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Reply #15 - Aug 5th, 2022 at 6:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 2:46pm:
Aid to the civil power is a complex issue.  Normally, the ADF steers well clear of doing law enforcement  because it is difficult at the best of times for it to be called out.  In 1974 in Darwin, the local commander refused to allow his camp stores to be issued to the civilian population which had survived Cyclone Tracy.  He was severely criticised for that decision.

In 1978 a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel Sydney, killing a council worker who was attempting to empty a rubbish bin.
  The Australian Government called out the regular Army to patrol railway lines and roads without authorisation. Indeed, such a kerfuffle was caused that it was not discovered until two years later that the Government did not have the ability to legally do this.  It took another few years for a special act of Parliament to be passed enabling a partial mobilisation.

In 1989 an Earthquake struck Newcastle and local command in mind of what happened to the Darwin commander called out, off his own bat, the local Army Reserve and authorised the issue of camp stores to civilians, he was praised for his decision.  The Army Reserve had no special powers which required another act of Parliament.

Overall the ADF looks very askance at being requested to provide Aid to the Civil Power.  While it can now, legally partially mobilise it's forces to do so, it is still difficult and it's forces have no special powers of arrest or detention.  In Melbourne in 2020 the Army provided extra backup to the civil police in the execution of their duties however in doing so, they were deployed in mixed patrols with the civil police providing the legal authority and the ADF the manpower.   The people of Alice Springs can panic as much as they like but you won't see ADF personnel patrolling the streets any time in the near future.


I was there.... clear picture memories.  So put me on a lie detector ...
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Reply #16 - Aug 5th, 2022 at 6:49pm
 
The generaL rule as I once knew it was that the civil authorities had to cede that the situation was out of their control, and that a body of organised and trained personnel were needed.... as in the Iranian embassy 1980.

So if the civil authorities are prepared to say they cannot control the situation, it is possible for the military to intervene under strict conditions and under general law, not military or martial law.  Any wrongdoing by a soldier would be dealt with in a civilian court.

Martial law requires a complete breakdown of law first and then alternative measures can be undertaken to suppress violence, crime and looting and such.

You can't just shoot rioters, looters etc in the streets .... tempting though it may seem at the time.....
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Reply #17 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 8:16am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 2:46pm:
Aid to the civil power is a complex issue.  Normally, the ADF steers well clear of doing law enforcement  because it is difficult at the best of times for it to be called out.  In 1974 in Darwin, the local commander refused to allow his camp stores to be issued to the civilian population which had survived Cyclone Tracy.  He was severely criticised for that decision.

In 1978 a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel Sydney, killing a council worker who was attempting to empty a rubbish bin.  The Australian Government called out the regular Army to patrol railway lines and roads without authorisation. Indeed, such a kerfuffle was caused that it was not discovered until two years later that the Government did not have the ability to legally do this.  It took another few years for a special act of Parliament to be passed enabling a partial mobilisation.

In 1989 an Earthquake struck Newcastle and local command in mind of what happened to the Darwin commander called out, off his own bat, the local Army Reserve and authorised the issue of camp stores to civilians, he was praised for his decision.  The Army Reserve had no special powers which required another act of Parliament.

Overall the ADF looks very askance at being requested to provide Aid to the Civil Power.  While it can now, legally partially mobilise it's forces to do so, it is still difficult and it's forces have no special powers of arrest or detention.  In Melbourne in 2020 the Army provided extra backup to the civil police in the execution of their duties however in doing so, they were deployed in mixed patrols with the civil police providing the legal authority and the ADF the manpower.   The people of Alice Springs can panic as much as they like but you won't see ADF personnel patrolling the streets any time in the near future.


Alice Springs is a disaster area because of crime and lawlessness

The army with guns and patrols and curfews and shoot on sight is the only answer
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Reply #18 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 8:21am
 
Can I get the blue helmets in please? Someone keeps dropping rubbish on the footpath on my street.
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Reply #19 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 8:26am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 8:21am:
Can I get the blue helmets in please? Someone keeps dropping rubbish on the footpath on my street.


Sniper team in the church tower.... the first few won't know what hit them....
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Reply #20 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 8:40am
 
A man was caught on video walking naked into an Alice Springs street and jumping on top of a taxi.

Naked taxi ride in Alice Springs
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https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/naked-taxi-ride-in-alice-sprin...

https://www.news.com.au/news/northern-territory/naked-taxi-ride-in-alice-springs...
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Reply #21 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 9:00am
 
Boris wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 8:40am:
A man was caught on video walking naked into an Alice Springs street and jumping on top of a taxi.

Naked taxi ride in Alice Springs
17 hours ago
NewsDNARaw

https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/naked-taxi-ride-in-alice-sprin...

https://www.news.com.au/news/northern-territory/naked-taxi-ride-in-alice-springs...


Just part of the culture ...... needs a voice to sort everything out....

Now don't you dare start posting about actual events - you'll bring out the ageist, racist, sexist generationist types who will gang up on you and screech at you like bonobos...  call you names and such.... and you know how much political impact that can have in this day and age.... it takes a brave person to stand against New City Hall in all its righteousness...

Who was it that said any 'revolutionary' movement sets about correcting what it perceives as wrong about a society, and ends up being the very thing it said it abhorred..... might have been Geoffrey Robertson.... sort of has that feel to it... anyway - you only need to look at Russia and China for clear examples of the truth of that... generations to get rid of oligarchs and now controlled by oligarchs with even greater powers of intrusion and removal of dissidents and even the same expansionist fantasies ......   Cool

People just ain't no good.....
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Reply #22 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 1:39pm
 
You want a voice?

Here is one

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Reply #23 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 2:16pm
 
Better get the government to appoint someone to speak on his behalf.
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Reply #24 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 2:44pm
 
I'm waiting for the crying to begin about how suddenly (?) all this nasty real life stuff about Abos (Abonibos?) is coming out when the ever so decent government is simply trying to get them heard for all their grievances..........

(hold the falling about laughing, Igor - you'll distress the peasantry out there)......




For those of you who missed it, Igor is my Dark Side... the one that comes out when I am confronted by stupidity of the first water, or lies, or dirty work at the crossroads, or scumbag behaviour.... the side of every one of us that comes to the fore and demands castration, public whipping and then slow execution after drawing and quartering for rapists etc.... we all have it - some of us know it and keep it under control.... most of you are sleeping..... and of course - you only want to kill Boomers and drink their blood.... a sure sign of the deeper insanity of the majority of you...... and to think in public you all seems so sane and reasonable in your utter madness........ sociopaths are like that.....

I guess most of you wouldn't begin to understand subtle ways of seeing things if it fell on you like an anvil in a cartoon ....
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Reply #25 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 3:07pm
 
You'll note no links to Matty's Facebook post.

This article helps explain why.

https://alicespringsnews.com.au/2011/10/13/apology-accpted-for-racist-ads-on-imp...
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Reply #26 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 4:20pm
 
Boris wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 1:39pm:
You want a voice?

Here is one



The Drunken Boong video has become a genre in itself, a genre where everybody with a camera phone is welcome to film the Boong in his natural habitat, drinking, singing, dancing and having fun. Who could forget Gordon's long grass party, with its colourful drunken tranny celebrating her birthday in style, or the Central Desert VB monument, where thirsty drinkers gather to add a splash of green to the red earth, can by can?

The hallmark of the genre is its juxtaposition of the drunken Boong with his environment, the large, empty land mass of Australia, the dead heart. Irony is a central rhetorical device. The primitive drunkenness of the Boong is always contrasted with the trappings of modernity. The Boong, it asserts, has been given all he needs, but he chooses to drink. Nature itself rests in the background, a testament to the intractability of the primitive, untamable nature of outback Australia.

Here we have Chappy, an elderly shirtless Boong, dancing with gay aplomb to the Boney M disco classic, Rivers of Babylon. Here, in the outback dirt, the drunken Chappy gesticulates, moving his limbs in spasms of carefree abandon, his grey-bearded face grimacing with the spasticity of intoxication. Here, Chappy dances his native dance, not happy, not sad, but alone. It is a performance of grim self-determination, of survival. Chappy is fueled, as it were, not just by the grog, but by the phone camera's gaze. At the video's end, we hear the cameraman laugh, and we are brought into the moment. There, as the screen fades to black, we know. Chappy will reach for another drink, an attempt to quench a thirst as big as the outback itself.
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Reply #27 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 5:15pm
 
Cans Film Festival.....
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Reply #28 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 5:17pm
 
Boris wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 1:39pm:
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He only had a little drink.    Grin
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Reply #29 - Aug 6th, 2022 at 5:36pm
 
Boris wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 1:24pm:
The NT is not a State


And Boongs are not a race, no?
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