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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #135 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:27pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:23pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:59pm:

I wonder why the bigots don't cry so much about mining companies and other big businesses having a voice in parliament.

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They don't - and they don't .... and they aren't. Mining companies have lobby groups same as the Abos and everyone else with some sense of self-interest... repeats - self-interest.

You started to get there yet? 'Til then you ain't nothin' but just another big-mouthed, swamp-runnin' NIQQER-LUVVAH!

if you think they have the same voice as lobby groups from big business then you're a moron. No one can compete with them.

What has that to do with mainstream Australia? They still have lobby groups that the majority do not have.... the majority are the Voiceless ones here.... always have been. You're a moron.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #136 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:16pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 9:07am:

As you said there is no necessity for a voice to parliament based on race.
It is a divisive path to take.

Correct - but the problem of aboriginals loving in 3rd world poverty, and the very real and shameful existence of 'the gap', is a national disgrace which must be solved.

So in other words more pandering/babying/ patronising..... yes?

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 31417 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #137 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:31pm John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:42pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 12:18pm: freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 10:11am: John is imagining you in a lather Gnads. Yeah that's a bit worrying get real, thats the best offer you've had in months No offense ... but yeah nah ... I'll pass.
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #138 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:34pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 12:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 10:11am:

John is imagining you in a lather Gnads.

Yeah that's a bit worrying Grin

get real, thats the best offer you've had in months Grin

No offense ... but yeah nah ... I'll pass. Wink

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #139 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:37pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 12:35pm:

Why is another idea necessary.

Because whats been done so far has failed

What part didn't you follow that this is just ATSIC wrapped in new clothes(name) ...

& yes like ignoring history ... it's going to repeat itself.

Ever wonder why in the last 80 or so years nothing/ no policy/program across both political party govts has actually worked?

Are you just blindly accepting this is something different never been tried before? Roll Eyes

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #141 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:43pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:59pm:

I wonder why the bigots don't cry so much about mining companies and other big businesses having a voice in parliament.

Roll Eyes

Because they don't have a voice in Parliament.

They have their associations(Unions) who lobby to govt on their behalf.

You know that.

and as best as I can tell at this stage, the most likely scenarios is that's all this 'voice' is in effect expected to be. A 'lobby group' who will advise on matters affecting aboriginal policy

the biggest difference to an actual lobby group is they won't have to bribe politicians to be heard.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #143 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:47pm

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A 'lobby group' who will advise on matters affecting aboriginal policy

You are assuming aborigines will choose their own representatives. The reality is they will be appointed by the government. They will advise the government on matters affecting the interests of the government and the institution of "the voice". It will be inherently corrupt from the beginning, and impossible to reform.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #144 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:50pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:59pm:

I wonder why the bigots don't cry so much about mining companies and other big businesses having a voice in parliament.

Roll Eyes

Because they don't have a voice in Parliament.

They have their associations(Unions) who lobby to govt on their behalf.

You know that.

and as best as I can tell at this stage, the most likely scenarios is that's all this 'voice' is in effect expected to be. A 'lobby group' who will advise on matters affecting aboriginal policy

the biggest difference to an actual lobby group is they won't have to bribe politicians to be heard.

Yeah just like ATSIC

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #145 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:51pm

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:47pm:

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A 'lobby group' who will advise on matters affecting aboriginal policy

You are assuming aborigines will choose their own representatives. The reality is they will be appointed by the government. They will advise the government on matters affecting the interests of the government and the institution of "the voice". It will be inherently corrupt from the beginning, and impossible to reform.

why would it be impossible to reform? Under the most likely scenario it will still be subject to parliament as to it's composition, make up and it's powers. If something doesn't work parliament can change it.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #146 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:54pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:59pm:

I wonder why the bigots don't cry so much about mining companies and other big businesses having a voice in parliament.

Roll Eyes

Because they don't have a voice in Parliament.

They have their associations(Unions) who lobby to govt on their behalf.

You know that.

and as best as I can tell at this stage, the most likely scenarios is that's all this 'voice' is in effect expected to be. A 'lobby group' who will advise on matters affecting aboriginal policy

the biggest difference to an actual lobby group is they won't have to bribe politicians to be heard.

Yeah just like ATSIC

no, unlike ATSIC, parliament won't be able to dissolve it. It can only change it's make up.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #147 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:55pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:54pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 1:59pm:

I wonder why the bigots don't cry so much about mining companies and other big businesses having a voice in parliament.

Roll Eyes

Because they don't have a voice in Parliament.

They have their associations(Unions) who lobby to govt on their behalf.

You know that.

and as best as I can tell at this stage, the most likely scenarios is that's all this 'voice' is in effect expected to be. A 'lobby group' who will advise on matters affecting aboriginal policy

the biggest difference to an actual lobby group is they won't have to bribe politicians to be heard.

Yeah just like ATSIC

no, unlike ATSIC, parliament won't be able to dissolve it. It can only change it's make up.

Yeah well that's no good if it ended up another failure.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #148 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 3:02pm

What will the Voice be able to say that the various Deparments of Aboriginal Affairs, staffed by Aborigines, with responsible Ministers (plus various Aboriginal land councils, cooperatives, peak bodies as well as universities, NGOs and Welfare agencies) have been unable to say to governments?

In short, what will be NEW and EFFECTIVE about the Voice?

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #149 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 3:04pm

Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 3:02pm:

What will the Voice be able to say that the various Deparments of Aboriginal Affairs, staffed by Aborigines, with responsible Ministers (plus various Aboriginal land councils, cooperatives, peak bodies as well as universities, NGOs and Welfare agencies) have been unable to say to governments?

In short, what will be NEW and EFFECTIVE about the Voice?

Well - they'll all have to be abolished, won't they?

In short - NOTHING! It's a silly idea from start to finish.

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