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Re: Which of you racists is going to vote yes
Reply #30 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 6:38pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 4:21pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 12:23pm:
The federal government's move to recruit retired NBA champion
Shaquille O'Neal for the Voice to Parliament campaign has divided
the community, with people slamming it as "insulting" and "ill-advised".

Critics have voiced concern about his involvement in advertisements
for online gambling. A critic of the proposal, senator and Warlpiri
woman Jacinta Price said the move to enlist O'Neal was "insulting",
"desperate", and "clueless".  "I've no doubt Shaq’s a top bloke, but
it’s a bit insulting to call on a black American to help with black
Australians as if this is all about the colour of one’s skin," she said.
"Such shallowness with no substance when we’re faced with such
issues."

Why is O'Neal a "top bloke" exactly?  All he can do is throw a ball
or catch one FFS.  We must get over this silly false worship of people
who can only throw balls or hit them with sticks or kick them.





I have always maintained that you shouldn't offer to help someone until they ask for your help, and then make absolutely sure that you're doing what they want. Jacinta Price is dead right.

Well said JT Cool
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Re: Which of you racists is going to vote yes
Reply #31 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 7:07pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 6:38pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 4:21pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 12:23pm:
The federal government's move to recruit retired NBA champion
Shaquille O'Neal for the Voice to Parliament campaign has divided
the community, with people slamming it as "insulting" and "ill-advised".

Critics have voiced concern about his involvement in advertisements
for online gambling. A critic of the proposal, senator and Warlpiri
woman Jacinta Price said the move to enlist O'Neal was "insulting",
"desperate", and "clueless".  "I've no doubt Shaq’s a top bloke, but
it’s a bit insulting to call on a black American to help with black
Australians as if this is all about the colour of one’s skin," she said.
"Such shallowness with no substance when we’re faced with such
issues."

Why is O'Neal a "top bloke" exactly?  All he can do is throw a ball
or catch one FFS.  We must get over this silly false worship of people
who can only throw balls or hit them with sticks or kick them.





I have always maintained that you shouldn't offer to help someone until they ask for your help, and then make absolutely sure that you're doing what they want. Jacinta Price is dead right.

Well said JT Cool

Indeed. The Price is right!!!
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Reply #32 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 7:31pm
 
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Reply #33 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 7:39pm
 
Bend the knee,
to the Aborigine
- if you want to pass GO
and collect $200.
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Reply #34 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 8:35pm
 
random wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 7:31pm:



Well - all of it couldn't have been sacred ground, despite the countless claims..... seriously there weren't enough people to leave much of a footprint... so the emotive nature of this and other songs is all well and good, but it contributes nothing to the modern day plight of the Aborigine.... you won't cure the problems of today by harping back on some Golden Era that never was... it was short brutish and nasty.... and the attitudes derived from that environment and carried forward have no place in the 2022....

They enjoy all the good bits of Whartey Culture - we appreciate the good bits of theirs - yabby catching included..... looking over my prospective FREEHOLD island resort business, and working out which part to set aside for the local Indigenes to use exclusively for their larnin' of the young men the ways of the sea and fishing etc.... nobody else except by invitation... I like my Boongs.... respec' innit?

And THAT, Poppets -is solid rock!
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Re: Which of you racists is going to vote yes
Reply #35 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 8:40pm
 
Yes Grapps. And your Ancestors didn't own early Briton either when the Romans turned up did they?
Still living in the forests like monkeys in animal skins, while the Romans enjoyed taking baths in a thing called a 'house'.
I mean, what's the point of fighting for it, if you don't own it - right?
The Tasmanian (Denisovian) Aboriginals died fighting on their feet against an invader with better 'materialism' to inspire H.G.Well's famous novel.
Surely they 'owned it' - no?

Britain is no longer the most 'technologically advanced' culture in the world - so I guess them British 'primitives' no longer own Britain... no?
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Re: Which of you racists is going to vote yes
Reply #36 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:10pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 8:40pm:
Yes Grapps. And your Ancestors didn't own early Briton either when the Romans turned up did they?
Still living in the forests like monkeys in animal skins, while the Romans enjoyed taking baths in a thing called a 'house'.
I mean, what's the point of fighting for it, if you don't own it - right?
The Tasmanian (Denisovian) Aboriginals died fighting on their feet against an invader with better 'materialism' to inspire H.G.Well's famous novel.
Surely they 'owned it' - no?

Britain is no longer the most 'technologically advanced' culture in the world - so I guess them British 'primitives' no longer own Britain... no?


Stop living in the past - it wasn't all beer and skittles..... this looks like Aboriginal culture, but it is not...your partisans are speaking to you in a culture dead for over two hundred years.... the words say "I Shall Be Free!" .....

NEVER touch the crosses of the constitution... NEVER!  700,000 mostly mixed blood scattered far and wide cannot control 26 million without the surrender of the 26 million.... and that, son, is not going to happen... we ALL own the land now so get used to it.... either we are all equal or we are not.... if we are not then the door is wide open to every excess known to man in history.

Why do you imagine I am of Ancient Briton stock?  Do you suffer some delusion that all Wharteys are English or something?
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Re: Which of you racists is going to vote yes
Reply #37 - Sep 6th, 2022 at 6:24pm
 
The Voice idea is wrong in principle in seeking to entrench one Australian racial identity in the constitution. It won’t have any positive practical effects. Some Australians may feel virtuous today by recognising the neglect and wrongs done in the past by their ancestors. But it will do nothing good of any consequence to improve the aborigines’ lot today or in the future. There is not one practical outcome that cannot be delivered by listening to standard advisory panels without entrenching racial differences in the constitution.


The real question is how to restore their (Aborigines') dignity and self-esteem and help move them into the middle classes and political mainstream without substituting one set of identity-based injustices for another. Is guilt for historical wrongs collective and inheritable from perpetrating to current generations? Both elements are deeply problematical even with respect to the descendants of the original settler race. They are completely incoherent with respect to migrants from other places. Where would the Voice leave Asian-Australians? Could someone please explain why I should share this guilt, agree to a Voice for Aborigines denied to us as a group, and why the majority has the right to rewrite the terms of the contract that I implicitly entered into in choosing Australian citizenship?

Universalising the human rights norm was one of the great achievements of the last century. But that very process has created a monster that threatens to blow up the whole project. Traditional human rights understandings have been subverted, in the name of human rights, by anti-discrimination laws and practices. Identity-based public preferments are instruments for entrenching sectarian divides and deepening group tensions in the future more than atoning for past sins of commission and omission. Conferring privileges and benefits based solely on self-identification is a recipe for perpetual conflict. All Australians are equal. Not all can be equally successful, ever, in any society, not even in Utopia. Yet that is the premise on which equality is corrupted into equity as the deliverable of public policy. Unequal outcomes in an essentially egalitarian society will reflect differences in ability, application, character, culture, interests, family (e.g. Tiger Mums) and values. Conversely, equal outcomes despite inherently unequal determinants of success can only be achieved by fundamentally illiberal diktats.
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As an Asian-Australian and a professional student of politics who has seen this film that never ends well screened in cinemas around the world, I am more attracted to Tony Abbott’s suggestion: amend the preamble to recognise ‘an Indigenous heritage, a British foundation and an immigrant character’ in our ‘one indivisible federal commonwealth under the crown’, ‘because it’s unarguably true, has something for everyone, would recognise indigeneity as one of the three pillars on which our country has built yet wouldn’t create a lawyer’s picnic’.
Ramesh Thakur



Also worth hearing:
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/an-indigenous-voice-will-create-more-racism-n...

(Sky is so UNLIKE the ABC and the Granuiad - It has a great variety of views intelligently aired and discussed.)

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Reply #38 - Sep 10th, 2022 at 4:49pm
 
I am an Australian constitutional law professor who is against the voice.

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To start, it’s worth a quick ­reminder of what happened in my native Canada before Pierre Trudeau amended and repatriated the Constitution there in 1982, attaching a powerful bill of rights. Many were worried this would emaciate the elected parliament and that the judges would have too great a sway. To get it through, proponents therefore put in s. 33, a “notwithstanding” clause. This gave parliament the power to override the judges on most rights-related matters. Put bluntly, the legal and constitutional position became that the last word stayed with parliament.

Know what? As soon as this constitutional change happened, many of those pushing for the change, who’d conceded the s. 33 override, started screaming blue murder at the mere prospect of the elected parliament ever using it. In the 40 years since this constitutional change, want to guess how many times s. 33 has been invoked by the national parliament to gainsay the judges? The answer rhymes with the fifth Roman ­emperor, the pyromaniac.
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The analogous evidence from Canada is clear. And Anthony ­Albanese has already said it will be a brave parliament that gainsays this body. If you agree with that empirical take, then that’s what voting Yes means, regardless of the technical legal position and your view of today’s judges. You’re betting on whether future ­Coalition governments will be ­invertebrates or not, and I know what my money is on.

Here’s another big problem. Our top judges, even without a bill of rights, have in my view indulged in some big-ticket judicial activism in the past few decades and done so in the name of the Constitution. Two years ago, in the Love case, on the question of whether a non-citizen person claiming ­Aboriginal status could be deported, the majority High Court justices used concepts such as “otherness”, “deeper truths”, “connections (to Australia that) are spiritual and metaphysical” and more of the same to claim that judge-made law that purported to speak in the name of the Constitution now recognises “that Indigenous peoples can and do possess certain rights and duties that are not possessed by, and cannot be possessed by non-Indigenous peoples of Australia” and that “different considerations apply … to … a person of Aboriginal descent”.

They did that with our present Constitution that gives them nothing to work with. Will putting something like the voice into our Constitution make judicial adventurism easier or harder?

There are other problems on top of those. We currently have no real detail at all. The Prime Minister calls this a minimalist model, but in fact it is maximalist – we are to give maximum trust to the politicians to devise something after the fact. These are the same politicians who imposed the world’s toughest lockdowns and blew out the budget. They’re offering a “no details until afterwards” package. And right now both houses of parliament are effectively controlled by Labor and the Greens.

Then there is the unalterable fact this proposal is thoroughly ­illiberal. It affords different rights to different Australian citizens due solely to unalterable characteristics they were born with.

Right now, all Australians are given the same voting and other rights. Aborigines are over-represented in the current parliament. With the voice in place some Australians will have more say than others locked in. That’s based on a sort of “let’s fix past differential treatment with future differential treatment” rationale. There’s not a lot of empirical evidence that’s a good idea.

We can also cast an eye across the Tasman to New Zealand and see how race-based policies and initiatives are working there. Are they bringing citizens together or driving them apart? And do such initiatives resolve matters or just lead to more demands?
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/vote-on-indigenous-voice-to-parliament...
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Reply #39 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 6:57am
 
He is another Right Wing stooge.

He writes for Murdoch (The Australian) and other Right Wing screeching sheets.

Nuff said.

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Reply #40 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 8:23am
 
All whites out of Australia, NOW.

What are Australians really except limeys with ancestral criminal records.
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Reply #41 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 8:31am
 
random wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 6:57am:
He is another Right Wing stooge.

He writes for Murdoch (The Australian) and other Right Wing screeching sheets.

Nuff said.

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James Allan is the Garrick Professor of Law at UQ.  What's your day job, wazzock?

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Reply #42 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 8:34am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 8:31am:
James Allan is the Garrick Professor of Law at UQ.  What's your day job, wazzock?




We do know yours is collecting government welfare checks.
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Reply #43 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 8:57am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 8:31am:
random wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 6:57am:
He is another Right Wing stooge.

He writes for Murdoch (The Australian) and other Right Wing screeching sheets.

Nuff said.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/55bqVL2msLyT2OqvDp/giphy.gif



James Allan is the Garrick Professor of Law at UQ.  What's your day job, wazzock?



Anyone who writes for Murdoch is a Right Wing hack.  So he was good at passing exams?  Does that mean he does not have political views?  Does that stop RW organisations from funding his appointment at Universities?  Me thinks not.  He is there precisely so that people like you can post RW shite with apparent credibility.

Everything about his resume screams RW Stooge, including his activism to prevent countries having a Bill of Rights.  Imagine if the slaves had rights? 

Fortuneately I am capable of researching and coming to a conclusion based on that, instead of accepting what is fed to me by Murdoch, or faarkwits like you Frank.

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Reply #44 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:14am
 
random wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 8:57am:
Frank wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 8:31am:
random wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 6:57am:
He is another Right Wing stooge.

He writes for Murdoch (The Australian) and other Right Wing screeching sheets.

Nuff said.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/55bqVL2msLyT2OqvDp/giphy.gif



James Allan is the Garrick Professor of Law at UQ.  What's your day job, wazzock?



Anyone who writes for Murdoch is a Right Wing hack.  So he was good at passing exams?  Does that mean he does not have political views?  Does that stop RW organisations from funding his appointment at Universities?  Me thinks not.  He is there precisely so that people like you can post RW shite with apparent credibility.

Everything about his resume screams RW Stooge, including his activism to prevent countries having a Bill of Rights.  Imagine if the slaves had rights? 

Fortuneately I am capable of researching and coming to a conclusion based on that, instead of accepting what is fed to me by Murdoch, or faarkwits like you Frank.

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So the sainted Philip Adams is a right wing hack since he's had a weekly column in The Australian for half a century.

You are only capable to shite your pants randomly, pal, and to..... er..... well, that's it.




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