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Reply #60 - Apr 26th, 2023 at 1:25pm
 
Speaking of China and India…
Did anyone see on a  report last night… India’s population is exceeding China.
China has gone backward with population due to one child policy back in 80s I think it was.
And the majority born were boys (hence many abortions of girls making it so).
So China has an in balance leading to less breeding.

I haven’t been to I India…. I have seen China… it’s a clean country… the living standard is good with a lot of high rise apartments for the masses to lease, when I look at films of India… it looks like living conditions are dirtier or poorer. I could be wrong.
But I said to the other half, at least India is no threat to world peace as the impression with power mad CCP are.
Their populations both exceed 1 billion …. Here we are in Oz with a mere 26-27 million.
Why are we being made to feel guilty about world pollution?

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Reply #61 - Apr 26th, 2023 at 2:22pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 25th, 2023 at 5:33pm:
The Bureau have said NOTHING about a strong El Nino.


http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/#tabs=Pacific-Ocean

I would say this would suggest otherwise.
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Reply #62 - Apr 26th, 2023 at 2:56pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 26th, 2023 at 2:22pm:
I would say this would suggest otherwise.



That merely suggests an El Nino is likely, not how SUPER it will be.

"While all models suggest continued warming in the central to eastern Pacific, and possible development of El Niño later in 2023, model accuracy when forecasting through autumn is lower than at other times of the year, and therefore ENSO outlooks that extend beyond autumn should be viewed with some caution."

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Reply #63 - Apr 26th, 2023 at 2:58pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 26th, 2023 at 2:56pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 26th, 2023 at 2:22pm:
I would say this would suggest otherwise.



That merely suggests an El Nino is likely, not how SUPER it will be.

"While all models suggest continued warming in the central to eastern Pacific, and possible development of El Niño later in 2023, model accuracy when forecasting through autumn is lower than at other times of the year, and therefore ENSO outlooks that extend beyond autumn should be viewed with some caution."




It's still very humid and wet in the southern states.
It's cloudy nearly all the time.
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Reply #64 - Apr 26th, 2023 at 3:11pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 26th, 2023 at 2:56pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 26th, 2023 at 2:22pm:
I would say this would suggest otherwise.



That merely suggests an El Nino is likely, not how SUPER it will be.

"While all models suggest continued warming in the central to eastern Pacific, and possible development of El Niño later in 2023, model accuracy when forecasting through autumn is lower than at other times of the year, and therefore ENSO outlooks that extend beyond autumn should be viewed with some caution."


I do not know if you were paying attention to the year 2019, but the rainfall was very little for the year. Looking at the ENSO, they are similar to what is and what is forecasted for the remainder of the year. Unless there is a drastic change in sea temperature for September onwards, we will see a very dry winter followed by a very dry spring. I figure summer will be wet.
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Reply #65 - Apr 26th, 2023 at 4:31pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 26th, 2023 at 3:11pm:
I do not know if you were paying attention to the year 2019, but the rainfall was very little for the year.


"The Great Puny El Niño of 2018­–19 continued through March, and forecasters predict it will likely remain through the summer and possibly continue into the fall."

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/april-2019-el-ni%C3%B1o-update-...

So not a SUPER El Nino year.
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Reply #66 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 12:54pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 8:29am:
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The most at-risk regions in the world for high-impact heatwaves


Heatwaves are becoming more frequent under climate change and can lead to thousands of excess deaths.


The BoM Max and Min temperature distributions and their global counterparts demonstrate that not only have the night temperature distributions moved to the hot side they have developed a skew to the hot side—it doesn’t form a nice symmetrical bell curve anymore (by contrast, low temperatures are now more like the classic bell shape—any skew to the cold side has gone.)

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Using extreme value statistics, here we show where regional temperature records are statistically likely to be exceeded, and therefore communities might be more at-risk. In 31% of regions examined, the observed daily maximum temperature record is exceptional. Climate models suggest that similar behaviour can occur in any region. In some regions, such as Afghanistan and parts of Central America, this is a particular problem - not only have they the potential for far more extreme heatwaves than experienced, but their population is growing and increasingly exposed because of limited healthcare and energy resources. We urge policy makers in vulnerable regions to consider if heat action plans are sufficient for what might come.


Do the authorities in those two regions have the resources to do anything about extreme heat?

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Record-breaking temperature extremes can cause severe impacts on society and the environment, as was seen in western North America in June 2021. Identifying which regions globally have perhaps been lucky not to have experienced higher temperature extremes so far is important and is the focus of this study. Often, regions are only prepared for events as extreme as they have already experienced, with planning initiated by past disasters. Policymakers and governments need to prepare for events beyond current records – particularly with trends caused by anthropogenic climate change enhancing the probability of extremes.


This is where planting trees on public and helping with big trees on private land, making roads, footpaths, roofs of a lighter color. In Adelaide, heat capital of Australia, BLACK bricks are being used on new units! Black! Lot of roofs are dark too, stupid! Sure there MIGHT be ceiling/wall insulation but you do EVERYTHING to keep residences, offices etc cool in increasingly hot summers!

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WEST America heatwave, June 2021
In June 2021, western North America experienced a record-breaking heatwave. In Lytton, British Columbia, temperatures of 49.6 °C were observed on June 29th, breaking the previous record by almost 5 °C28. The heatwave was associated with an unusual circulation pattern, with a blocking anticyclone leading to a stagnant warm air mass. A rapid attribution study found the event was so far beyond what had been previously observed that it was deemed virtually impossible without climate chang


Blocking weather systems can make extreme weather hang around instead of moving. Usually these are high pressure systems, anticyclones.

The paper includes a table of regions most likely to experience extreme heat. Too large to reproduce here it is at https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-37554-1/tables/1

VERY surprised Adelaide is not in that table! Perhaps because Adelaide has experienced so many heat wave records already?


Worth reading this paper tho it gets a bit abstruse here and there!  Grin. Still enough can be gleaned from it by a reader of average intelligence and education.

Many critters are in for a rough time. Humans will have it bad—what about unprotected animals in the fields? Can they find shade?


So let's look at these alarming figures. -

Australia, Queensland  - up by 0.1C, population up projected 1.66. Nope doesn't seem drastic at all

PNG? In the tropics and according to CO2 theory the least affected area.

" As in30, we use ERA5, a reanalysis dataset, as a proxy for observations10 (see Methods)."

Say what, they don't use observations? Apparently re-analysis can do anything. And although Australia is mentioned in the table posted by JM, not ONE single reference in the paper.

Under "data availability" - "CanESM5 and MIROC6 data are available from the CMIP6 search interface (https://esgf-node.llnl.gov/search/cmip6/)."

You know CMIP6 group of models that run too hot. (Hausfather, Schmidt)

"Table 1 Regions where a record-breaking event is most likely

From: The most at-risk regions in the world for high-impact heatwaves"

Clicking on the link takes you back to the main article. Circular reasoning at its finest.
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Reply #67 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 1:12pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 26th, 2023 at 4:31pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 26th, 2023 at 3:11pm:
I do not know if you were paying attention to the year 2019, but the rainfall was very little for the year.


"The Great Puny El Niño of 2018­–19 continued through March, and forecasters predict it will likely remain through the summer and possibly continue into the fall."

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/april-2019-el-ni%C3%B1o-update-...

So not a SUPER El Nino year.


Getting 290mm of rainfall for the year would not be a low-end El Nino. That was a severe drought brought about by a super El Nino. bugger, you really are ignorant.
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Reply #68 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 2:38pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 1:12pm:
Getting 290mm of rainfall for the year would not be a low-end El Nino.



Tell that to NOAA the author of climate.gov.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 1:12pm:
That was a severe drought brought about by a super El Nino.


Not according to NOAA.

So let's look at BoM -

2019 - El Nino Watch and Alert - no El Nino.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/outlook/#tabs=ENSO-Forecast-history

I just go where the data leads me. Roll Eyes
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Reply #69 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 3:34pm
 
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/history/rainfall/

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/#tabs=Pacific-Ocean&pacific=History&enso-impa...

Let us have a look. A lack of rainfall over a considerable area of Australia in the year 2019 would indicate an El Nino pattern. And according to the graphs, the southern oscillation index indicated a mild El Nino pattern. Not as significant as the year 2015/2016 El Nino. But, definitely enough to help bring about the wildfires of the year 2019/2020 around the eastern states of Australia.
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Reply #70 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 3:44pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 3:34pm:
A lack of rainfall over a considerable area of Australia in the year 2019 would indicate an El Nino pattern.



No that is a logical fallacy. Lack of rainfall is only one indicator. Roll Eyes


The majhor one is oceanic temerature in ENSO 3.4 area.

"But a look at records reveals that, in Australia, the rain and temperatures during El Niño and neutral years are now almost identical.

This was no more apparent than 2018 and 2019 when record drought and temperatures occurred without the presence of El Niño."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-11/what-follows-la-nina-weather-pattern-in-a...

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 3:34pm:
But, definitely enough to help bring about the wildfires of the year 2019/2020 around the eastern states of Australia.


Not even close. Los Ninos don't bring wildfire. Humans bring about 90% of wildfire. Now, if you were arguing that people cause more wildfire due to Los Ninos, I would like to see the study.
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Reply #71 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 3:58pm
 
WTF?? Are you suggesting that the Bureau has to declare the year an El Nino event before we can call it El Nino? I figure that we only need about 3 months of a negative southern oscillation index, beyond neutral conditions, before we can call the climate in an El Nino situation.

Geez, you are starting to sound like one of those facebook experts that think 30 years of observations in climate change is not long enough and "weather is not climate".
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Reply #72 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 4:22pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 3:58pm:
Are you suggesting that the Bureau has to declare the year an El Nino event before we can call it El Nino? I figure that we only need about 3 months of a negative southern oscillation index, beyond neutral conditions, before we can call the climate in an El Nino situation.


And if NOAA doesn't declare it as well? Roll Eyes

If it doesn't fit the definition, change the definition. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 27th, 2023 at 3:58pm:
Geez, you are starting to sound like one of those facebook experts that think 30 years of observations in climate change is not long enough and "weather is not climate".


Well, according to the WMO (World Meteorological Society), climate is the average of 30 years weather. That is one cycle. You can't pull much information about trends out of one cycle.
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Reply #73 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 4:40pm
 
There never is a definition that people all agree upon about the word "climate". One such definition, taken from dictionary.com, states: "the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years". How many years to average the climatic conditions, it does not say.

I have actually debated with the Chicken Little Climate Alarmists about how my area of the world has not seen great expansions of hottest or coldest temperatures in a 30 year period. In 1990, we had the hottest day on record in my town -- 45.3°C. That record has not been bettered. We have had a few days where the temperature has reached 44°C. But, we do not seem to see many days get above 40°C. Again with minimum temperatures -- our record being -1°C, back in 1949. The lowest temperature I have observed was about 1°C, sometime recently.

The response I got: "It is a good thing (UnSubRocky's) town is not what we base climactic change research upon".
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Reply #74 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 6:20pm
 
All science relies on definitions. You can't just choose a metric that you want. Roll Eyes
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