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Re: Password managers
Reply #15 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 8:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 7:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 7:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 7:02pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

I've been looking at a password manager that doesn't include external(to me and out of my control) data and thought this may be the way to go if you have your own "cloud services" to host it your self..

https://www.xbrowsersync.org/

You have to ask yourself -
why would anyone spend so much time and effort to
write complicated encryption software and then give it away for free? Undecided

You would have to ask yourself why people publish their code under GPL LGPL or BSD licenses.

Would you know if they were opening any ports and
downloading all the secrets from your hard drive including your passwords?

Never used something like wireshark?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95270 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Password managers Reply #16 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 8:08pm Setanta wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 8:05pm: Never used something like wireshark? No. Wireshark for ethical hackers. https://www.udemy.com/course/wireshark-for-ethical-hackers/
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95270 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Password managers Reply #17 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 8:19pm Here's a good test. Go to https://www.grc.com/intro.htm click shields up click shields up again on the list click proceed click common ports see if they are all stealth go back one page click all service ports see if they are all stealth Also - there are many other good tests on that website.
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Reply #18 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 9:33pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

Who trusts password managers?

Not me. [....and especially, 'managing' passwords controlling access to important sh it. banking, etc.]

Always suspicious of persons who have a solution to a problem, which can provide a super convenience to myself.

And your precious PW's are all protected by some super clever protocol, hidden inside a BLACK BOX, which is created, managed, ...with supervised updates and or fixes, offered by some kind anonymous soul, who you do not know from a bar of soap.

Come on ! Grin

Protect my own PW's ?

Can't tell how i do it.
.....that would be silly.

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Re: Password managers
Reply #19 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 4:21am

Setanta wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 7:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 7:02pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

I've been looking at a password manager that doesn't include external(to me and out of my control) data and thought this may be the way to go if you have your own "cloud services" to host it your self..

https://www.xbrowsersync.org/

You have to ask yourself -
why would anyone spend so much time and effort to
write complicated encryption software and then give it away for free? Undecided

You would have to ask yourself why people publish their code under GPL LGPL or BSD licenses.

I used to back in the day - not everything is about money

Spot

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Re: Password managers
Reply #20 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 8:51am

Don't write down your passwords. Just convert something you'll remember to Base 16 or even Base 18 or some other obscure base. then you can generate your password any time you want.

Security systems that require complex passwords force people to store their passwords on their computers, which makes them less secure.

123456789 becomes 194gh7f in Base 21
AustralianPoliticsForum in base 36 becomes 7iaf2dcf64d01dh87bd618ed46g in base 21

http://extraconversion.com/base-number

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20956 A cat with a view	Re: Password managers Reply #21 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 9:48am @ Reply #20, Good post, food for thought.
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Reply #22 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 9:52am

Yadda wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

Who trusts password managers?

Not me. [....and especially, 'managing' passwords controlling access to important sh it. banking, etc.]

Always suspicious of persons who have a solution to a problem, which can provide a super convenience to myself.

And your precious PW's are all protected by some super clever protocol, hidden inside a BLACK BOX, which is created, managed, ...with supervised updates and or fixes, offered by
some kind anonymous soul, who you do not know from a bar of soap.

Come on ! Grin

Protect my own PW's ?

Can't tell how i do it.
.....that would be silly.

Good post - that's what I've always thought.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 40523 Gender:	Re: Password managers Reply #23 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 10:06am Online scam quiz on the ABC website. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-17/would-you-fall-for-these-scams-take-the-t...
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Reply #24 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 10:22am

I just keep all of my passwords in a text document which is encrypted with Windows 10 Professional's built in encryption system.

I always use a Standard user account for daily use and that's the account I've encrypted the text document with. I can click on and open it exactly the same as if it wasn't encrypted and copy and paste my passwords when I'm logging in to forums such as this one but I can only open it from the Standard account, I can't even open it from the main Administrator account.

You can see the lock symbol in the attached image.

And, I always have a different password for every place that I log in to online. Some people use the same password for everywhere - bad idea.

(Oh, "Thumbsup Horse" contains a link to a funny animation which I'm planning to use on aquascoot as soon as the opportunity presents itself). Smiley

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Reply #25 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 10:25am

Frank wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

Online scam quiz on the ABC website.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-17/would-you-fall-for-these-scams-take-the-t...

Some of the questions are a bit dodgy.

Things like you have received the overpayment but then they change the parameters in the answer to be that you didn't receive the money.

Also, an email trail from a known client turns into a "fake letterhead"?

Pfft.

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Reply #26 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 10:40am

Carl D wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 10:22am:

I just keep all of my passwords in a text document which is encrypted with Windows 10 Professional's built in encryption system.

I always use a Standard user account for daily use and that's the account I've encrypted the text document with. I can click on and open it exactly the same as if it wasn't encrypted and copy and paste my passwords when I'm logging in to forums such as this one but I can only open it from the Standard account, I can't even open it from the main Administrator account.

You can see the lock symbol in the attached image.

And, I always have a different password for every place that I log in to online. Some people use the same password for everywhere - bad idea.

(Oh, "Thumbsup Horse" contains a link to a funny animation which I'm planning to use on aquascoot as soon as the opportunity presents itself). Smiley

Did you know that over 20 years ago that Windows put out
their latest version of the Microsoft Outlook email client which
had an encryption feature for your emails?
Apparently there was a backdoor put on it for the NSA and Govt. authorities
so they could read any encrypted emails.
Customers were never told the truth at the time.

Microsoft cannot be trusted.

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Re: Password managers
Reply #27 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:45pm

John_Taverner wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 8:51am:

Don't write down your passwords. Just convert something you'll remember to Base 16 or even Base 18 or some other obscure base. then you can generate your password any time you want.

Security systems that require complex passwords force people to store their passwords on their computers, which makes them less secure.

123456789 becomes 194gh7f in Base 21

AustralianPoliticsForum in base 36 becomes 7iaf2dcf64d01dh87bd618ed46g in base 21

http://extraconversion.com/base-number

John_Taverner,

That system of a 'hands-on-generation' of a personal p/w code has potential.

Q.
What if the BASE CALCULATOR site you have used previously 'goes down' [is no longer available] ?

For 1/ consistent [same source calculation] and 2/ an 'always available', calculation, maybe we would have to D/L a stand alone BASE CALCULATOR tool [to your computer] ? ]

Check out the base-36 to base-21 calculation from these 3 diff sites, for the code;
AustralianPoliticsForum

Two produced the same code. But one calculated a completely different code from the other two !!!

That is worrying.

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http://extraconversion.com/base-number#conversion
AustralianPoliticsForum base-36 to base-21
7iaf2dcf64d01dh87bd618ed46g

https://math.tools/calculator/base/36-21
AustralianPoliticsForum base-36 to base-21
7IAF2DCF64CKG7988EI2B7G35KG

https://www.asknumbers.com/BaseNumberConversion.aspx
AustralianPoliticsForum base-36 to base-21
7IAF2DCF64CKG7988EI2B7G35KG

1st, 2nd, 3rd...
7iaf2dcf64d01dh87bd618ed46g
7IAF2DCF64CKG7988EI2B7G35KG
7IAF2DCF64CKG7988EI2B7G35KG

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Re: Password managers
Reply #28 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:52pm

Carl D wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 10:22am:

I just keep all of my passwords in a text document which is encrypted with Windows 10 Professional's built in encryption system.

I always use a Standard user account for daily use and that's the account I've encrypted the text document with. I can click on and open it exactly the same as if it wasn't encrypted and copy and paste my passwords when I'm logging in to forums such as this one but I can only open it from the Standard account, I can't even open it from the main Administrator account.

You can see the lock symbol in the attached image.

And, I always have a different password for every place that I log in to online. Some people use the same password for everywhere - bad idea.

(Oh, "Thumbsup Horse" contains a link to a funny animation which I'm planning to use on aquascoot as soon as the opportunity presents itself). Smiley

Good idea

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Re: Password managers
Reply #29 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 11:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 8:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 8:05pm:

Never used something like wireshark?

No.

Wireshark for ethical hackers.

https://www.udemy.com/course/wireshark-for-ethical-hackers/

Wireshark is just a network capable packet analyser it isn't primarily a hacking tool. You need to set your interface to promiscuous mode to enable network packets to be captured. You will get the TCP/IP packets which require a fair amount of knowledge to understand. I have never even looked at IP6 packets.

I remember when I was trained in TCP /IP they the trainer had been a contractor to NASA and the US military. He said that he intended to retire when IP 6 became prevalent. I have a fair idea of what is going on in an IP4 network, IP6 no idea.

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