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AusGeoff

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Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament
May 16^th, 2023 at 11:12pm

I was both surprised and disgusted to read this headline on
today's News.com (ANOTHER Murdoch) site:

Transgender pride flag flies at Victorian Parliament.

Okay... having said that, I'm a great believer in a couple of old
saws: "Live and let live", and "What you do in your own bedroom
is none of my business".

I don't have any particular argument with transgender persons;
let them live their lives as they so choose.

But... and it's a big but... if their lifestyle, their transgenderism itself,
and their own non-hetero-normative demands upon the wider society
begin to impinge negatively on that society, then I have to draw the
line.

There is NO place at any/all state government buildings for flags
of this nature. The government must be impartial to sociopolitical
causes, as well as being seen to be impartial.

Premier Daniel Andrews today revealed the trans pride flag will be
flown outside government offices (how many; where?) as a sign of
support. “There’s a new flag flying outside the offices of the
Victorian Government,” he said on Twitter. “Because we’ll always
respect you. And we’ll always have your back.” [sic]

This is nothing more than political virtue signalling by Andrews,
who's currently facing a barrage of negative criticism from the
electorate.

(BTW, I'm not trying to start another debate about
the virtues or otherwise of transgenderism per se.)

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36190 Gender:	Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament Reply #1 - May 17^th, 2023 at 4:16am this is part of the distract the masses technique. better to have people arguing over whether 18 stone men can play womens football, then thinking about rising energy prices and inflation. oldest trick in the book
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36190 Gender:	Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament Reply #2 - May 17^th, 2023 at 4:17am next they'll be closing beaches and national parks for native title claims to further throw the masses off their scent second oldest trick in the book
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Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament
Reply #3 - May 17^th, 2023 at 8:46am

Oh... I've just read this over my brekky cornflakes...

Victoria's LGAs fly rainbow flag on IDAHOBIT in support of LGBT community.

Quote:

For the first time, a sea of rainbow flags have been raised across
Victoria on the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia and
Transphobia (IDAHOBIT). The Victorian Parliament and all the
state's local government areas have raised the rainbow flag in honour
of the queer community today.

Hmmm... is this wise? Inflammatory? Divisive? Or are people,
like me, ultimately indifferent?

At first I thought Idahobit may've been Bilbo Baggins' long lost sister.

Wink

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77080 Gender:	Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament Reply #4 - May 17^th, 2023 at 8:48am AusGeoff wrote on May 16^th, 2023 at 11:12pm: I was both surprised and disgusted to read this headline and there's the reason why they do it
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Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament
Reply #5 - May 17^th, 2023 at 8:58am

From the article linked in the OP:

"Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has revealed his government will fly the transgender flag outside its offices in response to rallies against members of the LGBTQIA+ community.

An anti-transgender rally held in Melbourne on the weekend has sparked fierce criticism after members of neo-Nazi group performed the Nazi salute."

Good on the government for taking a defensive stand in the name of a marginalised and ostracised sector of the community.

All for inclusion, me.

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Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament
Reply #6 - May 17^th, 2023 at 9:02am

AusGeoff wrote on May 17^th, 2023 at 8:46am:

Oh... I've just read this over my brekky cornflakes...

Victoria's LGAs fly rainbow flag on IDAHOBIT in support of LGBT community.

Quote:

For the first time, a sea of rainbow flags have been raised across
Victoria on the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia and
Transphobia (IDAHOBIT). The Victorian Parliament and all the
state's local government areas have raised the rainbow flag in honour
of the queer community today.

Hmmm... is this wise? Inflammatory? Divisive? Or are people,
like me, ultimately indifferent?

At first I thought Idahobit may've been Bilbo Baggins' long lost sister.

Wink

Inflammatory? I had to reread that. then i remembered where i was and was less surprised.

I would consider prejudice more inflammatory than acceptance and solidarity, but that's just me.

Oh, and just about every one else under 60.

Fly those flags!

While kids are still killing themselves because they fear persecution for being who they are, i say the more we can do to show we accept them the better. Bring it on.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143958 Gender:	Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament Reply #7 - May 17^th, 2023 at 10:10am
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 52757 Gender:	Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament Reply #8 - May 17^th, 2023 at 10:11am It's one thing taking physical abuse by Rednecks. How long will the world take MENTAL ABUSE by Gays as well, for? If it's not German Nazi Rednecks and American Confederates. Its French Boutique Gays and American Democrats.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament Reply #9 - May 18^th, 2023 at 11:22am “While kids are still killing themselves because they fear persecution for being who they are” Link?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111588 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament Reply #10 - May 18^th, 2023 at 12:13pm
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111588 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament Reply #11 - May 18^th, 2023 at 12:15pm
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111588 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament Reply #12 - May 18^th, 2023 at 12:16pm
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Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament
Reply #13 - May 19^th, 2023 at 6:36am

Lisa Jones wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 11:22am:

“While kids are still killing themselves because they fear persecution for being who they are”

Link?

How can you not know this?

Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

The first peer-reviewed study of the health and wellbeing of transgender adult Australians paints a grim state of health.

Of the 928 participants, lifetime diagnosis of depression was reported in 73 per cent and anxiety in 67 per cent.

Most concerningly, 63 per cent reported previous self-harm and 43 per cent had attempted suicide. These statistics are many times higher than rates for the general Australian population.

Shockingly, 33 per cent reported discrimination from employment as a result of being trans, and the unemployment rate of 19 per cent was more than three times the national rate.

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/why-have-nearly-half-of-transgender-aust...

Around 1500 trans or gender diverse adults were surveyed about their suicidality over the last 12 months, as part of the larger 2020 Private Lives 3 national survey that tracks the health and wellbeing of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex and queer people.

A staggering two in three trans participants reported suicidal ideation, and one in 10 reported a suicide attempt. These are twice the rates reported by cisgender participants in the same survey (37.2% and 3.9%, respectively).

Both groups have substantially higher rates of suicidality than the general population. According to 2009 data, suicidal ideation was experienced by 2.3% or the population and suicide attempts by 0.4% of the population in the preceding 12 months.

https://www.medicalrepublic.com.au/suicide-risk-alarmingly-high-for-trans-aussie...

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: Transgender Pride Flag To Fly at Vic Parliament Reply #14 - May 19^th, 2023 at 7:42am AusGeoff wrote on May 16^th, 2023 at 11:12pm: The government must be impartial to sociopolitical causes, as well as being seen to be impartial. Naive, much? You'd need to suffer from debilitating arrested development rivalling Alzheimer's to believe that at your age.
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