ship carrying Jewish refugees from Germany, in 1938.

Now the US is oppressing Palestinians by refusing to recognize Palestine, and end the illegal Israeli occupation  of the WB.

As for your 'native title' obsession, I explained the error which blind, unreasoning  attachment to individual cultures leads to - which you brushed aside as 'political rhetoric', thereby confirming your mental incompetence. 

If the UN voted to partition Muslim land to create a Jewish state, justice demands it should also have  created the other state (in the Partition)  for Muslims.



So supporting those who are into rape and pillage is not being into rape and pillage yourself..... a fine line...


Oh.. graps - I will persist with exposing your errors despite your mental incomptence:

So:  extremists (fundamentalists) who rape and pillage, believing they are defending the One True God by driving Jews out of Muslim Palestine;  versus myself who is not into rape and  pillage - where is the "fine line"?

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It wasn't Muslim land other than by invasion...


In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

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Independent Gaza is just the worst example of what they've done to themselves...


After the stuffed-up UN recognition of Israel in 1947; Gaza should have been/was intended to be  part of the Palestinian state. 

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If Payman doesn't like it - there's the door.... she's had her chance and by the same behaviour, has blown it for herself and all the others now.


Payman and 150 member nations of the UN recognize Palestine; Oz and the US don't.

Why not? 


Grin Yeah ... & how many of them are undemocratic Muslim States?

The UN is stacked with them. Anti Israel & Jews.


Plus Norway, Spain and Ireland...

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The Israelis have every right to be where they are.


No they don't,  Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside  a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.


I beg to differ. They were there nearly 500 years before Islam existed.

https://www.ajc.org/news/5-facts-about-the-jewish-peoples-ancestral-connection-t...

https://bje.org.au/knowledge-centre/israel/history/historical-presence/

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