freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 7:35pm:


Well....Scandinavia taxes at c.45%of GDP - and is a happier society than Oz.......since taxes there are high enough to fund the general welfare.

So there's your answer.

Anyway - here's a blast from across the Tasman on Twitter:-

Chris Lee
@ChrisALee_NZ
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18h
Jacinda Ardern has clearly not taken the trouble to study  the details around the drafting, translation, and signing of the Treaty of Waitangi.
Article 3 made all Maori (including their slaves British subjects
NOT partners with the Crown
NOT co-governors

Anyone ready to try a bite on this one?  Come right in, suckers...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 9:10am:


Your head still stuck in the sand, Grapps;  treaties, voices, symbols...none of these will by themselves eradicate 3rd world conditions among blacks, which will require cold hard investment in community development, not sweeping  the problem under a rug with the dole ("sit-down money") which is mostly pissed up against a wall, to achieve a state of oblivion...

Gnads wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:16pm:


Quick google indicates about 6000 abos live in the Alice; about 20% of the population.

A good opportunity to showcase community development and eradication of social dysfunction; might attract even more abos to the town. 

But is it the Abos from the remote communities who are causing all the trouble?  aquascoot would tell us that the true tribals are not like that.

Obviously they are not coming to the Alice for jobs - there aren't that many anyway... so shut your yap, Smith... and stop crying about people seeking answers to the Abo issues.

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 1:11pm:


Nay, sir - it is thee with the head stuck in the sand - the sand of making generalised statements without any meat on them..... I still fail to see why you lump me in with any of those things.... you really must stop thinking, in some severely handicapped way, that all persons of a certain age or of a certain viewpoint are all the same and can be lumped under one label...

Ar you autistic, by any chance?  Or just totally inexperienced in the real world?

"none of these will by themselves eradicate 3rd world conditions among blacks, which will require cold hard investment in community development, not sweeping  the problem under a rug with the dole"...

Well, then SHOW us this cold hard investment in community development in all its true glory .... tell us how it is to work...

I'm glad you've at least removed yourself from the silliness of treaties and such..... MY point was to show that those who seek to make comparison with the Treaty of Waitangi are way off beam.... though I do like that bit about Maori (and their slaves) becoming British subjects* - the opposite of what our Keffir here want it seems ............ bit of the old black-birding there never went astray... ask Jake The Mus..... anyway - sorry, old mate - but only Australian subjects can receive benefits...... no likee - there door, Jackie-Jackie...

Maybe we should have had Abo slaves here... seems they probably had a few ..... someone to skin and cook the kids and enemies 'fore eating..... of course, traditionally it's always the women they kept, so the slaves are probably their offspring and probably first for the pot...

This whole Abo Story - like a good stew - gets thicker and thicker as it goes along.... what did Pascoe have to say about that?   

Once Upon A Time In Australia......

*same with US Indian Nations - they signed treaties that made them US Citizens...... and many of them rushed to enlist during WWI and II - for the simple reason that it was their country under attack....

Personally I can't see why our lot just don't behave like decent citizens...

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 3:03pm:



.. and again - your proposal to get those peoples off the streets and into schools and TAFE is....?

You really need to start by selling your idea to governments - then going out and selling the idea to the Keffir out there....

They've tried Prohibition... the bathtub gin trade went gangbusters.... the smuggling beat anything over the border from Canada .... but things did get a bit better for a while....

As for getting those who can afford to pay more tax - you'll need to change the entire tax structure... most ordinary families are barely keeping track with costs of living.... let along prospering... and if you can get money out of Scrooge McBusinessman - I'm all for it.... but I'll bet it'll be 'Bah Humbug' all the way and crying poor...

So - now your baseline proposal is to drastically reduce costs of living Australia-wide and for all Australians, including homing as opposed to housing?  This is a far bigger issue than bringing the Keffir in Alice to heel.... what you are proposing here is outright revolutionary.....

Maybe the price of Home Ownership Purchasing (HOP) should be pegged at 50% of the cost of House Investment Purchasing (HIP) ........ along with half the interest rate..... it's lower already but if you halve it ...

Damn - a little bit more effort and I could have made that Hip-Hop....