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Reply #45 - Aug 21^st, 2022 at 4:16pm

I wouldn't really call America the 'West' yet.
It's been politically run by a North (Democrat) and voided South (Confederacy) rivalry for so long that only empowers Yellow Asian economy and Black African sex drive.

The Republicans (east) are waiting for a 'true' West political party to come along to help end this Media circus posing as politics and 'western'.

A true 'Western' system would empower these regions politically: N.America, S.America, Mid-East, Sahul (Aust).

...leaving the regions of Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania to enjoy their 'Media' culture of entertainment.

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Reply #46 - Aug 21^st, 2022 at 6:46pm

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 11:41am:

athos wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 8:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

athos wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 3:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

Comrade, if you really believe this shite you are a fcukstick. However I suspect that you don't and you are only here to create drama. Roll Eyes

If he criticised the CCP in the same way, he'd be imprisoned for an indefinite time for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order' - an actual offense that can carry the penalty of the capital offense, in China under the CCP, of murder.

If you criticized your two party cartells and their sponsors, you'd be imprisoned for an indefinite time for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order' - an actual offense that can carry the penalty of the capital offense, your Anglo Disneylands under the Anglo-Khazarian deep state, of murder.

Exactly what's happened to Assange and Aussie Cossack.
Hypocrites Free Assange and Aussie Cossack.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1REVbbTOE[/]

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbcc4UR_-E&t=4s[/]

I'd bet not even the CCP can count the number of Chinese people disappeared, imprisoned or murdered for 'causing quareles and disturbing public order', given that any protester about anything that challenges the CCP can be charged and sentenced to serious time or execution.

And it often doesn't end with the protester. It often includes the protesters' families who have their lives ruined.

How many Aborigines disappeared, imprisoned or murdered for nothing?

Name one.

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Reply #48 - Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:17pm

The flaw in those two clips Athos.
Is that if those spitting, biting 'kids' had female Security handling them - the females wouldn't be put up as 'bullies of children' like Men are under the 'emotional blackmail' condemnation of the Media. Those Female Security could give those boys a good stick whacking and everyone would cheer and those boys would cry like babies.
But while the Men are there having to deal with such vile little emotional blackmailers - they're written off as nasty big bullies.

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Reply #49 - Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:40am

Let’s begin with the strange argument being advocated by some that Beijing eventually reversing trade bans against us is a demonstration of renewed Chinese commitment to the norms of open trade and the free trade agreement between our two countries.

The politically motivated Chinese trade measures were illegitimate and probably illegal in the first place. Beijing is reconsidering these measures because they have produced the opposite of the intended political and strategic effects. Praising and possibly rewarding one side for merely ceasing to do what is wrong is an extraordinarily low standard for demonstrating commitment to free trade rules and norms.

Moreover, it is not as if China has a credible record of compliance to these cherished rules and norms, and that the past four years of actions against Australia is an aberration.

Since its ascension into the World Trade Organisation in 2001, Beijing has promised an arm’s-length relationship with state-owned enterprises, to cut back on industrial subsidies and other advantages offered to SOEs and national champions, and more recently to refrain from conducting state-backed and systematic intellectual property theft.

Instead, the reverse has occurred while Xi has doubled down on this state-led model on achieving his historic third term in power.
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Then there is the issue of China’s broader geo-economic and geopolitical objectives. The Belt and Road Initiative remains Xi’s primary blueprint to build a Sino-centric economic, trading, infrastructure and supply chain ecosystem in which Chinese entities enjoy an insurmountable position of strength.

The Made in China 2025 plan is still the framework to ensure Chinese SOEs and national champions dominate global export markets in the most strategic and lucrative hi-tech sectors. The explicit endgame is to secure Beijing uncontested geopolitical leverage over our region and beyond.

More recently, Beijing has put forward its Global Development Initiative and Global Security Initiative, which elevate notions of the collective or greater good over Western ideas about universal or individual rights.

The implication is that it is the prerogative of the ruling regime to define and pursue the collective or greater good on behalf of the people to fast-track material advancement rather than leave that delicate task to one’s democratic processes or pre-existing liberal institutions.
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As we have seen with the WTO, and this time regarding the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) entity without the balancing influence of American or European membership, China will use its size and leverage to change the nature and operation of an institution once it is a member.

The point is that Beijing has not changed even if it is modifying its tactical approach. We seek a functional and stable relationship with an indispensable economic partner. But there cannot be an economic reset nor the return to business as usual with China.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/dont-expect-beijing-to-comply-with-t...

Do not trust China.

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Reply #50 - Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:01pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:40am:

Let’s begin with the strange argument being advocated by some that Beijing eventually reversing trade bans against us is a demonstration of renewed Chinese commitment to the norms of open trade and the free trade agreement between our two countries.

Well, China wants trade with ALL countries, and is trying to resist the global decoupling which the US is trying to force onto the world to contain China and maintain US global hegemony.

As for trade with Oz, Turnbull did the CIA's bidding and banned Huawei on trumped up 'security' grounds.

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The politically motivated Chinese trade measures were illegitimate and probably illegal in the first place.

The Huawei bans, violating world trade norms, started the rot in the first place...

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Beijing is reconsidering these measures because they have produced the opposite of the intended political and strategic effects. Praising and possibly rewarding one side for merely ceasing to do what is wrong is an extraordinarily low standard for demonstrating commitment to free trade rules and norms.

The vicious US determination to cut China out of global free trade has caused China to reconsider its "punishment" of Oz for banning Hauwei.

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Moreover, it is not as if China has a credible record of compliance to these cherished rules and norms, and that the past four years of actions against Australia is an aberration.

Context, explained above.

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Since its ascension into the World Trade Organisation in 2001, Beijing has promised an arm’s-length relationship with state-owned enterprises, to cut back on industrial subsidies and other advantages offered to SOEs and national champions, and more recently to refrain from conducting state-backed and systematic intellectual property theft.

Evil, neoliberal free-market ideology; state subsidization of industry (and individuals) is a legitimate socialist tenet.

As for the WTO, the US is currently blocking its proper function by refusing to appoint judges to the WTO's appellate court.

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Instead, the reverse has occurred while Xi has doubled down on this state-led model on achieving his historic third term in power.

Yes, the excessive reliance on free market ideology in China resulted in the Evergrade fiasco, and funny money tech companies; Xi is working to reverse these evils.

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Then there is the issue of China’s broader geo-economic and geopolitical objectives. The Belt and Road Initiative remains Xi’s primary blueprint to build a Sino-centric economic, trading, infrastructure and supply chain ecosystem in which Chinese entities enjoy an insurmountable position of strength.

er... China's BRI engenders economic development in ALL countries, which the greedy West ignored for decades.

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The Made in China 2025 plan is still the framework to ensure Chinese SOEs and national champions dominate global export markets in the most strategic and lucrative hi-tech sectors. The explicit endgame is to secure Beijing uncontested geopolitical leverage over our region and beyond.

The endgame is to promote multi lateral development in all nations, in contrast to the US's paranoid determination to maintain global hegemony and "America First".

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More recently, Beijing has put forward its Global Development Initiative and Global Security Initiative, which elevate notions of the collective or greater good over Western ideas about universal or individual rights.

Yes, given these Western ideas promote the welfare of the most competitive individuals, over the well-being of all.

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The implication is that it is the prerogative of the ruling regime to define and pursue the collective or greater good on behalf of the people to fast-track material advancement rather than leave that delicate task to one’s democratic processes or pre-existing liberal institutions.

ie, the "delicate task" of maintaining the advantage of the most competitive and greediest individuals.

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As we have seen with the WTO, and this time regarding the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) entity without the balancing influence of American or European membership, China will use its size and leverage to change the nature and operation of an institution once it is a member.

And not before time: the greedy individualistic West is presiding over entrenched poverty and a growing sovereign debt crisis in developing countries.

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The point is that Beijing has not changed even if it is modifying its tactical approach. We seek a functional and stable relationship with an indispensable economic partner. But there cannot be an economic reset nor the return to business as usual with China.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/dont-expect-beijing-to-comply-with-t...

Another of Rupert's evil, self-interested productions, determined to maintain US global hegemony... like a “great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money"........

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Do not trust China.

Self-interested US global hegemony is far and away a greater threat.

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Reply #52 - Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:07pm:

The CCP is corrupt beyond redemption

obviously wrong, the CCP has shown itself to be above all pragmatic, in its search to achieve commin prospeity ,as opposed to the generational, deceptive, chronic disadvantaged maintained in the West's self-interested economic orthodoxy which exists to advantage the most competitive.

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and has distorted the global economy through the use of slave labour on a scale that exceeds that of the 19th century.

Of course China had to go through the "slave labor' stage of capitalism (like the West in the 19th century) ....

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Decoupling must continue at the fastest pace possible to help hasten the end of this totalitarian mafia-style organisation.

The resulting inflation as the likes of Walmart have to source goods from home will cripple the West.

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Reply #53 - Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:07pm:

The CCP is corrupt beyond redemption

obviously wrong, the CCP has shown itself to be above all pragmatic, in its search to achieve commin prospeity ,as opposed to the generational, deceptive, chronic disadvantaged maintained in the West's self-interested economic orthodoxy which exists to advantage the most competitive.

TheCCP's andyour meaning of pragmatic - lie and cheat and bully to be admitted to the WTO, to have free trade agreements, and then continue to cheat, lie, bully, bend and break the rules?

Sure. That's what everyone else means by corrupt beyond redemption: not an honest bone in the collective body of the CCP.

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Reply #55 - Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:07pm:

The CCP is corrupt beyond redemption

obviously wrong, the CCP has shown itself to be above all pragmatic, in its search to achieve commin prospeity ,as opposed to the generational, deceptive, chronic disadvantaged maintained in the West's self-interested economic orthodoxy which exists to advantage the most competitive.

Yes, of course.

Through the noble pursuits of genocide, slave labour, corruption, copyright theft and debt-trap diplomacy.

Foreign companies are starting to trip over each other to get out of China for a reason - and it ain't the weather.

No one wants to be left behind after the collapse.

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Reply #56 - Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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and has distorted the global economy through the use of slave labour on a scale that exceeds that of the 19th century.

Of course China had to go through the "slave labor' stage of capitalism (like the West in the 19th century) ....

Chinese aristocracy has always used its population as slaves.

Under the CCP it has become blatant to the world - and on a scale the world has never seen before - and shame on us for turning a blind eye.

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Reply #57 - Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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Decoupling must continue at the fastest pace possible to help hasten the end of this totalitarian mafia-style organisation.

The resulting inflation as the likes of Walmart have to source goods from home will cripple the West.

This is the drivel the CCP tells the Chinese people and the number it has thrown all its chips on.

The fact is the CCP's 'progress' has been built on selling sh!t to the world for a dollar a pop - with high-end products overseen by westerners.

That oversight can be transferred to Vietnamese and Indian companies - and they both, along with most of the world, have at least one thing in common - contempt for the CCP.

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Reply #58 - Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:50am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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and has distorted the global economy through the use of slave labour on a scale that exceeds that of the 19th century.

Of course China had to go through the "slave labor' stage of capitalism (like the West in the 19th century) ....

Chinese aristocracy has always used its population as slaves.

Confucius had other ideas. eg:

"The object of the superior man is truth.”

“When you have faults, do not fear to abandon them.”

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Under the CCP it has become blatant to the world - and on a scale the world has never seen before - and shame on us for turning a blind eye.

The world is waking up to US delusions of grandeur and exceptionalism, and it's displays of increasing democratic dysfunction.

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Reply #59 - Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:56am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:12pm:

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Decoupling must continue at the fastest pace possible to help hasten the end of this totalitarian mafia-style organisation.

The resulting inflation as the likes of Walmart have to source goods from home will cripple the West.

This is the drivel the CCP tells the Chinese people and the number it has thrown all its chips on.

No, its the reality that made Biden reconsider and amend Trump's tariffs.

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The fact is the CCP's 'progress' has been built on selling sh!t to the world for a dollar a pop - with high-end products overseen by westerners.

Long past; and now China is selling the best value EVs all around the world.

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That oversight can be transferred to Vietnamese and Indian companies - and they both, along with most of the world, have at least one thing in common - contempt for the CCP.

India might have contempt for the CCP, but half its population is still living in absolute poverty.....

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