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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #30 - Dec 25th, 2023 at 12:01am
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 12:08pm:
...How did the Justices err?
Were they wrong and if so, why?

If you even have to ask that question, it would
indicate that you have no real understanding of
the overturning of Roe v. Wade.  The ramifications
have already been witnessed in dozens of cases.

Trump's illegitimate loading of the Supreme Court
meant that the Republican-dominated court has
effectively denied the natural, civil rights of millions
of women across the US.

Nearly two dozen states have banned abortions or
severely restrict access on the basis of this Federal
law. Thirteen have "trigger laws" that ban abortion
almost immediately.

Additionally, pregnant women now face the risk of
prosecution for seeking to end pregnancies in states
where abortion is banned, and research has shown
that unwanted pregnancies have many harmful long-
term consequences for mothers, including a higher
chance of financial hardship and a severe toll on
mental health.

The US currently has the highest maternal mortality
rate of any developed country.   In total, more than
600 women die every year of pregnancy-related
complications
, with 60% of those deaths being
preventable by early termination.

[https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-maternal-deaths.htm]

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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #31 - Dec 25th, 2023 at 12:37am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:16pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 4:29pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 24th, 2023 at 7:45am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 7:59am:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 10:06pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 9:21pm:
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The ONLY thing the SCOTUS said in their recent judgement in the issue is that constitutionally, in a country that is made up of separate but united states, abortion is a matter for each of these states to legislate as THEY are the democratically constituted and elected authority to make such laws, NOT the the unelected SCOTUS to make laws for all of them.



Nothing to do with roe v wade ehh buffoon? When was the last time a woman risked jail for a miscarriage before the rethuglicans took the USA back to the stone age? Cheesy

The case you mention is not about jail for miscarriage, eyewateringly stupid, thick ****.



No, it was because doctors couldn't treat her properly for fear of repercussions from right wing nutjobs like you, so she got desperate.



From your op, thicko:

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investigated by police, led to the charge of abuse of a corpse, a felony punishable by up to a year in prison and a $US2,500 ($3,731)  fine.


The hospital staff was not charged for dithering and being unsure. Nobody was charged for unlawful abortion.



Leaving a 22 week old fetus in a bucket in a backyard would have attracted the same charge of abuse ofa corpse even before RvW was overturned by the SCOTUS and abortion law jurisdiction devolved back to the states.


For somebody who actually supports the right to abortion under certain conditions, Fwank's tapdancing his poor old heart away defending this one.

It's a tough job sticking up for Bible Belt laws like this one, but somebody's gotta do it, no?

After all, if you don't have a dream, you've gotta have a dream, then how are you going to make-a your dream come true?

No mindless groupthink here, leftards. Fwank no-speaka.

Happy talkie talkie, innit. 

Grimacing Paki bollocks, as usual.

You don't put a 22 week old fetus in the toilet or a bucket and go to have your hair done.
Straightening it, no doubt.  At least she wasn't bleach blonding it, what?


That should have been too white.

Colonialism and white supremacy is at play here somewhere.  Must be.








Just so. It's why you want a woman who had a miscarriage to cop a year in jail.

After she had her hair straightened, no less 

You're not sure what you find worse, old chap, the tintedness or the hair bleaching.

Still, the Superior Man doesn't notice skin colour, old boy. It means as much to him as eye or hair colour, what.

You never noticed, no?


You are very careful to tapdance around the actual issue, grimacing wee paki arse bandit. But then that is your allocated function.

You don't put a 22 week old fetus in the toilet or a bucket and go to have your hair done.


Speak to that, paki.  There's a couple of bananas in it for you.



This is a baby delivered at 22 weeks.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/06/13/TELEMMGLPICT000131704385...


Dead babies look a little different to that, old chap. Especially if they're tinted.

The SM has trained himself not to notice the colour of dead foetuses.

You?
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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #32 - Dec 25th, 2023 at 9:46am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 25th, 2023 at 12:01am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 12:08pm:
...How did the Justices err?
Were they wrong and if so, why?

If you even have to ask that question, it would
indicate that you have no real understanding of
the overturning of Roe v. Wade.  The ramifications
have already been witnessed in dozens of cases.

Trump's illegitimate loading of the Supreme Court
meant that the Republican-dominated court has
effectively denied the natural, civil rights of millions
of women across the US.

Nearly two dozen states have banned abortions or
severely restrict access on the basis of this Federal
law. Thirteen have "trigger laws" that ban abortion
almost immediately.

Additionally, pregnant women now face the risk of
prosecution for seeking to end pregnancies in states
where abortion is banned, and research has shown
that unwanted pregnancies have many harmful long-
term consequences for mothers, including a higher
chance of financial hardship and a severe toll on
mental health.

The US currently has the highest maternal mortality
rate of any developed country.   In total, more than
600 women die every year of pregnancy-related
complications
, with 60% of those deaths being
preventable by early termination.

[https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-maternal-deaths.htm]


All true, more or less, but it has nothing to do with the legitimacy or otherwise of the Courts decision.
If the Justices were right and abortion is a State issue then there is no argument.
Opponents need to show why it is not a State issue before condemning the Supreme Court’s ruling.
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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #33 - Dec 25th, 2023 at 4:47pm
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 25th, 2023 at 9:46am:
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 25th, 2023 at 12:01am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 12:08pm:
...How did the Justices err?
Were they wrong and if so, why?

If you even have to ask that question, it would
indicate that you have no real understanding of
the overturning of Roe v. Wade.  The ramifications
have already been witnessed in dozens of cases.

Trump's illegitimate loading of the Supreme Court
meant that the Republican-dominated court has
effectively denied the natural, civil rights of millions
of women across the US.

Nearly two dozen states have banned abortions or
severely restrict access on the basis of this Federal
law. Thirteen have "trigger laws" that ban abortion
almost immediately.

Additionally, pregnant women now face the risk of
prosecution for seeking to end pregnancies in states
where abortion is banned, and research has shown
that unwanted pregnancies have many harmful long-
term consequences for mothers, including a higher
chance of financial hardship and a severe toll on
mental health.

The US currently has the highest maternal mortality
rate of any developed country.   In total, more than
600 women die every year of pregnancy-related
complications
, with 60% of those deaths being
preventable by early termination.

[https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-maternal-deaths.htm]


All true, more or less, but it has nothing to do with the legitimacy or otherwise of the Courts decision.
If the Justices were right and abortion is a State issue then there is no argument.
Opponents need to show why it is not a State issue before condemning the Supreme Court’s ruling.


The right to individual privacy without govt interference. 
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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #34 - Dec 26th, 2023 at 12:26am
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 25th, 2023 at 9:46am:
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 25th, 2023 at 12:01am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 12:08pm:
...How did the Justices err?
Were they wrong and if so, why?

If you even have to ask that question, it would
indicate that you have no real understanding of
the overturning of Roe v. Wade.  The ramifications
have already been witnessed in dozens of cases.

Trump's illegitimate loading of the Supreme Court
meant that the Republican-dominated court has
effectively denied the natural, civil rights of millions
of women across the US.

Nearly two dozen states have banned abortions or
severely restrict access on the basis of this Federal
law. Thirteen have "trigger laws" that ban abortion
almost immediately.

Additionally, pregnant women now face the risk of
prosecution for seeking to end pregnancies in states
where abortion is banned, and research has shown
that unwanted pregnancies have many harmful long-
term consequences for mothers, including a higher
chance of financial hardship and a severe toll on
mental health.

The US currently has the highest maternal mortality
rate of any developed country.   In total, more than
600 women die every year of pregnancy-related
complications, with 60% of those deaths being
preventable by early termination.

[https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-maternal-deaths.htm]


All true, more or less, but it has nothing to do with the legitimacy or otherwise of the Courts decision.
If the Justices were right and abortion is a State issue then there is no argument.
Opponents need to show why it is not a State issue before condemning the Supreme Court’s ruling.

No, they don't.

The SCOTUS ruling to overturn Roe: 410 U.S. 113 (1973)
was a demonstrably erroneous one, as has been proved by
current scenarios of the desperation of women who're pregnant
urgently attempting to obtain terminations right across the US,
from states that prohibit it.

Do you really want to see the re-emergence of the
1960's backyard abortionists?  Or despairing pregnant
women trying to self-induce a spontaneous abortion
using all sorts of suspect, life-threatening means?

Unfortunately, your attitude is all too typical of far too many
smug, uninvolved males.


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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #35 - Dec 26th, 2023 at 4:33pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 12:26am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 25th, 2023 at 9:46am:
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 25th, 2023 at 12:01am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 21st, 2023 at 12:08pm:
...How did the Justices err?
Were they wrong and if so, why?

If you even have to ask that question, it would
indicate that you have no real understanding of
the overturning of Roe v. Wade.  The ramifications
have already been witnessed in dozens of cases.

Trump's illegitimate loading of the Supreme Court
meant that the Republican-dominated court has
effectively denied the natural, civil rights of millions
of women across the US.

Nearly two dozen states have banned abortions or
severely restrict access on the basis of this Federal
law. Thirteen have "trigger laws" that ban abortion
almost immediately.

Additionally, pregnant women now face the risk of
prosecution for seeking to end pregnancies in states
where abortion is banned, and research has shown
that unwanted pregnancies have many harmful long-
term consequences for mothers, including a higher
chance of financial hardship and a severe toll on
mental health.

The US currently has the highest maternal mortality
rate of any developed country.   In total, more than
600 women die every year of pregnancy-related
complications, with 60% of those deaths being
preventable by early termination.

[https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-maternal-deaths.htm]


All true, more or less, but it has nothing to do with the legitimacy or otherwise of the Courts decision.
If the Justices were right and abortion is a State issue then there is no argument.
Opponents need to show why it is not a State issue before condemning the Supreme Court’s ruling.

No, they don't.

The SCOTUS ruling to overturn Roe: 410 U.S. 113 (1973)
was a demonstrably erroneous one, as has been proved by
current scenarios of the desperation of women who're pregnant
urgently attempting to obtain terminations right across the US,
from states that prohibit it.

Do you really want to see the re-emergence of the
1960's backyard abortionists?  Or despairing pregnant
women trying to self-induce a spontaneous abortion
using all sorts of suspect, life-threatening means?

Unfortunately, your attitude is all too typical of far too many
smug, uninvolved males.



Well, demonstrate why it was erroneous; demonstrate by law not emotion.
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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #36 - Dec 26th, 2023 at 5:27pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 12:26am:
.................  No, they don't.

The SCOTUS ruling to overturn Roe: 410 U.S. 113 (1973) was a demonstrably erroneous one, as has been proved by current scenarios of the desperation of women who're pregnant urgently attempting to obtain terminations right across the US, from states that prohibit it.

Do you really want to see the re-emergence of the 1960's backyard abortionists?  Or despairing pregnant women trying to self-induce a spontaneous abortion using all sorts of suspect, life-threatening means?

Unfortunately, your attitude is all too typical of far too many smug, uninvolved males.



I agree
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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #37 - Dec 26th, 2023 at 5:36pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 5:27pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 12:26am:
.................  No, they don't.

The SCOTUS ruling to overturn Roe: 410 U.S. 113 (1973) was a demonstrably erroneous one, as has been proved by current scenarios of the desperation of women who're pregnant urgently attempting to obtain terminations right across the US, from states that prohibit it.

Do you really want to see the re-emergence of the 1960's backyard abortionists?  Or despairing pregnant women trying to self-induce a spontaneous abortion using all sorts of suspect, life-threatening means?

Unfortunately, your attitude is all too typical of far too many smug, uninvolved males.



I agree

Then perhaps, you too could explain why the ruling was wrong at law?
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Reply #38 - Dec 26th, 2023 at 9:09pm
 
It is for the ELECTED representatives of the people to make or change laws, not for the unelected judiciary.

Separation of powers 101.


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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #39 - Dec 27th, 2023 at 12:36am
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 5:36pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 5:27pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 12:26am:
.................  No, they don't.

The SCOTUS ruling to overturn Roe: 410 U.S. 113 (1973) was a demonstrably erroneous one, as has been proved by current scenarios of the desperation of women who're pregnant urgently attempting to obtain terminations right across the US, from states that prohibit it.

Do you really want to see the re-emergence of the 1960's backyard abortionists?  Or despairing pregnant women trying to self-induce a spontaneous abortion using all sorts of suspect, life-threatening means?

Unfortunately, your attitude is all too typical of far too many smug, uninvolved males.



I agree

Then perhaps, you too could explain why the ruling was wrong at law?

Of course the ruling by the SCOTUS wasn't wrong in the
sense it complied exactly with US federal law.

But...

There's a lot more to formal laws in a true democracy. 
The laws of the land are intended to meet with the
expectations of the citizenry, and—just as importantly—to
be seen as just and proper by that citizenry.

If the US, or any country, followed your archaic notions
of what constitutes fair laws, then we'd still be hanging
homosexuals, or forcing 10-year-old kids to work in
coal mines, or banning women from voting!

Laws must move with the times (obviously) but it would
seem you want to wind the abortion laws back to the 19th
century when they were drafted, and abortions were illegal
across the entire US.

You also haven't addressed the improper, unethical  loading
of the SCOTUS by the then failed former president which
resulted in three new Republican-leaning justices—as pro-lifers.

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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #40 - Dec 27th, 2023 at 10:10am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 12:36am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 5:36pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 5:27pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 12:26am:
.................  No, they don't.

The SCOTUS ruling to overturn Roe: 410 U.S. 113 (1973) was a demonstrably erroneous one, as has been proved by current scenarios of the desperation of women who're pregnant urgently attempting to obtain terminations right across the US, from states that prohibit it.

Do you really want to see the re-emergence of the 1960's backyard abortionists?  Or despairing pregnant women trying to self-induce a spontaneous abortion using all sorts of suspect, life-threatening means?

Unfortunately, your attitude is all too typical of far too many smug, uninvolved males.



I agree

Then perhaps, you too could explain why the ruling was wrong at law?

Of course the ruling by the SCOTUS wasn't wrong in the
sense it complied exactly with US federal law.

But...

There's a lot more to formal laws in a true democracy. 
The laws of the land are intended to meet with the
expectations of the citizenry, and—just as importantly—to
be seen as just and proper by that citizenry.

If the US, or any country, followed your archaic notions
of what constitutes fair laws, then we'd still be hanging
homosexuals, or forcing 10-year-old kids to work in
coal mines, or banning women from voting!

Laws must move with the times (obviously) but it would
seem you want to wind the abortion laws back to the 19th
century when they were drafted, and abortions were illegal
across the entire US.

You also haven't addressed the improper, unethical  loading
of the SCOTUS by the then failed former president which
resulted in three new Republican-leaning justices—as pro-lifers.



The States have their own democratically elected parliaments and governments which make laws that reflect the will of the people in each state.

The SCOTUS in 1973 took that power away from the people and their elected representatives in each state and appropr iuated it to itself, to unelected judges. This SCOTUS, by overturning RvW,  gave the legislative power back to the people in each state. So now the people in each State can exercise their democratic rights and have a say in how they are governed and what values prevail in their State.

Being pro-life is not a Republican-Democrat issue and it is certainly not unethical or evil. Trying to colour it so, trying to make it part of the Trump derangement is mad or stupid, probably both.

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Reply #41 - Dec 27th, 2023 at 10:59am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 10:10am:
The States have their own democratically elected parliaments and governments which make laws that reflect the will of the people in each state.



The states are still bound by the constitution
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Re: The Retarded Right and aftereffects of Roe V Wade
Reply #42 - Dec 27th, 2023 at 11:15am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 12:36am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 5:36pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 5:27pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 26th, 2023 at 12:26am:
.................  No, they don't.

The SCOTUS ruling to overturn Roe: 410 U.S. 113 (1973) was a demonstrably erroneous one, as has been proved by current scenarios of the desperation of women who're pregnant urgently attempting to obtain terminations right across the US, from states that prohibit it.

Do you really want to see the re-emergence of the 1960's backyard abortionists?  Or despairing pregnant women trying to self-induce a spontaneous abortion using all sorts of suspect, life-threatening means?

Unfortunately, your attitude is all too typical of far too many smug, uninvolved males.



I agree

Then perhaps, you too could explain why the ruling was wrong at law?

Of course the ruling by the SCOTUS wasn't wrong in the
sense it complied exactly with US federal law.

But...

There's a lot more to formal laws in a true democracy. 
The laws of the land are intended to meet with the
expectations of the citizenry, and—just as importantly—to
be seen as just and proper by that citizenry.
I’m
If the US, or any country, followed your archaic notions
of what constitutes fair laws, then we'd still be hanging
homosexuals, or forcing 10-year-old kids to work in
coal mines, or banning women from voting!

Laws must move with the times (obviously) but it would
seem you want to wind the abortion laws back to the 19th
century when they were drafted, and abortions were illegal
across the entire US.

You also haven't addressed the improper, unethical  loading
of the SCOTUS by the then failed former president which
resulted in three new Republican-leaning justices—as pro-lifers.


As it complied with the law then the rest of your objections is immaterial.
You have just said that the decision in Roe-v-Wade was and is lawful.
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Reply #43 - Dec 27th, 2023 at 12:30pm
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 11:15am:
You have just said that the decision in Roe-v-Wade was and is lawful.


He was wrong
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Reply #44 - Dec 27th, 2023 at 12:39pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 10:59am:
Frank wrote on Dec 27th, 2023 at 10:10am:
The States have their own democratically elected parliaments and governments which make laws that reflect the will of the people in each state.



The states are still bound by the constitution

So they are. And?

What is sloshing around in you empty, addled head,  Salvatore?   

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