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Reply #1200 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:21pm

Ron wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 5:30pm:

AusGeoff, I'll make an exception this time and provide information on well known facts that in future you can research yourself.

"On a per person basis, government welfare expenditure was $13,968 per Indigenous Australian, compared with $6,019 per non-Indigenous Australian in 2012–13—this equates to expenditure of $2.32 per Indigenous person for every $1.00 spent per non-Indigenous person".

I would suggest the figure is likely to be a lot higher today.
I understand that lefties like yourself don't deal in facts and reality but only emotions and feel good stuff that feed your impossible utopian vision of the world.

On a per person basis?

Yes, well c.200,000 blacks are WAY MORE disadvantaged than c.24 million non-blacks, due to the complexity of transistioning an illiterate hunter-gatherer economy into the modern economy.

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Reply #1201 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:46pm

No excuse - how long does this 'transition' (barp - buzz word) take? Any qualified Cheese can walk into a job... plenty of 'em here... and any sort of part qualified one can walk into a job with public service.....

No More Excuses! The opportunities are out there somewhere - go get them. Do you somehow imagine that I, as an orphan on his own at fifteen, didn't have to travel and take any job I could get to eat?

What makes the Cheeses so special apart from their recalcitrance?

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Reply #1202 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 7:06pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

No excuse - how long does this 'transition' (barp - buzz word) take?

Until the 'personal responsibility' crowd get out of the way and let governement close the gap.

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Any qualified Cheese can walk into a job... plenty of 'em here... and any sort of part qualified one can walk into a job with public service.....

There's the catch; government has failed to eradicate the dysfunction in the communities, to permit all to be engaged in the economy; as noted above the reasons for this sad reality can be sheeted home to the 'personal responsibility' crowd.

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No More Excuses! The opportunities are out there somewhere - go get them. Do you somehow imagine that I, as an orphan on his own at fifteen, didn't have to travel and take any job I could get to eat?

What makes the Cheeses so special apart from their recalcitrance?

The confusion and trauma of being drawn between two incompatible economic/cultural systems.

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Reply #1203 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 9:19pm

You've been told - governments have been trying for several generations now to no avail.

What is your problem with somehow expecting a government to sweep in and just fix the whole deal, without the willing compliance of those involved?

You DO understand that personal responsibility includes accepting willingly to do something in your own best interests, don't you? How do you propose to get the Cheese who lives on the beach, has a boat supplied by government, gets cash every fortnight in his bank account, and can drink rum and beer to his heart's content, to actually go out and get a trade and take on a job five or more days a week?

Comparative poverty - those on unemployment benefits in the cities who have no support network live on the noodle and charity meal diet - they don't get supplies trucked in and supplement their diet with fresh fish and other seafood..... caught from a boat with equipment supplied by the government, or a rifle for fresh meat, or a Land Cruiser to get there to do it.

Why would you expect a Cheese to give up that idyllic lifestyle to take on a foolish White Man's job at least five days a week and involving work?

Are you a CCP stooge or something?

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Ron Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 86 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1204 - Sep 28^th, 2022 at 10:12pm Yes, abo's have the same opportunities as the rest of us but they choose to get pissed and smoke ciggies rather than feed their kids. Massive money has been poured into trying to bring them out of the stone age, all to no avail.
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1205 - Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:29am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Sep 21^st, 2022 at 5:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 21^st, 2022 at 5:39pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 21^st, 2022 at 4:17pm:

How many voices do Aborigines have? They can't agree among themselves so how will they have one voice?

The whole Voice to parliament wheeze is already buckling under its own contradictions.

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Please don't reference that hypocritical white Aboriginal Lydia Thorpe.

She's just a hateful divisive bitch now on the public purse because of those imbecile woke Greens.

You mean a decent person, who is of aboriginal descent, and triggers scum?

Did you know Greens got record votes and seats? It's happening. Boomers are dying and more and more kids are voting

Calling her decent shows just how deluded you are.....

everybody dies dickhead ... even egotistical phukkwits like you...

your not far behind any Boomer

and who knows you may go first .......please.

Take heart that the majority of sensible Australians see through the stupidity & hypocrisy of the Greens.

Record votes? Grin

They have 1 HOR MP..... an increase of zero.

They have an increase in the number of Senators(6) only .... going from 3 to 9 out of a total of 76.

And all city slicker latte sipping chardonay socialist wankers.

Except for Thorpe who's a nasty lying divisive POS like you.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1206 - Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:31am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 12:42pm:

Lividia's education - she and her screaming ninnies smeared fake blood on the coat of arms of the jeweller Cartier, thinking (if that's the word I want in their case) it's the British Royal Crest. That's how fkkn stupid and brimming with seething hatred they are.

I would honestly vote for her just to watch you cry

Yeah well you don't deserve the right to vote.

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Reply #1207 - Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:33am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 1:51pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 1:33pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 12:42pm:

Lividia's education - she and her screaming ninnies smeared fake blood on the coat of arms of the jeweller Cartier, thinking (if that's the word I want in their case) it's the British Royal Crest. That's how fkkn stupid and brimming with seething hatred they are.

I would honestly vote for her just to watch you cry

Course you would, you are just as fkkn stupid and brimming with seething hatred as they are.

Look, we both hate rascism, fascism and scum. I'll cop to that

But she is a racist & is scum .... you silly boy.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1208 - Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:35am

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

Ron wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 5:30pm:

AusGeoff, I'll make an exception this time and provide information on well known facts that in future you can research yourself.

"On a per person basis, government welfare expenditure was $13,968 per Indigenous Australian, compared with $6,019 per non-Indigenous Australian in 2012–13—this equates to expenditure of $2.32 per Indigenous person for every $1.00 spent per non-Indigenous person".

I would suggest the figure is likely to be a lot higher today.
I understand that lefties like yourself don't deal in facts and reality but only emotions and feel good stuff that feed your impossible utopian vision of the world.

On a per person basis?

Yes, well c.200,000 blacks are WAY MORE disadvantaged than c.24 million non-blacks, due to the complexity of transistioning an illiterate hunter-gatherer economy into the modern economy.

200,000????? - where did that figure come from?

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1209 - Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:38am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 9:19pm:

You've been told - governments have been trying for several generations now to no avail.

And you have been told governments have avoided creating the appropriate jobs necessary - ie, outside the conventional market economy - to enable a successful transition between cultures, except for the period 1977 to 2007 when the CDEP proved it was able to engage blacks in steady employment for the benefit of individuals and the communiiy.

But of course the CDEP was destroyed by conservative market economy ideologues like you who insist the public sector (government) should have no role in work creation schemes.

And that false belief is founded in the current monetary orthodoxy which forbids governments from creating money in central banks to fund such schemes.

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What is your problem...

It's increasingly YOUR problem, as the market economy increasingly fails to foster community prosperity for all of us, not just blacks who are already disadvantaged by a 'culture shock' in the modern economy, but also people who can't afford housing, as housing ownership is falling and homelessness is increasing, even in the non-black community. .

"It's the economy, stupid"

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Reply #1211 - Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:47am

Gnads wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:35am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

Ron wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 5:30pm:

AusGeoff, I'll make an exception this time and provide information on well known facts that in future you can research yourself.

"On a per person basis, government welfare expenditure was $13,968 per Indigenous Australian, compared with $6,019 per non-Indigenous Australian in 2012–13—this equates to expenditure of $2.32 per Indigenous person for every $1.00 spent per non-Indigenous person".

I would suggest the figure is likely to be a lot higher today.
I understand that lefties like yourself don't deal in facts and reality but only emotions and feel good stuff that feed your impossible utopian vision of the world.

On a per person basis?

Yes, well c.200,000 blacks are WAY MORE disadvantaged than c.24 million non-blacks, due to the complexity of transistioning an illiterate hunter-gatherer economy into the modern economy.

200,000????? - where did that figure come from?

My estimate of the number of blacks on welfare, not including white 'blacks'.....

What's your estimate of the number of blacks on welfare, compared with the number of non-blacks on welfare, in Oz?

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1212 - Sep 30^th, 2022 at 8:44pm

“Give us what we want or you’re sexist/racist/transphobic… just generally bigotted.”

Of course it’s almost never true, it’s just a leftie distraction technique to cover up for half-baked policy and empty virtue signalling.

Like the Voice.

Already the left know they’re backing an empty vessel. A nice sounding idea without substance, use or need.

They’re already preparing their emotional blackmail to try and guilt well-meaning Aussies into voting for it.

One opinion writer even said: “What will be the consequences if the referendum fails? … The bottom line is that Indigenous souls would be broken.”

Ah yes. Support the Voice or break us forever – we’re that fragile!

Well what this bloke – and everyone arguing for the Voice – doesn’t seem to get is that no one – not you, not me, not ANYONE – could ever speak for all the “Indigenous souls”, and how they’d all react.

There are too many of us, living in many different circumstances, with many different backgrounds, in many different places.

We are all unique, we are individuals with our own ideas, opinions and voices – we do not all think the same way.

We are not all the same, waiting for guilty white Australians to pity, protect and patronise us.

What unites us is that we are all Australians.

We have our own voices and we’ve been using them for a while now.

So as the ads roll out, the op-eds heat up and Albo struts out more African-American spokesmen, keep an eye out for more leftist guilt tripping.

They want you to think that by opposing their radical position you’re nothing more than a racist and privileged bigot.

They want you to forget that the Voice is divisive and dangerous, they want you to forget the lack of detail they’ve provided, they want you to forget that you’re allowed a say in the future of your country.

They want you to forget so that they can do what they want, and they’ll use emotional blackmail to do it.

And while they’re figuring out which name to call you, REAL Australians will continue suffering from the REAL problems that the elites are ignoring.

Yours for REAL solutions,

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
Senator for the Northern Territory

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1213 - Sep 30^th, 2022 at 9:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:35am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

Ron wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 5:30pm:

AusGeoff, I'll make an exception this time and provide information on well known facts that in future you can research yourself.

"On a per person basis, government welfare expenditure was $13,968 per Indigenous Australian, compared with $6,019 per non-Indigenous Australian in 2012–13—this equates to expenditure of $2.32 per Indigenous person for every $1.00 spent per non-Indigenous person".

I would suggest the figure is likely to be a lot higher today.
I understand that lefties like yourself don't deal in facts and reality but only emotions and feel good stuff that feed your impossible utopian vision of the world.

On a per person basis?

Yes, well c.200,000 blacks are WAY MORE disadvantaged than c.24 million non-blacks, due to the complexity of transistioning an illiterate hunter-gatherer economy into the modern economy.

200,000????? - where did that figure come from?

My estimate of the number of blacks on welfare, not including white 'blacks'.....

What's your estimate of the number of blacks on welfare, compared with the number of non-blacks on welfare, in Oz?

Raw numbers or percentages on social security here? We don't do 'welfare' in Australia - we are a caring and sharing society which looks after its own in times of need.... an ethos rapidly fading as we speak, for many reasons.

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