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Reply #90 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:11pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:43pm:

It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue.

I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it.

You'd have to up the stakes relative to those with a zeal for defending and advancing their religion.

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

My children and family get free defense from me. But, I will not travel long distances to 'defend' my family from a threat that is not imposed upon me.

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Reply #91 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:27pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against.

From whatever threat they faced that would cause you to risk or sacrifice your life.

See UnSubRocky's reply in #90, which exposes the error in your concept of "defence" of your, or my family.

Hint: you are at greater risk from actions of your own neighbours in your own country, than you are from strangers in other countries.

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Reply #92 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 1:40pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:43pm:

It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue.

I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it.

You'd have to up the stakes relative to those with a zeal for defending and advancing their religion.

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

My children and family get free defense from me. But, I will not travel long distances to 'defend' my family from a threat that is not imposed upon me.

OK. If not your family, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for?

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Reply #93 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 1:43pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against.

From whatever threat they faced that would cause you to risk or sacrifice your life.

See UnSubRocky's reply in #90, which exposes the error in your concept of "defence" of your, or my family.

Hint: you are at greater risk from actions of your own neighbours in your own country, than you are from strangers in other countries.

Do you have family such that you could imagine a scenario where you'd sacrifice your life for them?

If not, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for?

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Reply #94 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against.

From whatever threat they faced that would cause you to risk or sacrifice your life.

See UnSubRocky's reply in #90, which exposes the error in your concept of "defence" of your, or my family.

Hint: you are at greater risk from actions of your own neighbours in your own country, than you are from strangers in other countries.

Do you have family such that you could imagine a scenario where you'd sacrifice your life for them?

If not, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for?

Your comprehension skills are not very good.

I would sacrifice my life defending my family from ill-intentioned, no-hoper intruders.

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Reply #95 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:15pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 1:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

I would of course also like to understand what is I am "defending" my family against.

From whatever threat they faced that would cause you to risk or sacrifice your life.

See UnSubRocky's reply in #90, which exposes the error in your concept of "defence" of your, or my family.

Hint: you are at greater risk from actions of your own neighbours in your own country, than you are from strangers in other countries.

Do you have family such that you could imagine a scenario where you'd sacrifice your life for them?

If not, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for?

Your comprehension skills are not very good.

I would sacrifice my life defending my family from ill-intentioned, no-hoper intruders.

No, I comprehended your quibbling intellectualising.

To fully comprehend what other people would die for, you need to imagine what you would die for - it's the motivating force driving the deepest sense of existential meaning.

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Reply #96 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:26pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:15pm:

No, I comprehended your quibbling intellectualising.
To fully comprehend what other people would die for, you need to imagine what you would die for - it's the motivating force driving the deepest sense of existential meaning.

"quibbling intellectualising"?

You asked me what I would sacrifice my life for, and you accuse me of this, a creation out of your own deluded brain....

Now you are asking me to say what other people would die for?

Well I know this much: bigots and ideologues have always preferred death over life.

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Reply #97 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:53pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:15pm:

No, I comprehended your quibbling intellectualising.
To fully comprehend what other people would die for, you need to imagine what you would die for - it's the motivating force driving the deepest sense of existential meaning.

"quibbling intellectualising"?

You asked me what I would sacrifice my life for, and you accuse me of this, a creation out of your own deluded brain....

Now you are asking me to say what other people would die for?

Well I know this much: bigots and ideologues have always preferred death over life.

I asked you to imagine what you would die for. I assumed you had a family - the most common reason someone would die for anything. Maybe you don't have a family, if so, that suggestion wouldn't work.

So, assuming you might not have a family, I asked what you would die for.

The point of the thought experience is to imagine what religious zeal might feel like such that foreign Islamists would travel to Xinjiang in post-collapsed China to fight and die in the defence and advancement of Islam - being the native religion there.

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Reply #98 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:15pm:

No, I comprehended your quibbling intellectualising.
To fully comprehend what other people would die for, you need to imagine what you would die for - it's the motivating force driving the deepest sense of existential meaning.

"quibbling intellectualising"?

You asked me what I would sacrifice my life for, and you accuse me of this, a creation out of your own deluded brain....

Now you are asking me to say what other people would die for?

Well I know this much: bigots and ideologues have always preferred death over life.

I asked you to imagine what you would die for.

And I told you: I would die to protect my family, are you dense?

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I assumed you had a family - the most common reason someone would die for anything. Maybe you don't have a family, if so, that suggestion wouldn't work.
So, assuming you might not have a family, I asked what you would die for.

You ARE dense, the above waffle proves it.

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The point of the thought experience is to imagine what religious zeal might feel like such that foreign Islamists would travel to Xinjiang in post-collapsed China to fight and die in the defence and advancement of Islam - being the native religion there.

according to your deluded "individual sovereignty/freedom" BS.

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Reply #99 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 1:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:43pm:

It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue.

I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it.

You'd have to up the stakes relative to those with a zeal for defending and advancing their religion.

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

My children and family get free defense from me. But, I will not travel long distances to 'defend' my family from a threat that is not imposed upon me.

OK. If not your family, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for?

I would not sacrifice my life for anything. I would take action to prevent harm happening to me, my family, and my community. But, I would make the aggressor sacrifice his/her life for their unjustified action.

At this stage...

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Reply #100 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:12pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 2:15pm:

No, I comprehended your quibbling intellectualising.
To fully comprehend what other people would die for, you need to imagine what you would die for - it's the motivating force driving the deepest sense of existential meaning.

"quibbling intellectualising"?

You asked me what I would sacrifice my life for, and you accuse me of this, a creation out of your own deluded brain....

Now you are asking me to say what other people would die for?

Well I know this much: bigots and ideologues have always preferred death over life.

I asked you to imagine what you would die for.

And I told you: I would die to protect my family, are you dense?

Your first response was to refer me to another poster's response which suggested to me you may not have a family. Then you quibbled and deflected about not being safe from neighbours.

Your second answer was qualified by suggesting you'd defend them 'from ill-intentioned, no-hoper intruders'. Did you feel the need to dissociate yourself from saving them from butterflies?

Do you actually have a family?

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Reply #101 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:14pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 1:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 12:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:43pm:

It's hardly a surprise what people can afford to do when fear of death is not an issue.

I have no fear of a lot of things. But, if I cannot afford to go do something, then I won't go do it.

You'd have to up the stakes relative to those with a zeal for defending and advancing their religion.

Like, what limit would you put on affordability to defend your kids or family?

My children and family get free defense from me. But, I will not travel long distances to 'defend' my family from a threat that is not imposed upon me.

OK. If not your family, is there anything you'd sacrifice your life for?

I would not sacrifice my life for anything. I would take action to prevent harm happening to me, my family, and my community. But, I would make the aggressor sacrifice his/her life for their unjustified action.

What if the actions you take to defend your family include the likelihood that you would be killed?

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Reply #102 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:24pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:14pm:

What if the actions you take to defend your family include the likelihood that you would be killed?

If there is a likelihood that I get killed defending my family, then the idea would be to be prepared for that scenario long before it happens. I have had to defend myself from attacks in my life. My actions to defend myself and my family from an attack that might include the likelihood that I get killed would have to be made in a way to minimise the possibility of death.

At this stage...

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Reply #103 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:28pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:14pm:

What if the actions you take to defend your family include the likelihood that you would be killed?

If there is a likelihood that I get killed defending my family, then the idea would be to be prepared for that scenario long before it happens. I have had to defend myself from attacks in my life. My actions to defend myself and my family from an attack that might include the likelihood that I get killed would have to be made in a way to minimise the possibility of death.

That's reasonable.

So you'd act in defense of a family member, prepared as much as you can be to survive, but you'd act anyway.

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Reply #104 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:30pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 3:12pm:

Your first response was to refer me to another poster's response which suggested to me you may not have a family.

And I also said in my 1st response:

"Hint: you are at greater risk from actions of your own neighbours in your own country, than you are from strangers in other countries."

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Then you quibbled and deflected about not being safe from neighbours.

It wasn't a deflection, rather it's the core of the "defense" question: what would I be prepared to die for?

Answer, protecting my family from ill-intentioned intruders.

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Your second answer was qualified by suggesting you'd defend them 'from ill-intentioned, no-hoper intruders'. Did you feel the need to dissociate yourself from saving them from butterflies?

No, of course not.

Rather, (unjust) attack on my family is the only reason I would be prepared to die.

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Do you actually have a family?

Of course.

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