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Reply #1020 - Nov 20th, 2022 at 8:42pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 7:28pm:
Rocky, huh? Pretty backwoods.......


But isn't he from the big smoke, burning sugar cane I suspect, Bundaberg?
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Reply #1021 - Nov 20th, 2022 at 9:01pm
 
Aussie wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 7:17pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 7:02pm:
I cannot make you see when you choose to be blind....


So...you can't show me anything to back up your wild assertion of "Now there is a movement afoot to restore that fallacy to favour complainants." 

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Nah then - what is this 'form' of Lehrmann's?


He has 'form' for this 'Higgins' sort of conduct.  Ya see, Grappler, I actually read stuff and I do so very early and keep abreast of developments as they occur, and I see when stuff drop off the www.



If you choose to be blind I cannot help you...

What is this 'form'?  Please explain?  You're on the ropes, pardner... Bundaberg, you say?  Might be related.... my antecedents tamed the place...
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Reply #1022 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:05pm
 
Hmm ...

https://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/shock-prediction-as-lisa-wilkinson-quits-the-proj...

I suppose she's going to concentrate on The Brittany Show and The Republican Program ...

Amazing - how some condemn Lehrmann for not offering evidence, yet ignore the facts that repeatedly parts of the accuser's evidence was shown to be misleading, to say the least, as stated prior to the trial...

........ coming this week on GrapplerVid .................Sherlock Holmes in:- The Case of The Missing Undies, The Case of the Unwashed Dress Under The Bed,, The Case of Confusion After The Eleventh Drink Plus, The Case Of the Missing Doctor's Appointments and the box office blockbuster - Death Of the Timely Report ........ next week we present the world premiere of Fear and Loathing in Canberra's Spaces ...... a nightmare journey to the heart of the national nightmare ...........



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Reply #1023 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:05pm
 
Aussie wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 7:17pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 7:02pm:
I cannot make you see when you choose to be blind....


So...you can't show me anything to back up your wild assertion of "Now there is a movement afoot to restore that fallacy to favour complainants." 

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Nah then - what is this 'form' of Lehrmann's?


He has 'form' for this 'Higgins' sort of conduct.  Ya see, Grappler, I actually read stuff and I do so very early and keep abreast of developments as they occur, and I see when stuff drop off the www.



Nah then - what is this 'form' of Lehrmann's?
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Reply #1024 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:17pm
 
I suppose now Aussie will add this to his litany of why he considers Lehrmann guilty, even though such evidence is as inadmissible as a woman's past sexual encounters....

Gets better every day .... this one .....

I reckon he's guilty because he's a developing greaser beachball and an arrogant and over-rated prick (Roddy Ho from 'Slow Horses' in the Canberra medium) as ugly as a hat full of arseholes and who's been spoon fed too much for too little real talent..... oh - and he has squinty eyes....

That oughta do it .....

Now - where's that rubber stamp set aside for cases of allegation of sexual assault?
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Reply #1025 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:18pm
 
Setanta wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 8:42pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 7:28pm:
Rocky, huh? Pretty backwoods.......


But isn't he from the big smoke, burning sugar cane I suspect, Bundaberg?


Probably smoking it man... licking cane toads....  Cool  gee - he's turned vicious since he took over that other site... a little power to some heads ...
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #1026 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:47pm
 
Aussie wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 3:28pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 9:33am:
[quote author=Aussie link=1664855901/1002#1002 date=1668765662]

1. There is only admissible evidence in a Trial, and

2. it is enough to sustain a conviction against Lehrmann.  Whether he is convicted is up to the Jury.


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1. There is also inadmissible evidence which may not comply with the strict rules of evidence but IF such evidence WAS admissible ...it could well change a jury's decision.


Indeed, including that Lehrmann has form for exactly this.  Inadmissible at the 'Higgins' trial.

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2. YOUR opinion is NOT shared by anyone else unfortunately.

Meantime you've not answered my earlier question (regarding the matter of an unfair trial wrt Chris Dawson).


Not once in my life have I ever given a flying fuq about anyone else's opinion if I was satisfied with my own.

Dawson.......I am sure he got a fair trial.  Bit curious that he was convicted without any body being unearthed, but the Jury were entitled to come to the conclusion they did....even  in the absence of a corpse.


Ok. Fair comment.
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Reply #1027 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:50pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 7:28pm:
Aussie wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 3:40pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 9:37am:
Aussie wrote on Nov 18th, 2022 at 7:07pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 18th, 2022 at 6:59pm:
I'm simply bewildered by some of the things the girl did in the lead-up to this matter being fully handled by police.... getting rid of SMS and calls... the dress .....the non-existent medical tests ...

YTF would any real victim do any of that?

Now - for the record - I'm not saying and have never said that sexual activity either did or did not take place.... like EVERYONE else - I simply have no way of knowing or of even evaluating sufficient evidence to reach a reasonably reliable conclusion.

Amazing how some here have sought to place anyone with that clear neutral position as being on the side of the alleged rapist etc... just children who got out of their strait jackets...


Neutral, are you?

And...you keep ignoring the hot political environment, lead up to an election...including that this allegedly happened in a Minister's suite!



Absolutely neutral - entitled to ask such questions..... and as for the 'hot political environment' - so what?  So Young Brittanny figured that if she made a fuss at that time her job may well fall along with the government?

Was that her personal evaluation of the situation?  Or are you suggesting something else?  How do you KNOW?  Note that 'suggesting'..... we need to know, Aussie, not delve into the darkest realms of assumption and supposition... maybe in QUEENSLAND courts they get away with that - but down here the law requires provable facts, not assumptions, innuendoes, inferences, suggestions and vague interpretations of anyone's actions and state of mind.....  FACTS, laddy... FACTS!!

It's taken long enough and hard enough to even begin to get the 'courts' to accept that they MUST only act on genuine, provable FACTS and not just their personal views ... and not all the rest including discrimination and assumptions of righteousness based on 'social class', job etc...

Surely a backwoods Queensland lawyer would know every in and out of those traditional court lies ...that is PRECISELY what the Abos complain about, with some justification - that the moment they arrive in a court, they are considered worthy of guilt and thus have zero chance ... and in some places, as you must well know, there still persists the attitude that 'any bloke new in town without a job' must be moved on by any means as untrustworthy and a potential criminal... something in which cops and courts actively still co-operate in the 21st Century in the Deep North (and elsewhere) (Lindy Chamberlain ring a bell?), which includes swathes of Queensland.

Surely as a lawyer you cannot deny all those persist in Rednecksville...


This Lawyer, not a backwoods one, was the inaugural Lawyer retained by ATSILS in Rockhampton in 1974, so I do not need a moron to tell me about how the justice system dealt with my clients....until I came along there.

Your reference to being 'moved along' reminded me of a true story.

Rockhampton Magistrate Ted Loane, and father of Aussie Wallaby Mark Loane, was a great bloke.

Just about every morning, one of my clients was the town vagrant, an aboriginal.  Cops took him into custody as a vagrant for his own protection, and every working day, this bloke was first cab off the rank in Court.

Everyone played their circus role, including Ted and my bloke always got a fine and no time to pay, so off to the watch-house he was taken.

Then, I'd be in Ted's Chambers for a morning break generally chatting and his Clerk came in, and announced to Ted's obvious annoyance and then a grin, and my guffaw, that 'Yes, Your Worship, I have paid the vagrant's fine as usual from your account, and he has been released.'  And on it went......

Try not to tell Grandma how to suck eggs, Grappler.


Rocky, huh? Pretty backwoods.......


1974??? I was just a toddler. I had no idea you were THIS old! 😳

Grandma?? All this time I thought you were a bloke 😳
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Reply #1028 - Nov 22nd, 2022 at 6:24am
 
So what does the anecdote of a long-established LOCAL have to do with the ages old thing of 'moving blokes without jobs along'?  You do see there is zero comparison between your egg sucking and real egg sucking, don't you?

Chalk and cheese.

And don't try to tell me that in the Deep North that didn't happen, and in some places still does.  Would you like to try again?

Tell me the tale of some new bloke in town, indigent and maybe Indigenous as well... and how he would be treated..... would you even know until he appeared in court on The Aboriginal Trifecta, when, of course, by your standards and your magistrate's, he had to be guilty already as charged?  Would you have any idea at all of what actually happened, given the court's propensity to believe that somehow, mysteriously, he decided out of the blue to attack two or more police?  Of course, everyone in those places goes out of his way to fight the cops at every opportunity and cop prison and a ruined life via being a 'criminal' with serious convictions, even when he's never lifted a finger in the past to anyone ... FFS, Aussie.

Your mates the Indigenous were the worst treated, and sometimes still are, and until it becomes mandatory that FACTS and not assertions must be the rule for any conviction, that will continue, and in Redneck towns will remain the prime way of 'moving people along' like some Redneck hangover from The Great Depression.

'vagrancy charges'....  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  .. that old worn-out antiquated thing... we're talking about a different type.. YOUR bloke is a Local, not some Outlander ... and there is NO 'vagrancy' nowadays and hasn't been for a long time since everyone has some form of income.

They don't call it The Deep North for nothing.....
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Reply #1029 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 8:59pm
 

Apparently the case against alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann
is going to be dropped.        The ACT Department of Public
Prosecutions will be delivering a statement tomorrow.

 —Channel 7 News break, 10.00PM Thursday.

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Reply #1030 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 9:53pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 8:59pm:
Apparently the case against alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann
is going to be dropped.        The ACT Department of Public
Prosecutions will be delivering a statement tomorrow.

 —Channel 7 News break, 10.00PM Thursday.



According to this article: https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sexual-assault-charge-agains... it is because Higgins mental health is at risk. This seems a very convenient excuse to cover the total clusterfcuk this circus has become.
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Reply #1031 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 8:01am
 
Brittany can destroy a blokes life, get a minister sacked and sued, get away with contempt of court, get a book deal and then walk away.

She was wever going to win the case with no evidence, no panties and a dress she said she never wore again etc, "lying cow".
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Reply #1032 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 9:01am
 
It would be great if the accused was able to sue the crap out of certain members of the media.
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Reply #1033 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 10:00am
 
No retrial


Charges against the man accused of raping former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins at Parliament House have been dropped and Bruce Lehrmann’s retrial – set down for February – will no longer proceed.

At 10am ACT Director of Public Prosecutions, Shane Drumgold SC, delivered a statement outside his office confirming that the matter of R v Lehrmann will not be prosecuted again next year as planned.


After delivering his statement Mr Drumgold refused to take questions.

“I need to consider the harm that could be occasioned particularly from an ongoing prosecution,” Mr Drumgold said.

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Reply #1034 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 10:03am
 
“In light of the compelling medical opinions and balancing all factors, I’ve made the difficult decision that it is no longer in the public interest to pursue prosecution with the risk to the complainant’s life.”

Mr Drumgold confirmed he had filed a notice declining to proceed with the retrial.

He said that during the investigation and trial, Ms Higgins had faced a level of personal attack “that I’ve not seen in over 20 years of doing this”.

“She’s done so with bravery, grace and dignity,” he said.

Mr Drumgold said he believed there was a “reasonable possibility” of conviction when he first examined the evidence in June 2020.

“This is a view I still hold today,” he said.

Ms Higgins’ friend Emma Webster said she was receiving treatment in hospital and would not be providing a statement.

Speaking on Ms Higgins’ behalf, Ms Webster said it was disappointing how the trial had ended but her friend’s health had to come first.

“Brittany is in hospital getting the treatment and support she needs,” said Ms Webster.

“The last couple of years have been difficult and unrelenting.

“While it’s disappointing the trial has ended this way, Brittany’s health and safety must always come first.

“Brittany is extremely grateful for all the support she has received, particularly from our mental health care workers.”

A secret application regarding the trial was due to be heard this morning but by yesterday had been removed from the daily court list.

Mr Lehrmann’s defence told the Australian they were still “working through” the developments and Mr Drumgold’s statement.

After his arrest Mr Lehrmann had told police the case had “rocked my world” and driven him to contemplate suicide.

The original trial, before ACT Chief Justice Lucy McCallum, was aborted in October due to juror misconduct.

Chief Justice McCallum said one of the jury member had brought documents on the topic of sexual assault claims into the jury room, despite explicit instructions not to conduct research outside the trial.

The matter was immediately set down for retrial on February 20.

Ms Higgins alleged that Mr Lehrmann raped her in a senior minister’s office at Parliament House in the early hours of March 23, 2019.

The 27-year-old alleged the assault occurred in the office of her boss at the time, then-defence industry minister Linda Reynolds, after a night out drinking with colleagues in Canberra shortly before the 2019 election.

In February 2021 Ms Higgins went public with her allegations, telling media outlets that she had “woke up mid-rape essentially” on the minister’s couch sometime after security guards had let the pair into the building.

After going public, Ms Higgins made a formal complaint to police and called for the alleged perpetrator to “face the full force of the law”.

Mr Lehrmann was last year charged with “sexual intercourse with Brittany Higgins, without her consent, and [that he] was reckless as to whether she had consented”.

Mr Lehrmann, who was facing 12 years in jail, has always denied that any form of sexual activity took place at all.


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