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Reply #15 - May 25^th, 2024 at 9:44pm

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

It hasn't achieved it YET. Not all hostages are returned, not all Hamas terrorists are killed.

And they likely never will be. Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now?

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Reply #16 - May 25^th, 2024 at 10:08pm

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

It hasn't achieved it YET. Not all hostages are returned, not all Hamas terrorists are killed.

I keep hearing mutterings when some talk about it within earshot “Just return the hostages!”
I queried “Do you really think any of them are alive?”
And I get answered that the bodies should be returned.

As much as I intensely dislike the way many innocents in Gaza are killed because of Hamas for the act of of wanting hostages returned…and I’ve outwardly spoken against it and felt orders for Israel army were OTT
I actually thought how about that… how Israel’s PM has shown how he’s for his people…
What would our PM do for any of us? Or our families if some of us were captured as hostages?
SFA me thinks.

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Reply #17 - May 26^th, 2024 at 12:03am

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Hamas broke ceasefire from previous war on Oct 7th.
How many wars has Hamas started with Israel?

They haven't achieved their goals yet a bit premature to say Hamas has been defeated.

There is no similarity between Nazis and Israel.

Listen to Palestinians talk about this conflict and see if you can figure out what motivates them. Is this what leftists support?

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Reply #18 - May 26^th, 2024 at 12:08am

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

And they likely never will be. Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now?

Oh, yeah ... compared to this Munich was a picnic lunch .... won't harm 'em - they'll get to meet Allah in person... be told how wonderful they were for upholding the faith etc ... no big deal.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: Israel/Hamas Reply #19 - May 26^th, 2024 at 10:18am Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:44pm: Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now? The Israelis don't need a list. Their ultimate objective is to end Gaza, whether they incidentally wipe out Hamas in Gaza or not.
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Reply #20 - May 26^th, 2024 at 11:39am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 10:18am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now?

The Israelis don't need a list. Their ultimate objective is to end Gaza, whether they incidentally wipe out Hamas in Gaza or not.

Oh, I see, so you reckon they are being sneaky, deceptive, lying arseholes?

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Reply #21 - May 26^th, 2024 at 12:17pm

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 10:18am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now?

The Israelis don't need a list. Their ultimate objective is to end Gaza, whether they incidentally wipe out Hamas in Gaza or not.

Oh, I see, so you reckon they are being sneaky, deceptive, lying arseholes?

Aahh… now here’s the thing…(the part that totally befuddles me)… that “all’s fair in love and war” Huh

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: Israel/Hamas Reply #22 - May 26^th, 2024 at 12:40pm The Israelis intend to end Gaza and they have the covert approval of the Arab states to do it.
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Reply #23 - May 26^th, 2024 at 2:50pm

Sophia wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:17pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 10:18am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Do you really reckon Israel has an exact complete hit list of Hamas blokes they need to kill now?

The Israelis don't need a list. Their ultimate objective is to end Gaza, whether they incidentally wipe out Hamas in Gaza or not.

Oh, I see, so you reckon they are being sneaky, deceptive, lying arseholes?

Aahh… now here’s the thing…(the part that totally befuddles me)… that “all’s fair in love and war” Huh

Israel believes so. I say that once you have defeated your enemy, you stop the War. You do not go on and on and on and on, and while doing so, slaughter not only the already defeated, but civilians and then try to excuse it on the basis of "We will defend ourselves."

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39227 Gender:	Re: Israel/Hamas Reply #24 - May 26^th, 2024 at 2:51pm MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:40pm: The Israelis intend to end Gaza and they have the covert approval of the Arab states to do it. Links?
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Reply #25 - May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

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Reply #26 - May 27^th, 2024 at 9:53am

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:23pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

It hasn't achieved it YET. Not all hostages are returned, not all Hamas terrorists are killed.

Netanyahu doesn't want the hostages returned because he is using the hostages as a cause for committing genocide.

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Reply #27 - May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

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Reply #28 - May 27^th, 2024 at 1:08pm

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie?

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Reply #29 - May 27^th, 2024 at 1:23pm

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

Aussie wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:08am:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

Has Hamas surrendered?

Have they returned the hostages?

Don't be a half smart arse all your life.

Soooooo... where is your "having achieved that defeat", half-smart Arrsie?

There was a Japanese soldier left on some Island who never surrendered in WW2. That did not mean the US had to drop a third bomb on Japan.

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