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Reply #165 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 2:51pm:

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2024 at 8:00am:

John Smith wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 9:29pm:

John Smith wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 9:21pm:

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2024 at 9:17pm:

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I thought it was a pretty easy statement to follow. What part of 'all dogs are required to be secured' are you struggling with fd?

The secured part. I have never had a dog that couldn't get out if it wanted to. How would you secure a farm dog?

Then you shouldn't be allowed to own dogs. I've never had a dog that could roam the neighbourhood whenever it wanted to. They were always secured in a yard.

As in, not physically capable of escaping?

How do you do that with a farm dog?

Fences. How else do you secure dogs.

Around the entire farm?

why? is there some law that says you can't fence of part of your farm that I am unaware of?

So you think farmers are legally required to fence of part of their farm for their farm dogs to work in?

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And none of them were trained to kill birds either

You made that up, remember?

How do you know she was training it to kill birds?

What makes you think training a dog to hunt pheasant would cause it to kill chickens? Anyone with an ounce of common sense would realise it would have done the opposite.

How do you know it had to be dragged into the gravel pit?

Do you think shooting a dog in the head is more cruel than dropping it off at the nearest pound?

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Re: Kristi Noem = Sociopath
Reply #166 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:10am

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am:

So you think farmers are legally required to fence of part of their farm for their farm dogs to work in?

no, I think farmers are legally required to make sure their animals don't encroach or attack their neighbours. How you do it is your business. And the dog wasn't working when it attacked the neighbours chickens so you can stop pretending

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am:

You made that up, remember?

no, you specifically said 'none of them were trained'.

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am:

How do you know she was training it to kill birds?

already answered that one. Your selective memeory loss isn't going to help you.

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am:

How do you know it had to be dragged into the gravel pit?

i didn't say it was

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am:

Do you think shooting a dog in the head is more cruel than dropping it off at the nearest pound?

absolutely

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Reply #167 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:30am

This is just for FD, because he's too stupid to figure it out from himself, an extract from her book. You can thank me later.

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In the book, Noem, who has been discussed as a possible running mate for former President Trump, describes growing angry with the nearly 14-month-old “Cricket,” a wirehaired pointer, during a hunting trip.

Noem shot the dog after taking it on a pheasant hunt.
She writes that she had taken Cricket on the hunt hoping she would learn from older dogs, but that instead the younger dog ruined the hunt by “chasing all those birds and having the time of her life,” per the Guardian.
On the way home, the dog escaped her truck and attacked a local family’s chickens, “grabb[ing] one chicken at a time, crunching it to death with one bite, then dropping it to attack another,” Noem wrote.
When Noem tried to grab the dog, she wrote that it whipped around to bite her. Noem said she wrote the family a check for their chickens and helped them dispose of the carcasses “littering the scene of the crime.”
“I hated that dog,” she wrote, adding that Cricket was untrainable, dangerous and worthless as a hunting dog.
“At that moment,” Noem wrote, “I realized I had to put her down.”

She then led Cricket to a gravel pit on her property and shot it, writing it was “not a pleasant job” but it “had to be done.”
Noem wrote that she also then killed a “nasty and mean” male goat that smelled and liked to chase her children. Because it jumped when she first shot at the goat, she needed two shots to “put him down.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4623848-kristi-noem-describes-killing-d...

The goat tried to bite her to, right? Cheesy

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Reply #168 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:43am

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:10am:

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am:

So you think farmers are legally required to fence of part of their farm for their farm dogs to work in?

no, I think farmers are legally required to make sure their animals don't encroach or attack their neighbours. How you do it is your business. And the dog wasn't working when it attacked the neighbours chickens so you can stop pretending

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am:

You made that up, remember?

no, you specifically said 'none of them were trained'.

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am:

How do you know she was training it to kill birds?

already answered that one. Your selective memeory loss isn't going to help you.

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am:

How do you know it had to be dragged into the gravel pit?

i didn't say it was

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 6:28am:

Do you think shooting a dog in the head is more cruel than dropping it off at the nearest pound?

absolutely

You produced a quote saying the dog needed to be trained. That does not mean it was trained. It certainly doesn't mean it was trained to kill birds.

How much stress or pain do you think a dog experiences if it gets shot in the head by its owner? How much if it gets sent off to the pound to die?

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no, I think farmers are legally required to make sure their animals don't encroach or attack their neighbours

You said all dogs were legally required to be secured so it is not physically possible for them to escape. Have you finally realised how stupid that claim was?

Have you ever seen a dog go on a killing spree like Noem's did?

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Reply #169 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:49am

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:30am:

This is just for FD, because he's too stupid to figure it out from himself, an extract from her book. You can thank me later.

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In the book, Noem, who has been discussed as a possible running mate for former President Trump, describes growing angry with the nearly 14-month-old “Cricket,” a wirehaired pointer, during a hunting trip.

Noem shot the dog after taking it on a pheasant hunt.
She writes that she had taken Cricket on the hunt hoping she would learn from older dogs, but that instead the younger dog ruined the hunt by “chasing all those birds and having the time of her life,” per the Guardian.
On the way home, the dog escaped her truck and attacked a local family’s chickens, “grabb[ing] one chicken at a time, crunching it to death with one bite, then dropping it to attack another,” Noem wrote.
When Noem tried to grab the dog, she wrote that it whipped around to bite her. Noem said she wrote the family a check for their chickens and helped them dispose of the carcasses “littering the scene of the crime.”
“I hated that dog,” she wrote, adding that Cricket was untrainable, dangerous and worthless as a hunting dog.
“At that moment,” Noem wrote, “I realized I had to put her down.”

She then led Cricket to a gravel pit on her property and shot it, writing it was “not a pleasant job” but it “had to be done.”
Noem wrote that she also then killed a “nasty and mean” male goat that smelled and liked to chase her children. Because it jumped when she first shot at the goat, she needed two shots to “put him down.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4623848-kristi-noem-describes-killing-d...

The goat tried to bite her to, right? Cheesy

Are you trying to be one of Trump's useful idiots?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/02/kristi-noem-response-dog-killing

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Noem describes killing Cricket in a gravel pit, then deciding to do the same to the goat because it was “nasty and mean”, smelled “disgusting, musky, rancid”, and “loved to chase” Noem’s children, knocking them down and spoiling their clothes.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77090 Gender:	Re: Kristi Noem = Sociopath Reply #170 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 8:30am freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:49am: Are you trying to be one of Trump's useful idiots? and take your place? No thanks.
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Re: Kristi Noem = Sociopath
Reply #172 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 8:41am

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:43am:

You produced a quote saying the dog needed to be trained

I produced a quote saying she was training the dog to go after birds. Obviously it wasn't trained or it wouldn't have killed her neighbours chickens.

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:43am:

How much stress or pain do you think a dog experiences if it gets shot in the head by its owner?

depends on how she did it, doesn't it. Did it sound to you like she was being rational? Cheesy

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:43am:

You said all dogs were legally required to be secured so it is not physically possible for them to escape.

yes. Thats the law. Like i said, people like you should not be allowed to own dogs.

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 7:43am:

Have you finally realised how stupid that claim was?

no, i've realised how stupid you are to think otherwise.

this is the law in NSW, al the other states have similar laws.
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Under the Act, dogs and cats must be identified and registered (Companion Animals Act 1998, Part 2 Compulsory identification and registration of companion animals). There are various restrictions on dogs and cats in public places and obligations to remove and dispose of faeces (Part 3 Responsibility for control of dogs and Part 4 Responsibility for control of cats). An owner must take all reasonable precautions to prevent a dog escaping from the property where it is kept (section 12A). Local councils can also make orders restricting the number of animals kept at premises (Local Government Act 1993, section 124).

You shouldn't be allowed to own a goldfish, let alone a dog given how oblivious you are to the legal requirements of owning dogs.

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Reply #173 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 8:48am

Let's not forget the goat.

Noem describes killing Cricket in a gravel pit, then deciding to do the same to the goat because it was “nasty and mean”, smelled “disgusting, musky, rancid”, and “loved to chase” Noem’s children, knocking them down and spoiling their clothes.

It took two shots – separated by a walk back to her truck to fetch more shotgun shells – to kill the goat, Noem writes.

Two shots Roll Eyes

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Reply #174 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 8:56am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 8:48am:

Let's not forget the goat.

Noem describes killing Cricket in a gravel pit, then deciding to do the same to the goat because it was “nasty and mean”, smelled “disgusting, musky, rancid”, and “loved to chase” Noem’s children, knocking them down and spoiling their clothes.

It took two shots – separated by a walk back to her truck to fetch more shotgun shells – to kill the goat, Noem writes.

Two shots Roll Eyes

FD thinks that was righteous too Cheesy

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Reply #175 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 9:01am

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 8:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 8:48am:

Let's not forget the goat.

Noem describes killing Cricket in a gravel pit, then deciding to do the same to the goat because it was “nasty and mean”, smelled “disgusting, musky, rancid”, and “loved to chase” Noem’s children, knocking them down and spoiling their clothes.

It took two shots – separated by a walk back to her truck to fetch more shotgun shells – to kill the goat, Noem writes.

Two shots Roll Eyes

FD thinks that was righteous too Cheesy

The goat was smelly and loved to chase children.

Well duh! That's what goats do.

And she didn't even give it a quick death - two shots, separated by a walk back to her truck.

She didn't run back to the truck, so that the goat suffered less, she walked.

How can anyone possibly support that sort of cruelty?

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77090 Gender:	Re: Kristi Noem = Sociopath Reply #176 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 2:13pm greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 9:01am: The goat was smelly and loved to chase children. and why does she allow her children in a paddock with the goats if she thinks the goats are dangerous?
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Reply #177 - May 3^rd, 2024 at 4:05pm

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 2:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2024 at 9:01am:

The goat was smelly and loved to chase children.

and why does she allow her children in a paddock with the goats if she thinks the goats are dangerous? Cheesy

None of what she says makes sense, and not a single person has corroborated her story.

She killed the animals alright (one dog, one goat, and three horses), but the rest of her story is bullshit.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77090 Gender:	Re: Kristi Noem = Sociopath Reply #179 - May 4^th, 2024 at 4:08pm Is fd still sulking ?
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