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Feb 2nd, 2024 at 11:22am
 
Looking for advanced trees.

European plums available:

Luisa
Primetime
Black Amber
Robe de Sargent
Santa Rosa


Louisa—Japanese plum


Quote:
This newly released self-fertile, yellow fleshed plum is exceptionally sweet and juicy. Distinctive elongated-heart shape. Having some disease resistance makes this cultivar easier to grow organically.

https://www.flemings.com.au/nurseries/luisa-pbr-plum.html

Quote:
PLUM Luisa
Prunus spp
One of NZ's most popular home garden plums, due to it's fantastic flavour, texture and productivity.   Luisa plums are distinctly shaped with a tear drop shape, with yellow skin and a pretty pink blush.  The fruit is sweet, firm textured and juicy.   A self fertile variety so will produce a heavy crop without cross pollination from another plum variety.   Ripens in January/February.

Take care when eating around the stone area of the fruit as it can have a small piece of stone/hard flesh.

Low Chill
Self Fertile
Yellow Flesh

https://www.waimeanurseries.co.nz/home-gardeners/products/fruit-trees/plums/plum...

This is not a low chill area! Not necessarily a huge problem but will leave Luisa out of consideration for now.


Primetime
Something about the name, too modern and commercial?

Quote:
Plum Primetime
Bagged Tree
Plum Primetime is a medium to large good flavoured plum. Skin is red to dark blue when fully mature with prominent lenticels. Flesh is yellow with some pinky-red colouration diffused throughout and becomes more red as fruit matures. Moderate juice. Firm, meaty flesh.

Tree grows to approximately 4 x 4 metres.

Pollination: Possibly ‘Santa Rosa’.

https://www.gardenexpress.com.au/product/plum-primetime/

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Plum Prime Time 305mm Pot

Dawsons Garden World
https://www.dawsonsgardenworld.com.au › product
primetime plum from www.dawsonsgardenworld.com.au
A Japanese plum. Red skin with yellow flesh. Some pinky-red colouring through the flesh, becoming more red with maturity. Good flavoured clingstone variety.

All descriptions are somewhat half hearted? “Good” just comes across as wishy washy.  “Clingstone” also not appealing, freestone more better.


Black Amber
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Prunus salicina 'Black Amber' Japanese Plum - One of the best Japanese plums. Bred by J.H.Weinerberger from Fresno, California (USA), in 1980. It is a midseason, heavy bearing plum producing medium to large, round or slightly flattened fruit of dark purple blue colour. The taste is very good, complex, balanced sweet and acid with dominant sweetness. The flesh is juicy, amber yellow and red closer to the stone, not adhered.


Pollination Group: cross pollinate with another Japanese plum.
Uses: eating, cooking
Harvest: February


https://www.heritagefruittrees.com.au/black-amber-japanese-plum/
Sounding good! NOT clingstone, ‘very good’ taste etc. Crosspollination something to be looked at later tho usually they say use another japanese plum so not a wide range of blossoming times it seems.

Heritage Fruit Trees again:
Quote:
partially self-fertile this variety will produce a better yield if planted with a pollination companion such as Plum 'Victoria'.

Victoria not listed as available in advanced stock. Not a real problem, don’t want 200Kg of plums anyway!


Robe de Sargent:
A European plum this one.
Quote:
Robe de Sergeant (sometimes spelt Robe de Sergent or Robe de Sargent) is one of the best tasting prune plums, very sweet and juicy. Fruit is medium sized roundish oval with deep purple to blackish colour and a thick grey bloom. The flesh is freestone, greenish-yellow, juicy, very sweet and highly flavoured and can be used for fresh fruit, drying and jam. 

Its habit is naturally upright, small and productive with willowing branches when laden with fruit.

Between 1880 and 1907 a young Frenchman, Felix Gillet, imported many new varieties of fruit and nut trees including Robe de Sergeant from Europe to California. Trees in that region now well over 100 years old are said to continue to this day to bear crops and who no signs of decline.

Pollination Group: Cross pollinate with another European plum
Uses: drying, eating
Harvest: mid-late summer


Sounds
promising!

Damn, REALLY liking this plum BUT want to make SURE I can get the right tree to pollinate it. Green Gage and Coe’s Golden Drop are both fantastic plums BUT they do NOT pollinate each other, Coe blossoming too late so it is EITHER Green Gage OR Coe’s Golden Drop (both of these are fantastic plums no use if they can’t pollinate each other. Info on plum pollination is a LOT harder to look up than for apples and pears!

Santa Rosa:
Quote:
Santa Rosa
Santa Rosa is the a red fleshed Japanese plum, with medium sized fruit and a deep red skin. A prolific bearer, self fertile and reliably pollinates other japanese plums. Widespread popular variety grown commercially, Bred by Luther Burbank in around 1906 USA.  Low Chill.

https://www.woodbridgefruittrees.com.au/plums/270-santa-rosa.html

No raves about the flavor here, note? I prefer more heritage varieties, bit more effort to grow but the reward is there in superb flavor!


One
STAND OUT
winner here, Robe de Sargent!

Black Amber also good bout would need another Japanese plum to pollinate it!

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Re: Looking for plum trees
Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2024 at 11:37am
 
More varieties are available—as dwarf, hmmm.

Best is to get the full sized version when buying a bare rooted tree. To illustrate, in George Town I had various pear trees with dwarfing rootstock and Green Horse perry pear trees (where are they?) on natural roots. The Green Horse thrived despite clay soil and lots of neglect! I even whipper snippered one accidentally and it grew back!

You don’t want a full sized tree in your yard? Dwarf, semi dwarf, full sized don’t look much different when fully grown. Some techniques to keep trees small despite rootstock:

1. Header cut. Plant your bare rooted tree which likely will be 1-2m tall. Get out your secateurs and cut it 45cm from the ground. DO IT! Anchor branches then form low on the trunk, keeping your tree small

2. Summer pruning for size: cut the trunk of your growing tree to keep it no more than 2m high. Espaliering is one technique that does this.

3. Close planting. Plant two–four trees of the same type of fruit e.g. apples or quince in the same hole with trees 45cm apart and root competition keeps the trees small—I don’t want 100Kg of quince, thanks! Pollination a cert with trees that close together!
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Re: Looking for plum trees
Reply #2 - Feb 2nd, 2024 at 11:53am
 
Dwarf plums:
Ruby blood
Narabeen
King Billy
Donsworth
President

Ruby blood:
Prunus salicina 'Narrabeen' is a Japanese plum that has big juicy round fruit with skin that is red over a yellow background. The sweet flesh is yellow/cream-coloured, freestone. Although the tree flowers very early the flowers tolerate frost.

Pollination Group: best with Santa Rosa, Satsuma, Mariposa
Uses: eating, cooking, stewing, bottling, preserving, jams
Harvest: mid i.e. January to February
Features: good crops
Size: 3m-4m wide x 3m tall approx.
Reference: Glowinski, L. (1991) The complete book of fruit growing in Australia. Lothian Publishing Company, Port Melbourne.
(Heritage Fruit Trees again)
No suitable advanced pollinator trees rules out Ruby blood


Narabeen
—same as for Narrabeen—useless  Cry


King Billy:
Nah.


Donsworth
Quote:
Prunus salicina 'Donsworth' Japanese Blood Plum - One of the blood plums, i.e. has blood red flesh. Medium sized fruit, dark red over mottled green skin. Sweet flavour and soft when fully ripe, fine textured, juicy.

Pollination Group: cross pollinate with another Japanese plum, esp. Satsuma, Mariposa
Uses: eating
Harvest: mid January
Features: Blood plum


Nah! I guess my first choice rules out Japanese plums


President
Quote:
Pollination
'Angelina', 'Coe's Golden Drop', 'Green Gage', Sugar Plum, 'd'Agen', 'Robe de Sergeant'.

Skin
Deep purple, heavy blue bloom.

Flesh
Yellow. Medium textured. Firm and juicy. Good keeper

Flavour
Sweet. Develops a good flavour if allowed to mature on the tree. Slightly acid skin.

https://www.flemings.com.au/nurseries/president-plum.html

Heritage Fruit Trees:
[quote]Fruits have juicy, sweet flesh with a pleasant flavour. An excellent cooker. European Plum 'President' was raised at Sawbridgeworth by Rivers and introduced in 1901. It was awarded the Award of Merit by the RHS in 1895 and a First Class Certificate in 1900.

Pollination: requires crossing with another European Plum
Uses: cooking and preserving
Harvest: later harvest, March
Size: 3m-4m wide x 3m tall approx.Fruits have juicy, sweet flesh with a pleasant flavour. An excellent cooker. European Plum 'President' was raised at Sawbridgeworth by Rivers and introduced in 1901. It was awarded the Award of Merit by the RHS in 1895 and a First Class Certificate in 1900.

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Re: Looking for plum trees
Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2024 at 11:56am
 
Apart from the prune none of the varieties appealed overly much. This is probably because advanced trees are barerooted trees that didn’t sell and so got potted.

Will keep the name of that plum (Robe de Sargent) in mind and buy it as a bareroot tree and make sure I get EITHER Coe’s golden Drop OR Green Gage for pollination. Then a self-fertile Japanese plum to go with that, perfect!
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Re: Looking for plum trees
Reply #4 - Feb 8th, 2024 at 8:57pm
 
Have worked out the plum trees to buy as bare rooted stock:

1. Robe de Sargent:

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Robe de Sergeant (sometimes spelt Robe de Sergent or Robe de Sargent) is one of the best tasting prune plums, very sweet and juicy. Fruit is medium sized roundish oval with deep purple to blackish colour and a thick grey bloom. The flesh is freestone, greenish-yellow, juicy, very sweet and highly flavoured and can be used for fresh fruit, drying and jam.

Its habit is naturally upright, small and productive with willowing branches when laden with fruit.

PG: 3
Uses: drying, eating
Harvest: mid-late summer



2. Greengage
PG3


Woodbridge Fruit Trees
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A small round greenish yellow plum with intense flavour (the Cox's Orange of the plums) tends to crop incredibly heavily and then has a year's rest. Great for stewing, eating and bottling.



Heritage Fruit Trees
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This is an ideal dessert plum having very juicy, tender sweet flesh with a rich flavour, yellow flesh.


https://www.heritagefruittrees.com.au/greengage-green-gage-european-plum/

Angelina Burdett
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It was first described in 1853. Fruits have firm, juicy, yellowish green flesh with a good flavour.


https://www.heritagefruittrees.com.au/angelina-burdett-european-plum/

The last not the greatest but in the same pollination group as the really nice ones. Pity couldn’t include Coe’s Golden Drop—it is PG2 and nothing interesting is available to cross pollinate it.

The really nice plum, Greengage, tends to bear every other year so the Angelina Burdett fills in the gaps in the off years.
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