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May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

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Reply #1 - May 25^th, 2024 at 6:08pm

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

A bit like the Warsaw Ghetto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto

The Warsaw Ghetto (German: Warschauer Ghetto, officially Jüdischer Wohnbezirk in Warschau, "Jewish Residential District in Warsaw"; Polish: getto warszawskie) was the largest of the Nazi ghettos during World War II and the Holocaust. It was established in November 1940 by the German authorities within the new General Government territory of occupied Poland. At its height, as many as 460,000 Jews were imprisoned there,[5] in an area of 3.4 km2 (1.3 sq mi), with an average of 9.2 persons per room.

The ghetto was almost entirely leveled during the Uprising;

however, a number of buildings and streets survived, mostly in the "small ghetto" area, which had been included into the Aryan part of the city in August 1942 and was not involved in the fighting.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143958 Gender:	Re: Israel/Hamas Reply #2 - May 25^th, 2024 at 6:10pm It's genocide, pure & simple. And the terrorist sympathisers on here defend it by using a childish argument: "Yeah, well, Hamas does bad things too. And anyway, they started it". How many dead babies and dead pregnant women in Gaza will make them happy?
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Reply #4 - May 25^th, 2024 at 6:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:10pm:

It's genocide, pure & simple.

And the terrorist sympathisers on here defend it by using a childish argument:

"Yeah, well, Hamas does bad things too. And anyway, they started it".

How many dead babies and dead pregnant women in Gaza will make them happy?

My OP was not directly about dead pregnant women or dead babies (though they are both very terribly appalling and Israel has to accept 100% responsibility for that) it is about what you do with a clearly defeated way outnumbered and outgunned enemy.

You cannot keep using the 'defence' excuse when you are truly trying to wipe out a defeated militia while doing so cost the lives of so many innocents.

Yes, Hamas could toss up a white flag and they haven't, but that does not mean you satisfy your blood lust under a cloak of initial righteousness, close in and slaughter the last at Little Big Horn. Sitting Bull got nowhere doing that. The white tide kept coming, as will the Palestinian one.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: Israel/Hamas Reply #5 - May 25^th, 2024 at 6:51pm Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:43pm: The white tide kept coming, as will the Palestinian one. When this is over, there will be no Gaza for the Palestinians to keep coming from.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Israel/Hamas Reply #6 - May 25^th, 2024 at 6:54pm If Israel has bombed the little place flat and after 7 months Hamas is re-grouping and fighting hard, then 'the tide' will keep coming. It's amazing that ammo comes in by tunnels from Egypt and can't be stopped. The US has the space cameras and Israel has missiles and Egypt blocks what it can.
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Reply #7 - May 25^th, 2024 at 7:01pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:51pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

The white tide kept coming, as will the Palestinian one.

When this is over, there will be no Gaza for the Palestinians to keep coming from.

Totally unrealistic. Just like there will always be Jews, Calathumpians, etc, there will always be Palastenians.

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Reply #8 - May 25^th, 2024 at 7:15pm

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:51pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

The white tide kept coming, as will the Palestinian one.

When this is over, there will be no Gaza for the Palestinians to keep coming from.

Totally unrealistic. Just like there will always be Jews, Calathumpians, etc, there will always be Palastenians.

There will be Palestinians... in refugee camps and as refugee-immigrants around the world.

There will be no Gaza.

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Reply #9 - May 25^th, 2024 at 7:20pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 7:15pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:51pm:

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:

The white tide kept coming, as will the Palestinian one.

When this is over, there will be no Gaza for the Palestinians to keep coming from.

Totally unrealistic. Just like there will always be Jews, Calathumpians, etc, there will always be Palastenians.

There will be Palestinians... in refugee camps and as refugee-immigrants around the world.

There will be no Gaza.

Just as there was no Israel, until the West created it.

But that is beside my OP point.

Is it okay to execute the few defeated who do not surrender, Little Big Horn like.

What will be achieved??

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Israel/Hamas Reply #10 - May 25^th, 2024 at 7:44pm Israel was created with acts of terrorism and genocide. Jews murdered the first UN peace envoy in 1948. Israel killed many UK military, police, and officials. The first leaders of Israel were terrorists. Israel murdered Yasser Arafat.
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Reply #11 - May 25^th, 2024 at 7:49pm

Jews were the first Middle East terrorists. Now Israel's a terrorist state.

Israel was created with acts of terrorism and genocide. Jews murdered the first UN peace envoy in 1948.

Israel killed many UK military, police, and officials in the King David Hotel bombing and other acts of terrorism.

The first leaders of Israel were terrorists.

Israel murdered Yasser Arafat.

Quote:

"On 17th September 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte, a United Nations Mediator for Palestine, was murdered in Jerusalem by a Zionist militant organization. Count Bernadotte's presence in Palestine followed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and the subsequent unilateral Israeli Declaration of Independence."

Quote:

"King David Hotel bombing

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
King David Hotel bombing
Part of the Jewish insurgency in Palestine

The hotel after the bombing
Location Jerusalem, Mandatory Palestine
Date July 22, 1946
12:37 pm (UTC+2)

Deaths 91
Injured 46
Perpetrators Irgun

Motive Destruction of evidence, Jewish extremism
The British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine, housed in the southern wing[1] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, were bombed in a terrorist attack[2][3] on July 22, 1946, by the militant right-wing[4] Zionist underground organization Irgun during the Jewish insurgency.[5][6][7] 91 people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured.[8]"

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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #12 - May 25^th, 2024 at 8:00pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 7:49pm:

Jews were the first Middle East terrorists. Now Israel's a terrorist state.

Israel was created with acts of terrorism and genocide. Jews murdered the first UN peace envoy in 1948.

Israel killed many UK military, police, and officials in the King David Hotel bombing and other acts of terrorism.

The first leaders of Israel were terrorists.

Israel murdered Yasser Arafat.

Quote:

"On 17th September 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte, a United Nations Mediator for Palestine, was murdered in Jerusalem by a Zionist militant organization. Count Bernadotte's presence in Palestine followed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and the subsequent unilateral Israeli Declaration of Independence."

Quote:

"King David Hotel bombing

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
King David Hotel bombing
Part of the Jewish insurgency in Palestine

The hotel after the bombing
Location Jerusalem, Mandatory Palestine
Date July 22, 1946
12:37 pm (UTC+2)

Deaths 91
Injured 46
Perpetrators Irgun

Motive Destruction of evidence, Jewish extremism
The British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine, housed in the southern wing[1] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, were bombed in a terrorist attack[2][3] on July 22, 1946, by the militant right-wing[4] Zionist underground organization Irgun during the Jewish insurgency.[5][6][7] 91 people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured.[8]"

And NONE of that has SFA to do with this Thread, no matter how truthful or otherwise it might be.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 87687 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Israel/Hamas Reply #13 - May 25^th, 2024 at 8:13pm MeisterEckhart wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:38pm: Israel intends to end Gaza such that there will never be another attack from the territory. After that Hamas atrocity nobody can blame them...... Hamas must never rise again.
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Re: Israel/Hamas
Reply #14 - May 25^th, 2024 at 9:23pm

Aussie wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

Yep, Hamas attacked on October 7. Yes, Israel has very right to defend itself. It has every right to defeat its enemies.

But......

Having achieved that defeat, it does not have the right to then go on and slaughter the militarily defeated.

The similarity between Nazis slaughtering helpless Jews and Jews in Israel slaughtering helpless Hamas cannot be ignored.

It hasn't achieved it YET. Not all hostages are returned, not all Hamas terrorists are killed.

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