Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 9^th, 2022 at 11:41pm:


Already done ages ago. I think the voice is a waste of time, but harmless......remember the designers of the referendum are commited to finding "words which will succeed"...I don't think they can do it.

Although I'm now thinking of voting against it, until the legal pronouncements around the contradictory  issues of British sovereignty and black land rights are more clearly explained by the High Court.

That c.3% of the population can "own" nearly half the Oz continent, on the basis of race,  is ridiculous.

The obvious restitution, to replace 'land rights',  is well-maintained public housing as needed.

Bur fat-cat judges prefer 'land rights', because they don't want to pay taxes to fund public housing. 


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Already done; and fully explored in the 2 links I provided.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 2:15pm:


You are still trying to conscript them to your idea... they will not follow you.  I tell you truly three times - they can get more by continuing the same whining over and over than they can by working for it.  Why would they choose to work for what they can get by complaining constantly?

They learned from the feminists, just as every other whining group did - just keep up the whining and one day everyone will think it was always that way - you just give in to those who whine...

I warned yez all years ago that you need, right here and now and back then, to draw a line in the stone and stick to it.  Now you will bear the fruit of what you have sown in terms of Aborigines, ethnics, women and every other group of whingers, for simply refusing to learn to say NO!

I expect to be on the high seas and you can all rot back here in your own mess..........

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 4:06pm:


Nope, the CDEP was was widely appreciated by its participants, its cancellation was experienced as a great loss.  

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Already refuted; your insistence on participation in the "general economy", in which  prices are  determined by private sector competiton, is THE problem.

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So I'll pass on your following remarks.....

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thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 4:55pm:
 

I forgot to include the Asiatics and their endless whining about how great the CCP is...              

Aborigines are represented at every level. One more level of representation will make zero difference.

Why?

Because the gap is NOT due to the lack of representation, or voice. It is due to the lack of responsibility. Another voice will just muffle that truth for another few generations, constitutionally enshrined.


Aboriginese are given every assistance. They only need to add willingness to get the hell out of their self-imposed mystery. MANY, MANY of them manage it very well. THEY should lift the rest up to their own level.
But they don't.

Can you imagine the Jews, another 'remote' people, being 2% of the population, receiving vast assistance and encouragement, but still being drunken, violent, rapey and neglectful of their children??

Of corse not. Aboriginese have no excuses. Or rather, excuses is all they have. Enough. Lift yourselves out if your Faruqi misery. Nobody else can do it for you.

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 9:32pm:


we agree on that... like me agreeing with Price on the CWC....

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So how does the community engender responsibility?
(while our disgusting profit-driven junk consumer economy with its mind-numbing junk advertising remains a hindrance. Travel stops all around Oz are cesspools of discarded poo-food packaging, giving insight into the mentality of the people -mostly whites -  discarding their rubbish in that fashion).

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50% unemployment rate and a decade shorter life span prove many don't manage very well. And as for the  rest of us (non-blacks) in the "general economy", hopefully unemployment remains below 10% most of the time, with the dole supporting those who can't compete in the "general economy".

But there are additional problems of group, as well as individual dysfunction,  among blacks, aided and abetted by a large dysfunctional systems-related dole culture.  (the competitve neoliberal private sector economy in fact  which fails the least advantaged)

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Even Peterson said "we have to ...teach...tell ..young men how to gain personal responsibilty". Vague, without specifying who is going to teach them, and what will be taught. Employment (effort), and secure reward  are powerful teachers of personal responsibility.

You wrote in your prior post:

"They need to fix their culture first. And Jacinda Price, Warren Mundene, Anthony Dillon and others are working on that, voicing that".

You didn't outline how those people are "working on that ", and how they plan to fix their culture. ....
Voicing  is easy, but actually achieving positive change is hard.

From Petseron's viewpoint you need teachers, employed by the state, obviously;   and a goal relentlessly pursued.

Me bad... that was just the advertising from Albo to kick start this insanity..... I should have known better than to genuinely accept that Labor would want some genuine positive results before elevating the Indigenous to sainthood...

That was the window dressing to lull the electorate into a false sense of security about the whole thing... make it look as if it was totally above board and responsible and actually would achieve something.... the idea being that these Key Performance Indicators would be the starting point - after the application of Voice Snake Oil - for a forever upward climb in behaviour and standards and values of Indigenous communities.

I should have known better.... of course the actual results are endless ranting and claiming and even shooting one another with cross bows - that traditional weapon....... the reality is that this was just a spur to get them going along the usual lines..... like children - give us what we demand or we play up!!!

The more you kow-tow and say YES the worse it will get..... thank you all for coming... I Told You So!!!

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 11:01pm:


Yes, well....."genuine positive results" are proving incredibly elusive (for which I blame neoliberal market ideologues, who can't, or rather refuse to differentiate between the public sector economy and the private sector economy).

Since the ALP are as blinded by neoliberalism as the Coalition, the former is now hoping symbolic changes like recognition of "rights" and a "voice" will close the gap. They won't, of course.

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Good speech on the soap box there: I reckon Webster himself would have approved. .