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Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist? (Read 7213 times)
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Reply #240 - Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

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Reply #241 - Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:20pm
 
When it comes to ignorance I bow to. . . .Sore End.
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Reply #242 - Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #243 - Oct 13th, 2023 at 9:25pm
 
The three facts about Jesus that are universally inarguable:

Jesus was a practising Jew.

Jesus preached the coming of the kingdom of god (although what he meant by that has been lost to history).

Jesus was crucified by the Romans for insurrection against Roman rule



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Reply #244 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 2:03am
 
Excerpted overview of main Jesus mythicist
arguments from Wikipedia:

Most "Christ mythicists" follow a threefold argument:
they question the reliability of the Pauline epistles and
the Gospels to postulate a historically existing Jesus;
they note the lack of information on Jesus
in non-Christian sources from the first and early
second century; and they argue that early Christianity
had syncretistic and mythological origins...

Paul's epistles lack detailed biographical information—
most mythicists agree that the Pauline epistles are
older than the gospels, and note that aside from a few
passages which may have been interpolations,
there is a complete absence of any detailed
biographical information such as might be
expected if Jesus had been a contemporary
of Paul
...

The gospels are not historical records, but a
fictitious historical narrative—mythicists argue
that although the gospels seem to present a historical
framework, they are not historical records, but
theological writings, myth or legendary fiction
resembling the Hero archetype. They impose "a
fictitious historical narrative" on a "mythical cosmic
saviour figure", weaving together various pseudo-
historical Jesus traditions...

No independent eyewitness accounts
survive
, in spite of the fact that many authors
were writing at that time.  Early second-century
Roman accounts contain very little evidence,
and may depend on Christian sources...
   
Paul refers to Jesus as an exalted being, and is
probably writing about either a mythical
or supernatural entity, or a celestial deity
named Jesus. This deity is derived from personified
aspects of God, notably the personification of
Wisdom, or "a saviour figure patterned after similar
figures within ancient mystery religions" which were
often a dying-and-rising god...

While Paul may also contain proto-Gnostic (early theological)
ideas, some mythicists have argued that Paul may refer to a
historical person who may have lived in a dim past, long
before the beginnings of the Common Era [CE].

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #245 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 5:21am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:18am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 5:52am:
There may have been a half-mad Jewish preacher with the name Jesus in Hebrew, but he was just a normal person.

No evidence exists the biblical Jesus existed: the so-called census causing Joseph and Mary to have to go to Bethlehem to be counted—no record exists of it. Not a mention anywhere in the Roman accounts of the time.

Jesus' name in Hebrew is Joshua (Yeshua). 'Jesus' is the Greek version of the name.

The Census story places, by anachronism, its date to the date of Jesus' birth.

Also, a Roman Census did not require mass movements of people to their place of birth - they were required to register themselves where they lived.

The fabrication of having to move to the father's place of birth, is to place Jesus as born in the birthplace of David - as Jusaic prophesies had stated where a great Messiah would be born.


Missed this. Yes, that makes sense, would make Jesus/Joshua more significant.
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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #246 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 6:59am
 
Up for Moron Meister

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?





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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #247 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:03am
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #248 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:13am
 
Quote:
Daniel reads the words "MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN" and interprets them for the king: "MENE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; TEKEL, you have been weighed ... and found wanting;" and "UPHARSIN", your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.

Belshazzar's feast - Wikipedia

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #249 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:18am
 
Up for Moron Meister

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?






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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #250 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:19am
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #251 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:23am
 
I knew the autistic wouldn’t get what I was getting at  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #252 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:27am
 
Just posting over the 80 yr old demented nutter...

Jasin wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 6:00pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 5:02pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm:
Sore End, at least I am honest in what I say. I don’t pretend knowledge I do not have, when I am not sure of something I do not insist I am talking truth—I am happy to say: I do not know, what do you mean etc.

No, you pride yourself in your ignorance and that is indeed truthful.

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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #253 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:28am
 
Up for Moron Meister

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
So back to the topic - Christian Atheism - we go.

Meister are you a Christian Atheist? You never did come back to me on that.


Are you ashamed or embarrassed to say?







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Re: Does “Christian Atheism” Really Exist?
Reply #254 - Oct 14th, 2023 at 7:30am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 4:12pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2023 at 3:47pm:
If I am a bit vague on the bible, Sore End, it is probably because I stopped believing in the crap like 60 years ago.

Why did some people breathe life into the cult now known as christianity? Money, fame and sex? Or the cult helped deal with being bottom of the totem pole in the Roman Empire?


It's about history, nutso, not the Bible.
You are arguing about things you have only faint and foggy ideas about - yet you argue.   Nutty.




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