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Reply #1035 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 11:22am

What did I tell you all FROM THE VERY BLOODY BEGINNING???

I'm looking at you in particular Aussie!

There will be NO CONVICTION BECAUSE there's just no evidence. In fact it should never have gone ahead in the first place as it was a WOFTAM!

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Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist ENDS
Reply #1036 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 11:23am

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What are the possible outcomes?

As the jury deliberate the verdict, sexual assault lawyers explain that there are three possible outcomes for Bruce Lehrmann.

1. Firstly, he may be found ‘not guilty’. This will require a unanimous verdict where all jurors agree that the Crown have not proved their case beyond reasonable doubt.

2. Secondly, he may be found guilty. This will also require agreement from all jurors.

3. Finally, if the jury are unable to reach a unanimous verdict they can be declared a hung jury. This means that the trial will conclude without Lehrmann being found guilty or not guilty. If this were to occur, the Crown would have the option of either requesting a retrial or discontinuing proceedings.

As this is the first trial that Lehrmann has faced, it is more likely that there will be a retrial if the jury is hung.

And my bet has always been --> 3. (with a discontinuation of proceedings) ie no conviction.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist ENDS Reply #1037 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 11:23am .
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #1040 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 11:29am

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 8:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 11:10am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 9:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 9:44am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 1:54am:

I have this site bookmarked for a concise description of the case:

Criminal Lawyer Explains Bruce Lehrmann & Brittany Higgins Trial .

Makes it a bit easier to kick start the old grey matter LOL.

👆 Aussie!! Read it and weep!

Looks like 84.2% of Ozpoliticians are right!

There will be NO CONVICTION! The above criminal lawyer explains why!

Well, does he predict that there will be no conviction? - it reads that he lays out the facts and states the obvious 3 possible outcomes.

Those 3 possible outcomes ---> NO CONVICTION

No, the 3 possible outcomes - guilty, not guilty or neither (hung jury).

Yes my apologies.

From your link :

What are the possible outcomes?

As the jury deliberate the verdict, sexual assault lawyers explain that there are three possible outcomes for Bruce Lehrmann.

1. Firstly, he may be found ‘not guilty’. This will require a unanimous verdict where all jurors agree that the Crown have not proved their case beyond reasonable doubt.

2. Secondly, he may be found guilty. This will also require agreement from all jurors.

3. Finally, if the jury are unable to reach a unanimous verdict they can be declared a hung jury. This means that the trial will conclude without Lehrmann being found guilty or not guilty. If this were to occur, the Crown would have the option of either requesting a retrial or discontinuing proceedings.

As this is the first trial that Lehrmann has faced, it is more likely that there will be a retrial if the jury is hung.

And my bet has always been --> 3. (with a discontinuation of proceedings) ie no conviction.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15129 Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #1041 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 11:30am I'm hoping the likes of Lisa Wilkinson and Peter Fitzsimons et al, who goaded Higgins into following through with her complaint, will pause to reflect on the damage they caused by their actions in this matter.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #1042 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 11:51am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 11:30am:

I'm hoping the likes of Lisa Wilkinson and Peter Fitzsimons et al, who goaded Higgins into following through with her complaint, will pause to reflect on the damage they caused by their actions in this matter.

Damage?

Yes Lord knows how much more PUBLIC money will be required once the issue of DAMAGES is brought before the court.

We're in the middle of a bloody global recession right on the back of a global pandemic which is STILL UNRESOLVED. There's no money left in the govt coffers at either state or federal level and here we are WASTING money once again. Damages will no doubt have to be awarded to the alleged rapist.

As I've stated from the bloody get go ....this matter should never have been taken to court in the first place. I place the blame for this WOFTAM right at the feet of those bungling buffoons in the DPP AND the riff raff enabling hangers on who were hoping to score a little publicity and fame by attaching themselves to Brittany hoping to make a name for themselves OUT OF BRITTANY. If anyone used/abused Brittany in all this ...it was the DPP and the pathetic enablers I mentioned above who did not think and did not care. Their actions literally THREW Brittany under a bus.

And for those of you who might be sitting there thinking that I am a supporter of her alleged rapist ....think again! I can't stand the ugly fat nerdy looking prick. However that's not enough of a reason to convict him of any crime with SFA evidence.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #1043 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 12:06pm

Belgarion wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 9:53pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 8:59pm:

Apparently the case against alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann
is going to be dropped. The ACT Department of Public
Prosecutions will be delivering a statement tomorrow.

—Channel 7 News break, 10.00PM Thursday.

According to this article: https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sexual-assault-charge-agains... it is because Higgins mental health is at risk. This seems a very convenient excuse to cover the total clusterfcuk this circus has become.

Yup - BS through and through. Circus is the best word to describe it... and Lehrmann should sue some media persons.... this has cost him massively in many ways.

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Reply #1045 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 12:19pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-02/bruce-lehrmann-rape-charge-to-be-dropped-...

The case against Bruce Lehrmann, the man who was accused of raping former Liberal party staffer Brittany Higgins at Parliament House, will be abandoned.

Key points:

Bruce Lehrmann faced trial earlier this year over the alleged rape, but that trial was abandoned after juror misconduct was uncovered

A retrial has now also been dropped after Director of Prosecutions Shane Drumgold found it would pose a risk to the life of the complainant, Brittany Higgins
A friend of Ms Higgins's said she was in hospital receiving treatment for mental health

ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold announced this morning that the sexual assault charge against Mr Lehrmann would be dropped, due to an "unacceptable risk to the life of the complainant [Ms Higgins]".

Mr Lehrmann had been accused of raping Ms Higgins, who was his colleague at the time, in an office at Parliament House in March 2019.

He faced trial over the alleged offence earlier this year, but the jury was discharged last month when misconduct by one of the jurors was uncovered.

A new trial date had been set for February 20, next year. That trial will now not go ahead.

During the first trial, Mr Lehrmann had pleaded not guilty to a single count of rape and denied that any sexual activity occurred.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist ENDS!!
Reply #1046 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 12:22pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 12:06pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 9:53pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 8:59pm:

Apparently the case against alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann
is going to be dropped. The ACT Department of Public
Prosecutions will be delivering a statement tomorrow.

—Channel 7 News break, 10.00PM Thursday.

According to this article: https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sexual-assault-charge-agains... it is because Higgins mental health is at risk. This seems a very convenient excuse to cover the total clusterfcuk this circus has become.

Yup - BS through and through. Circus is the best word to describe it... and Lehrmann should sue some media persons.... this has cost him massively in many ways.

Don't worry about him....he'll no doubt sue the $h1t out of the govt for damages.

THE ENTIRE FIASCO HAS COST THE TAXPAYERS OF AUSTRALIA UNTOLD MILLIONS!

Meantime we're in an unresolved global recession, unresolved global pandemic and our entire Aged Care system is bankrupt.

Wasting much needed money against such a backdrop of concurrent crises is both reckless and cruel!

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Reply #1047 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 12:26pm

It was the lack of hard evidence that ruined the chances of this getting up... and that is down to largely the lady herself and also the piss poor actions of the security staff.... **olls reyes -SOTH again** ... and, of course, that 'standard' office clean Saturday morning.... (hmmmm - just hmmmm) ...

Now for that media that pilloried this bloke.... is it time for a shutdown on public presentation in such cases pending trial? This guy's life is ruined now, regardless of what he does.... everywhere he goes fingers will be pointed at him and suspicions directed.... photographed and named long before and what are his choices in life and career now? Teaching rice paddy planting in Asia?

Instead of the feminist's pursued 'conviction for rape on accusation since women never lie' there is a need for a total shutdown on names of all until the trial is finished. No naming and no photo shaming (cue the slow walk of the evil perp)....

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist ENDS!!
Reply #1048 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 12:28pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 12:22pm:

Don't worry about him....he'll no doubt sue the $h1t out of the govt for damages.

THE ENTIRE FIASCO HAS COST THE TAXPAYERS OF AUSTRALIA UNTOLD MILLIONS!

Meantime we're in an unresolved global recession, unresolved global pandemic and our entire Aged Care system is bankrupt.

Wasting much needed money against such a backdrop of concurrent crises is both reckless and cruel!

he'll no doubt sue the $h1t out of the govt for damages

I don't know about that - can he?
We need a lawyer like Aussie to chime in and tell us.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39227 Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #1049 - Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 12:41pm Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 9:01am: It would be great if the accused was able to sue the crap out of certain members of the media. I desperately hope he does. But I'll bet pounds to peanuts he will not.
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Question: Will there be a conviction?
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