Maybe now we will get some answers.

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lc/papers/pages/qanda-tracking-details.aspx?pk=93822&fbclid=IwAR0CiIUBf62tcQbnu4Ev_w5sJrS3i_PRy03SJwcIbZZBioriZeUw-QIBFW0

9670 - Environment and Heritage - ABORIGINAL PLACEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN
Latham, Mark to the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, Minister for the Arts, Minister for Regional Youth, and Minister for Tourism representing the Minister for Environment and Heritage
(1) Will the Aboriginal Place Management Plan (APMP) for Mount Warning effectively prevent the public from accessing that region?

(a) If not, can the Minister please provide the details of the APMP, specifically those details that impact on the public’s rights to enter the subject area?

(2) Which Aboriginal group will be the manager of this APMP?

(a) How was this group identified as the most appropriate to be involved in the APMP?

(b) Was this contested by any other Aboriginal groups?

(i) If so, which Aboriginal groups contested it?

(ii) What were the grounds of the contestation?

(iii) How was the contestation dealt with?

(c) How was the Aboriginal group assessed on its ability to manage the APMP?

(i) Did the Aboriginal group or any of its members demonstrate specific management skills suitable for administering the APMP?

(ii) How were those management and administration skills demonstrated and tested?

(iii) Were any educational or training programmes offered to the Aboriginal group or its members with respect to their future management and administration of the APMP?

(iv) Who delivered this educational or training service?

(v) How much did the educational or training service cost the taxpayer?

(3) Can the Minister provide details of any public consultations or liaison that occurred before the decision was made with respect to the APMP over Mount Warning, specifically:

(a) How was it advertised to the community?

(b) When did it take place?

(c) What form did it take?

(d) Who participated in it?

(e) What public concerns were put on the record?

(f) How were these concerns addressed?

(4) Were any submissions, objections or other concerns received from community groups or individuals with respect to the APMP over Mount Warning before the decision was made with respect to the APMP?

(a) If so, who raised these submissions, objections or other concerns?

(i) When were these received?

(ii) How were they dealt with?

(5) Can the Minister confirm that the image of Mount Waring will be copyrighted as a result of the APMP decision, or allow the image to be copyrighted in the future as a result of the decision?

(a) If so, who will be the holder of the copyright?

(b) If so, how is this justified considering the image is a commonly used identifier for the region by generations of its residents?

(6) In relation to any public infrastructure currently existing on the subject land:

(a) What infrastructure may be subject to removal under the APMP?

(b) What cost will be associated with the removal of this infrastructure?

(c) Who will bear the cost of the removal?

(7) What other regions in New South Wales may be subject to similar APMPs?


Question asked on 25 October 2022 (session 57-1) and published in Questions & Answers Paper No. 854
Answer due on 15 November 2022

Mark is doing a great job

https://twitter.com/RealMarkLatham

Christ Mark Latham is a borf.

No surprises his aggressive, one-eyed, belligerent and underinformed position is endorsed on here.

Laughing stock everywhere else ... but a total hit on Ozpol.

freediver wrote on Oct 28^th, 2022 at 7:29am:



Do you tire of asking this question despite is being reductive?

Strike that. It was rhetorical.

freediver wrote on Oct 28^th, 2022 at 7:46am:




Your question is reductive and dishonest.

Why are you afraid to answer as to why thatis?

freediver wrote on Oct 28^th, 2022 at 8:07am:


Why are you afraid to give a straight answer, FD?

Perhaps you're not even aware that your question is reductive?

Are you?

Should we start from there?

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2022 at 8:01am:


Cowardly, spineless, stupid nonsense, Mothra Theresa. 



"NPWS has consulted with the Aboriginal community about cultural matters and management of the park through the Wollumbin Consultative Group since November 2000.
"In November 2018, the group restated a long-held Aboriginal community aspiration for a strategic long-term program to close public access to Wollumbin."

The plan indicates this new signage will be placed at the base of the track:

‘You enter this Mountain breaking the traditional law and customs of the Bundjalung people and the sacred and significant Mountain, under the Bundjalung traditional laws and customs given to the 14 Bundjalung tribes by men. The past Elders of all the tribes agreed to shut this Mountain, and you walk this track without the consent of the Bundjalung people. As spoken by the Traditional Owners as to uphold our traditional laws and customs with the wishes of past Elders.’

Appendix B Baseline site condition report – Restricted to men.

Appendix F Plates from Baseline site condition report – Restricted to men.



Aborigines want to close it to the public. The NSW government is planning to accede.  Access will be restricted to Aboriginal men.  So access will be on the base  of race and sex.

Nothing else.

One man with the balls to challenge this BS out of the hundreds of other politicians and he speaks i am sure for 98% of Australians, this is my country. Looking forward to the response from Mark's valid objections, where does this BS stop.

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2022 at 5:32pm:

I see this as a line in the sand, this is our country and Mt Warning is where the BS ends thanks to Mark.

Poll added $25 for adults, $10 for kids/concession.

The money would go towards track/facilities up keep and to employ local boongs as rangers/guides/give mumbojumbo tours.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2022 at 7:23am:



No valid response then?  We'll put you down for one UNABLE TO MAKE A CASE .......

BTW................ (wait for it).......Mothra do you support excluding people from National Parks on the basis of race and gender?

https://www.change.org/SaveNationalParks

Yadda wrote on Oct 28^th, 2022 at 9:25pm:


I'm sorry - as soon as I saw that face I laughed....

I'm sure some British in red coats with their convict dogs on a chain, along with some American Colonial Free Settlers with their right to own a gun - will just climb Mt Warning without paying the $25 fee anyway.

I'm sure any Aborigine that pipes up about Entry Fee not being paid, will be shot dead anyway.

So what's your problem FD?
Why all your crying?

It's about Big Sook Latham from Sadlier crying that the people in charge of Mt Warning are not going about things in a 'political' way, like Big Sook Latham from Sadlier can cope with.

My, my - imagine that. Boongs doing things their way, without consulting a nobody Politician like Big Sook from Sadlier.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2022 at 8:01am:


What the bugger does being reductive have to do with the question?

Quote:

Mark Latham finds it challenging to get out of bed, let alone up Mt Warning. It's not like he has any hope of ever making it up to the peak.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 5:31am:


How is exclusive male Aboriginal access for ceremonia reasons any different to exclusive men-only clubs, Mothra Theresa?  Why are you applauding Aboriginal male chauvinism but deploring non-Aboriginal male chauvinism? What is the difference apart from race?/culture?

The same old ignorant bigots just keep repeating the same old crap no matter how many times their errors have been explained to them 

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 6:05pm:


Oh look everyone .... it's the resident moron who never finished Primary School and who hasn't a clue about anything anyway so he merely jumps in to make useless off topic general remarks about others instead.

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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 27^th, 2022 at 8:24pm:


Hear! Hear!

I agree 100%

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 5:31am:


Earth to Mothra: Aboriginal people have the same rights as other citizens to own land. In fact, they have additional rights not accessible to other citizens.

What makes you think they can't own land?

And why are you trying to blame me for 'trapping' you into supporting racist, sexist, government policy? Can you not think for yourself?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

Your 'poll' is somewhat misleading
I was going to put NO - not because I don't recognise the traditional owners.
But because it looks a little dull - and I could find better value options to blow 25 bucks.
SO, I haven't given an answer.

Marl Latham jumping on this bandwagon is sure to get most people to ignore the bigots pushing this barrow

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 8:29am:


Leftoid virtue signalers like her don't see the hypocrisy/double standards unless it suits their narrative/agenda.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:07am:


Do you know the difference between Mt. Warning & Fraser Island? 

That's were the dingo problem with tourists has been.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 10:16am:

Sounds similar to what the Americans did with their natives. Give em some land, let em do as they please regarding the old ways ( minus serious crime )etc and see how they go. Turns out a little "Western" gambling money helps with that equation. Not arguing for or against the idea,just noting there is a fairly similar case study to use for reference. Is that sort of outcome the best society example? Maybe,I don't actually know. So many different approaches, vast sums of money and ideas have been thrown at this. I have family that worked in Indigenous communities for years in education with all sorts of positive energy and aspirations. It slowly became a disappointing reality.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 7:02am:


It's a National Park ... outside Aboriginals no one is or has claimed ownership thereof.

As crown land it belongs to all Australians.

The perpetuation of identity politics & division.

Gnads wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:38pm:





Ayers Rock - the fancy dancing guv'mint up there and in Cambra closed it down and handed the keys to the resorts to the
Cheeses, giving them 'jobs' and making them 'self-sufficient for the foreseeable future' at the cost of - what was it - $150m of taxpayer money?... and now they find that their ideas of running the show their way, and even with the inclusion of masses of Whitey's money and fancy stuff to make aerial displays etc has FAILED dismally ... they now want to 'sell' 'their' ownership in the failed resorts for $150m and let someone else cover their failures while they have one big party, and it's all gone, and the hands are out for more.

Meanwhile Ayers Rock remains closed.... nobody visits any more... even a casino won't help - the only thing that can save it is...........

Re-Opening Ayers Rock And All Other National Parks and Icons!!

Maybe if we did a Las Vegas with the entire area out there... FIFO or something.... sit in the heat of the night and look out the huge casino windows with a coldie in hand at the Aboriginal Lights (huh?) and Ayers Rock.... then plunge back into the gambling.... stay up all night..... fling the Aboriginal doormen and such a chip of winnings....

"Here, Boy!  Now where can I get a shoe shine around here?"

"Oh, Yes, Suh!  You can gets a shoe shine right here with old Amos... he bin here twenty years now and does the very best shine in Rockville, Suh! Will you be leaving today, Suh?  We can get the Boy to bring down your bags.  He works for tips....."

Fly to the top of The Rock in a helicopter... nobody said you can't FIFO the thing... just can't climb it... my knees tell me not to bother these days...



People's Rights Forever!!