"Actually you can, if you are happy to see everyone at least have access  to that quantum of the nation's output required for above poverty participation in the nation's social and economic life. "

Name me a nation that genuinely does that.... pie in the sky, Mr Rudd - as you well know.  Theory is a wonderful thing until it meets reality....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 3:35pm:


Before neoliberalism became entrenched - in a mistaken belief it was the only solution to the stagflation crisis of the 70's - Keynesian 'welfare state' economics achieved just that (ie above poverty participation) in many countries around the world.

Oz was particularly successful under Menzies, with  less than 2% unemployment; and the UK introduced the NHS...

And guess what: economic "theory" can change again...in reality....

But..... but ....... but.... but, divide - if Menzies etc were so good at eradicating poverty.... how come the Aborigines are considered generationally disadvantaged? 

You seem to be straying from the mantra about eradication of poverty.... was an Abo living the traditional way who owned his own water-hole and fish traps and the odd yam from the paddocks (aquaculture and agriculture a la Pascoe - jeez 98,000 new Pascorigines!!  Who'd 've thunk that?) living in poverty?

Or was he comparatively rich compared to others who owned no water-hole and fish-traps?  Did he only get the idea he was a poor man sitting under that coolibah tree most of the day and that he was not only living in poverty, but was oppressed as well - after some do-gooder told him he needed a mansion, a Rolls, a business with all perks, and all the trappings of the richest white men's lives??

How does an Abo living on the oceanfront with all mod cons provided including land claims compare to someone Other living in a big city trying to make ends meet and having zero chance of ever owning any home of his/her own?

It's all revealed in the Blind Freddy strand, folks - the great divide has told us in no uncertain terms that it will over-ride a democratically elected government........

So the question about a voice has been answered - it is a dangerous threat to the fairly limited democracy we already suffer under.... and is even worse for any attempt to improve on that....time for you all to stop sucking up to whining minority groups and start to consider the future for your children and grand-children and so forth.....

Frank wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 6:37pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 9:23am:


Wrong, I replied to Frank (see above) as soon as I saw his post (you have already been informed that the time when posts are answered is independent of the time you might prefer...just as you are not online at the time I am replying to you now....). 

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Already refuted above in my reply to Frank (..after I had already noticed your post below his).

But if you dare to return to this debate; here is the link demanded (from a "boomer".. as per Grappler..) , after you rejected Hutchen's very apposite call for an inquiry into how money is created in central banks...because he is "too young" to know what he is talking about....

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?m=20220818

Australian labour market deteriorating as employment and participation contract
Thursday, August 18, 2022



 

Johnnie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 3:22pm:


He should certainly do both...but - like you - Albo has been captured by neoliberal low-tax orthodoxy, and so - unlike you - is looking to symbolism, to close the gap.