It's a process that is now well-established in the US and Canada.

Is it any surprise it's reached Australia?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 12:34pm:



John Smith once said that these 'claims' were only granted for areas that are not of much value... that may be true in the wilds of Canada and parts of the US.... and perhaps for some time here it was so - but this is an entirely different kettle of fish.

Clearly the LNP, Labor and Greens are intent on bringing Australia to its knees.

We need real people in politics.... not these half-educated clowns.........

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 1:17pm:



Reparations for what?  We have no duty to make reparations to those we had nothing to do with years ago, and this is a modern democracy of equals - not an Apartheidist society.  they've had their reparations in the better living, access to facilities undreamed of, better clothing, and all the other benefits of our society.

I you start making reparations, where does it end?

I would thou wert a coconut

I would thou wert a coconut
With sweet white flesh behind
This tough and browned cantankerous rind
We'd get along just fine

I would thou wert a reasoned mind
Who walked with equals of all kind
Alas I here but a steady cry
Giss't all 'ere, 's mine!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 2:09pm:

We do now.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 6:21pm:


Freediver.

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 6:35pm:

With a little help from your friend, Kipling?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 6:37pm:


Inspiration, perhaps. Kipling is dead. Not conscious anyway. Is there a work of his that I am imitating?

What public opinion was that?  How was it expressed?  How was it collated?  What were the questions asked?  Does that mean that every person disadvantaged in the past now requires reparations?

This is like the sheila argument about 'lifetime earnings' - so every individual out of work for any reason must have reparations and affirmative action and so forth?

In return - are they handing back all the benefits generational of living the White Man's way?

Put it to a referendum of a fully informed people.....

Sorry - the people were never asked....... go do it now and await the result....

I have no idea what you are talking about. Post them.

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 6:43pm:


Same as every other such grant by an unelected body of public servants...... all tarred with the same brush... no dissidents allowed.

The general populace are excluded from any discussion or share in 'stakeholding' despite the fact that National Parks are for all.

When did you ever see an open invitation for any with an interest to put their side of the question?  where were the ads on TV, in the papers, or anywhere else?  Where was the coverage in the TV news of the call for comments and viewpoints from the entire community?

Sorry - this is not binding on those excluded.  If Parrot's Tits wants to divide the country into two groups by race, he takes the consequences.

How Dare They??  Nobody is stopping the Abos from using National Parks... why should anyone else be stopped from using them?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 6:47pm:


Native title was not ownership of a swathe of land simply claimed as freehold..... it was squatter's rights with a proven connection to that land and continuous residence/occupation.  You cannot have continuous occupation of a vast swathe of land by occasionally having a few of your group wander over part of it, same as every bushwalker cannot claim continuous occupation of that National Park land.  There is no basis for this kind of handover.  They are free to use it - and so is everyone else, as a National Park.

Even Eddie Mabo, though forbidden to go to his land, had family connected there, and there was no conflict of ownership, unlike Mt Warning.

National Parks are not available for freehold.... always was national land.... always will be.  This is nothing but a bunch of politicians and unelected public servants pushing on the people they are supposed to be working for some total change to suit a small minority.

Ne Passerons!

Throw out these governments, clear out the public service, and start again.

The answer is NO!  This is NOT the law - it is the steady erosion of that law and the gradual creep of interpretation by unelected public servants with an interest and without proper oversight and accountability to ALL stakeholders.

This is the inevitable outcome from a single stupid and half-baked decision by one court... and it must be set to rights by legislation that guarantees genuinely equal rights.  There is no longer any privilege of anyone here claiming all the land they can see just because they can see it.... those days vanished in 1788.

If the LNP does this - and Labor is the alternative government.... any thinking person must move to the extreme parties.

Both LNP and Labor have shown us repeatedly that they are the greatest dangers to democracy and to genuinely equal rights for all.

No corporate and generational responsibility.  That's the end of it.  Your children and grandchildren should not bear the burden of the past..... National Parks are theirs as well ..............

That Rubicon is crossed.....

"Yea, though I walk through the shadow over the valleys of the National Parks, I will fear no evil, for my civil and legal rights are with me, my equality and citizenship they comfort me, and surely goodness and fair play will follow me all the days of my life........"

I see the usual mob are still crying. 

Crappler has become quite an expert at playing the old white male victim 

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 7:21pm:

They were made required by fiat due to the march of history.

You will have to live with the fact you have lived into the age of reparations.

No Australian politician now or in the foreseeable future has a future in politics if they try a latter-day Knut stunt on this matter. If they survive at all, they will be at best an eccentric oddity.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 7:45pm:


By 'fiat?'  When was that publicly announced and under what aegis , under what right?

So you freely admit that government here is despotic........ and does not feel itself accountable to its electorate..... thanks for clarifying that for us all.

I predict, rather, that like certain other movements extant, there will be a steadily growing awareness and eventually a growing and overwhelming reaction against.....

My predictions made along the way, and sometimes distorted by the true racists here, are coming to pass.

What is this 'government' going to do?   Fine people for walking in their own National Parks?

I see a bad moon rising...... and these 'governments' have created it.... and are totally responsible for the outcomes.

John Smith wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 7:24pm:


Do you support these racist policies John?

And herein lies the difference:-

"Land rights usually comprise a grant of freehold or perpetual lease title to Indigenous Australians. By contrast, native title arises as a result of recognition, under Australian common law, of pre-existing Indigenous rights and interests according to traditional laws and customs."

GRANT of freehold or perpetual lease... got that?  It is NOT an intrinsic right but a gift from the governments... and a gift made without so much as a reference to the rest of the people

So I ask again - by what standard can that possibly be extended to National Parks land which is not subject to freehold title claims from ANYONE under our system, and is, by its very definition, land held in trust as National Park for ALL?

This must be stopped.... and considering that Indigenous are only 3.4% of the population of NSW, their claims should only be granted - IF fully applicable and approved - to 3.4% of what they claim, and they must show unbroken possession etc.

Times have changed, and this has nothing to do, in reality, with 'reparations' (victors don't pay reparations) - it is everything to do with governments here arrogating unto themselves the right to do as they choose when they choose without reference to the people, which segues into the very real reasons they have pursued the immigration policies they have - so as to water down the influence and effect of what used to be Australians who knew these things.

Look at John Smith for a clear example......          

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 9:27pm:

Feel free to step onto the tracks and stop the moving train.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 9:32pm:


I won't have to - a Truly Woke people, bitten once too often, will do it for us all.

Now is the winter of our discontent...... soon to be made glorious summer in this sun of a new style of governance....

Told yez that the Abbott government would be a watershed.... people are massively rejecting the established parties after Gillard, Abbott and a few others... but Abbott was the turning point since he clearly showed the Australian people what they are all about..... now it is the turn of Labor under Albanese to make the same mistakes of insolence of office and hubris, and thus lead to further alienation in the voting populace.

Clearly the Parrot's Tits government feels that by sucking up to this imagined 'popular voice' - as demonstrated by a small and noisy minority fed by a shallow and self-serving media trying to stir up interest so it can be relevant - towards giving everything demanded to the descendants of the Originals - will give them a better chance in the coming election.

I'd say they are throwing it away and giving the extreme right a chance to get in instead.

I cannot train fools....

Put it to a referendum now!  Take your chances if it is such a great idea....

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 8:49pm:
I support anything that gets your knickers in a knot

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 8:47pm:


Not at all - just vanish like all the rest with no results to show for it in improvement ... while creating division and exclusion across our society on race lines....

Pure garbage in the 21st century...