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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #60 - Aug 13^th, 2023 at 5:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 3:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

Still waiting for your strategy, Bobby. Where is it? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Dear Brian,
many blessings.

My strategy involves copying Israel's strategy:
Buy weapons only when really necessary and
design and manufacture our own weapons here in Australia as much as possible.
That uses our money in our economy and helps to retain a sovereign advantage.
Some costs could be offset by selling weapon systems to our Allies.

More to follow.

So, in otherwords, you are copying the present strategy employed by the present Government, Bobby? No difference, Australia is seeking to manufacture it's own weapons and would like to sell them to it's allies. However, our weapons tend to be expensive because of differences in costs because of differences in exchanges. And there you were, proclaiming how great your strategy was compared to the existing strategy... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We do so but only on a small scale.
We buy just about everything from overseas at inflated prices from the military industrial complex.
We buy things like a bolt or a nut for $100 that you could buy at Bunnings for $2.
We're being ripped off.

Except the Bunning's bolt or nut is not guaranteed to work at 40,000 feet, Bobby. We pay market rates, with guarantees to make sure that our equipment works at the altitudes/depths that we need them to work at. This costs more. We buy what we need from overseas. Nothing more. If you were willing to set up a factory here and provide the guarantees we require, we would be willing to purchase from you, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #61 - Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:11pm

whiteknight wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

Yes Bobby that's right. Also what about the Bushmasters, was there not a problem with the brakes a while ago. Has it been corrected?. Sad

That was the Hawkei, which has now been corrected. Bushmasters are proving very popular with the Ukrainians, the Kiwis, the Fijians and the Indonesians and the Dutch.

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #62 - Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

whiteknight wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

Yes Bobby that's right. Also what about the Bushmasters, was there not a problem with the brakes a while ago. Has it been corrected?. Sad

That was the Hawkei, which has now been corrected. Bushmasters are proving very popular with the Ukrainians, the Kiwis, the Fijians and the Indonesians and the Dutch.

We need to produce more military products.
That's part of my strategy.

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #63 - Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

whiteknight wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

Yes Bobby that's right. Also what about the Bushmasters, was there not a problem with the brakes a while ago. Has it been corrected?. Sad

That was the Hawkei, which has now been corrected. Bushmasters are proving very popular with the Ukrainians, the Kiwis, the Fijians and the Indonesians and the Dutch.

We need to produce more military products.
That's part of my strategy.

Which is what the Government is presently aiming at and their plan includes SSNs, Bobby, which you are always disparaging. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #64 - Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

whiteknight wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

Yes Bobby that's right. Also what about the Bushmasters, was there not a problem with the brakes a while ago. Has it been corrected?. Sad

That was the Hawkei, which has now been corrected. Bushmasters are proving very popular with the Ukrainians, the Kiwis, the Fijians and the Indonesians and the Dutch.

We need to produce more military products.
That's part of my strategy.

Which is what the Government is presently aiming at and their plan includes SSNs, Bobby, which you are always disparaging. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The Govts idea is that we make kit set subs as though we were buying from IKEA
and we end up paying $40 billion each for subs that the Yanks buy for $5 billion each.

No amount of window dressing will change that fact. Tsk, tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #65 - Aug 13^th, 2023 at 7:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

whiteknight wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

Yes Bobby that's right. Also what about the Bushmasters, was there not a problem with the brakes a while ago. Has it been corrected?. Sad

That was the Hawkei, which has now been corrected. Bushmasters are proving very popular with the Ukrainians, the Kiwis, the Fijians and the Indonesians and the Dutch.

We need to produce more military products.
That's part of my strategy.

Which is what the Government is presently aiming at and their plan includes SSNs, Bobby, which you are always disparaging. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The Govts idea is that we make kit set subs as though we were buying from IKEA and we end up paying $40 billion each for subs that the Yanks buy for $5 billion each.

No amount of window dressing will change that fact. Tsk, tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

America already has the means to build their submarines, to train their crews, Bobby, We don't. We must therefore pay for them to be built new, here. You seem unable to grasp this simple fact, Bobby. Why are you so foolish? You want us to build things but do not understand that we need to build the means to build the subs and build the means to train the crews. You really are a noong. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #66 - Aug 13^th, 2023 at 7:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 7:06pm:

America already has the means to build their submarines, to train their crews, Bobby, We don't. We must therefore pay for them to be built new, here. You seem unable to grasp this simple fact, Bobby. Why are you so foolish? You want us build things but do not understand that we need to build the means to build the subs and build the means to train the crews. You really are a noong. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Noong ? - cheap ad hominem. Roll Eyes

Show me the figures Brian? -
the means to build the subs and build the means to train the crews. $dollar amounts.

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Reply #67 - Aug 13^th, 2023 at 10:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 7:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 7:06pm:

America already has the means to build their submarines, to train their crews, Bobby, We don't. We must therefore pay for them to be built new, here. You seem unable to grasp this simple fact, Bobby. Why are you so foolish? You want us build things but do not understand that we need to build the means to build the subs and build the means to train the crews. You really are a noong. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Noong ? - cheap ad hominem. Roll Eyes

Show me the figures Brian? -
the means to build the subs and build the means to train the crews. $dollar amounts.

You have quoted the amount numerous times, Bobby. Why do you need for me to repeat it? You really are a noong. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #68 - Aug 14^th, 2023 at 6:21am

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 10:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 7:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 7:06pm:

America already has the means to build their submarines, to train their crews, Bobby, We don't. We must therefore pay for them to be built new, here. You seem unable to grasp this simple fact, Bobby. Why are you so foolish? You want us build things but do not understand that we need to build the means to build the subs and build the means to train the crews. You really are a noong. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Noong ? - cheap ad hominem. Roll Eyes

Show me the figures Brian? -
the means to build the subs and build the means to train the crews. $dollar amounts.

You have quoted the amount numerous times, Bobby. Why do you need for me to repeat it? You really are a noong. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
You've provided no links - zero evidence of anything you write here.

forgiven
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Reply #69 - Aug 14^th, 2023 at 4:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 6:21am:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 10:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 7:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 13^th, 2023 at 7:06pm:

America already has the means to build their submarines, to train their crews, Bobby, We don't. We must therefore pay for them to be built new, here. You seem unable to grasp this simple fact, Bobby. Why are you so foolish? You want us build things but do not understand that we need to build the means to build the subs and build the means to train the crews. You really are a noong. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Noong ? - cheap ad hominem. Roll Eyes

Show me the figures Brian? -
the means to build the subs and build the means to train the crews. $dollar amounts.

You have quoted the amount numerous times, Bobby. Why do you need for me to repeat it? You really are a noong. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
You've provided no links - zero evidence of anything you write here.

forgiven
namaste

I don't need to provide anything, Bobby, you do 'cause you are attempting to prove something. You have already quoted the amount of money we are paying to purchase new submarines. You seemed so sure of the amount. What's wrong? Getting chilly feet? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #70 - Aug 14^th, 2023 at 4:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 4:18pm:

I don't need to provide anything, Bobby, you do 'cause you are attempting to prove something. You have already quoted the amount of money we paying to purchase new submarines. You seemed so sure of the amount. What's wrong? Getting chilly feet? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/aukus-subs-to-cost-up-to-368b-20230313-p5cr...

AUKUS confronts ‘inflection point in history’ with $368b subs deal

Australia will spend up to

$368 billion over the next three decades to buy a fleet of eight nuclear-powered submarines,

combining with the US and Britain to discourage Chinese military adventurism and preserve regional peace and prosperity.

368/8 = $46 billion each. Shocked

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #73 - Aug 14^th, 2023 at 5:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 4:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 4:18pm:

I don't need to provide anything, Bobby, you do 'cause you are attempting to prove something. You have already quoted the amount of money we paying to purchase new submarines. You seemed so sure of the amount. What's wrong? Getting chilly feet? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/aukus-subs-to-cost-up-to-368b-20230313-p5cr...

AUKUS confronts ‘inflection point in history’ with $368b subs deal

Australia will spend up to

$368 billion over the next three decades to buy a fleet of eight nuclear-powered submarines,

combining with the US and Britain to discourage Chinese military adventurism and preserve regional peace and prosperity.

368/8 = $46 billion each. Shocked

It has been explained to you over and over and over again, this reflects not only the cost of the platforms themselves, but the cost of all the training, the establishment of the supporting infrastructure and the through life costs of the programme.

Buying a submarine is not like buying a new car and driving away in it.

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #74 - Aug 14^th, 2023 at 5:23pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 4:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 4:18pm:

I don't need to provide anything, Bobby, you do 'cause you are attempting to prove something. You have already quoted the amount of money we paying to purchase new submarines. You seemed so sure of the amount. What's wrong? Getting chilly feet? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/aukus-subs-to-cost-up-to-368b-20230313-p5cr...

AUKUS confronts ‘inflection point in history’ with $368b subs deal

Australia will spend up to

$368 billion over the next three decades to buy a fleet of eight nuclear-powered submarines,

combining with the US and Britain to discourage Chinese military adventurism and preserve regional peace and prosperity.

368/8 = $46 billion each. Shocked

It has been explained to you over and over and over again, this reflects not only the cost of the platforms themselves, but the cost of all the training, the establishment of the supporting infrastructure and the through life costs of the programme.

Buying a submarine is not like buying a new car and driving away in it.

many blessings - you are most welcomed here -

and well received as you are cleansed of your confusions.
More to follow.

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