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Question: Will you vote for a separate Aboriginal Voice in Parliament?

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1275 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 9:15am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12th, 2022 at 8:02pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2022 at 8:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 11th, 2022 at 4:49pm:
So how does the community engender responsibility?



They ask the CCP to engender it for them.


No, the CCP merely has a goal of common prosperity; personal responsibility remains the purview of the individual, some of whom will need assistance - for any number of reasons.

Oz blacks have particular historical issues to deal with.   

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The CCP is the answer to every question. Communist government know everything and knows everything best.


Developing an economy which works for all is a desirable goal; whether the CCP has the "answers to everything" is beside the point. 

We know the current neoliberal economic orthodoxy is a disaster for the disadvantaged.


Well, get advantaged, then.


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Reply #1276 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 10:55am
 
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
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This is what life on a community like Yuendumu looks like. This is my grandmother, my elder who attended my swearing in of the 47th parliament of Australia, my grandmother that performed the Mala Jukurrpa ceremony to pass onto me her authority to speak in parliament, my grandfathers sister and one of the last of her generation.
She has not been respected or acknowledged as an elder at Yuendumu she was instead recently violently attacked by a woman younger than her. Her head was split open and she had to be transfered to hospital. My cousin’s four year old son the great grandchild of my grandmother has been threatened with violence by older children. They’ve threatened to stab him many times.
The self appointed elders of Yuendumu who call for no more guns in community don’t call for an end to this violence. Community lead violence is ignored and at times even encouraged.
Imagine a grandmother being violently attacked in front of you in the streets of Mossman, Surry Hills, Brunswick, Northcote, Westend or any other leafy green suburb. Imagine this was your grandmother or your four year old son.
The violence has to stop and Australians across the country must demand better for grandmothers like mine who are out of sight and out of mind. It’s not good enough that vulnerable Australian women, children and men suffer because their suffering makes a hand full of people feel offended if it’s brought to their attention.
It’s not good enough to ignore the maimed and battered because privileged “First Nations” people feel uncomfortable about the reality of black on black violence. Grandstanding over hurt feelings ensures the violence continues.
The main stream media remain complicit in ignoring this violence while pandering to the offended.
I want the violence to STOP! I want communities to be safer! This is EVERYONES responsibility!
You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!
Listen to her VOICE!!!


Time to stop the bs tokenism & start listening to the real voices about the real issues......

take note all the woke SJW wankers in here.
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Reply #1277 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 11:07am
 
That's exactly the sort of 'key performance indicator' Albo started off talking about, now conveniently forgotten in the stampede ... even the use of such a school-marm-ish term makes me shudder, let alone the simple reality of ever seeing any such thing happen.

The bullying, stand-over and violence just goes on and on - and as one Indigenous lady said - will be the same for those who want control of the 'voice'.

Address the real problems, Albo - enough of strutting the world stage ...

KPIs my arse .....
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Reply #1278 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 11:33am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 10:55am:
Jacint Price: "The violence has to stop and Australians across the country must demand better for grandmothers like mine who are out of sight and out of mind. It’s not good enough that vulnerable Australian women, children and men suffer because their suffering makes a hand full of people feel offended if it’s brought to their attention.
It’s not good enough to ignore the maimed and battered because privileged “First Nations” people feel uncomfortable about the reality of black on black violence. Grandstanding over hurt feelings ensures the violence continues.
The main stream media remain complicit in ignoring this violence while pandering to the offended.
I want the violence to STOP! I want communities to be safer! This is EVERYONES responsibility!
You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!
Listen to her VOICE!!!


So how does Price plan to engender responsibility in dysfunctional communities mired in alcoholism, violence  and unemployment?

The CWC is one policy, but that doesn't deal with the unemployment problem.

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Time to stop the bs tokenism & start listening to the real voices about the real issues......



yes, and in this case, Price is demanding responsibility from everyone, without acknowledging many are mired in unemployment. It's difficult to maintain personal morale and self-respect, when forced to subsist on 'sit down money', using alcohol to drown what the individual perceives as a useless existence.

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take note all the woke SJW wankers in here.


I take note that you, like Price, simply demand 'personal responsibility' from everyone, no matter their personal circumstances.

You are part of the problem. 
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Reply #1279 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 11:36am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 11:07am:
That's exactly the sort of 'key performance indicator' Albo started off talking about, now conveniently forgotten in the stampede ... even the use of such a school-marm-ish term makes me shudder, let alone the simple reality of ever seeing any such thing happen.

The bullying, stand-over and violence just goes on and on - and as one Indigenous lady said - will be the same for those who want control of the 'voice'.

Address the real problems, Albo - enough of strutting the world stage ...

KPIs my arse .....


And how should  Albo  address the "real problems",  may I ask?
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1280 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 11:39am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 11:33am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 10:55am:
Jacint Price: "The violence has to stop and Australians across the country must demand better for grandmothers like mine who are out of sight and out of mind. It’s not good enough that vulnerable Australian women, children and men suffer because their suffering makes a hand full of people feel offended if it’s brought to their attention.
It’s not good enough to ignore the maimed and battered because privileged “First Nations” people feel uncomfortable about the reality of black on black violence. Grandstanding over hurt feelings ensures the violence continues.
The main stream media remain complicit in ignoring this violence while pandering to the offended.
I want the violence to STOP! I want communities to be safer! This is EVERYONES responsibility!
You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!
Listen to her VOICE!!!


So how does Price plan to engender responsibility in dysfunctional communities mired in alcoholism, violence  and unemployment?

The CWC is one policy, but that doesn't deal with the unemployment problem.

Quote:
Time to stop the bs tokenism & start listening to the real voices about the real issues......



yes, and in this case, Price is demanding responsibility from everyone, without acknowledging many are mired in unemployment. It's difficult to maintain personal morale and self-respect, when forced to subsist on 'sit down money', using alcohol to drown what the individual perceives as a useless existence.

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take note all the woke SJW wankers in here.


I take note that you, like Price, simply demand 'personal responsibility' from everyone, no matter their personal circumstances.

You are part of the problem. 


How does anyone - that is the real question...... still waiting for the definitive solution... other than some Final Solution...

On the other hand, individuals should, like adults in the modern world, take responsibility for their violent behaviour and do something to keep control of themselves before attacking old ladies and so forth ... that's personal responsibility for a start...

So - solutions please!  Lock up all the wrongdoers?  Been tried - look at the endless screeching about 'scrimination, wacism, and 'deaths' in custody..... all supported by the Idiot Gallery out here in Mainstream Australia who don't know one thing about it.

Where ya gonna find all the jobs?  Out there in Woop-Woopland?  How ya gonna get 'em to go to school?  How ya gonna get 'em stop stop boozing etc?

Everything has been tried and the only solution left is the re-education camp or just total abandonment to their own devices.
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1281 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 11:54am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 10:55am:
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
- Senator for the NT

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This is what life on a community like Yuendumu looks like. This is my grandmother, my elder who attended my swearing in of the 47th parliament of Australia, my grandmother that performed the Mala Jukurrpa ceremony to pass onto me her authority to speak in parliament, my grandfathers sister and one of the last of her generation.
She has not been respected or acknowledged as an elder at Yuendumu she was instead recently violently attacked by a woman younger than her. Her head was split open and she had to be transfered to hospital. My cousin’s four year old son the great grandchild of my grandmother has been threatened with violence by older children. They’ve threatened to stab him many times.
The self appointed elders of Yuendumu who call for no more guns in community don’t call for an end to this violence. Community lead violence is ignored and at times even encouraged.
Imagine a grandmother being violently attacked in front of you in the streets of Mossman, Surry Hills, Brunswick, Northcote, Westend or any other leafy green suburb. Imagine this was your grandmother or your four year old son.
The violence has to stop and Australians across the country must demand better for grandmothers like mine who are out of sight and out of mind. It’s not good enough that vulnerable Australian women, children and men suffer because their suffering makes a hand full of people feel offended if it’s brought to their attention.
It’s not good enough to ignore the maimed and battered because privileged “First Nations” people feel uncomfortable about the reality of black on black violence. Grandstanding over hurt feelings ensures the violence continues.
The main stream media remain complicit in ignoring this violence while pandering to the offended.
I want the violence to STOP! I want communities to be safer! This is EVERYONES responsibility!
You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!
Listen to her VOICE!!!


Time to stop the bs tokenism & start listening to the real voices about the real issues......

take note all the woke SJW wankers in here.


I have seen this countless times - driven the ambulance and was a first responder to this sort of violence against women and children.

It makes me sick just to look at it.

It smells bad as well - bless their hearts
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Reply #1282 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 12:40pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 11:39am:
How does anyone - that is the real question...... still waiting for the definitive solution... other than some Final Solution...


You think attainment of full employment requires a "Final Solution"? 

Pathetic , like I already noted, you are uneducable.

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On the other hand, individuals should, like adults in the modern world, take responsibility for their violent behaviour and do something to keep control of themselves before attacking old ladies and so forth ... that's personal responsibility for a start...


Indeed they should, but that's not how the human animal works; outside teaching, correction, and assistance to change (eg, and help with secure employment)  may be required.

btw you never acknowledged the NATTSIS report on reduction of crime and alcoholism among CDEP participants.

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On the other hand, individuals should, like adults in the modern world, take responsibility for their violent behaviour and do something to keep control of themselves before attacking old ladies and so forth ... that's personal responsibility for a start..


Addressed above you blind uneducable fool.... consistent with the doctrine of legal "defensive" war which saw you murdering babies in Vietnam...and now want to write a book about it...

[Gloves off now, Pascal is well aware of your flawed powers of analysis: "a sewer of error and doubt ('certainty') in your case) ...and the refuse of the universe".... baby killer.


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So - solutions please!  Lock up all the wrongdoers?  Been tried - look at the endless screeching about 'scrimination, wacism, and 'deaths' in custody.....


Obviously not, incarceration never solves entrenched social problems, only sweeps them under the carpet. 

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all supported by the Idiot Gallery out here in Mainstream Australia who don't know one thing about it.


Yes, but the cause, namely, government  commitment to a dysfunctional neoliberal orthodoxy, is not recognized by you. 

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Where ya gonna find all the jobs?


See...you uneducable fool... CDEP

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Out there in Woop-Woopland?  How ya gonna get 'em to go to school?  How ya gonna get 'em stop stop boozing etc?


NATSISS , and reduction in crime and alcoholism among CDEP participants ...you uneducable fool.

Acknowledge that research and I might withdraw the personal abuse  (though the pejorative term "baby killer" is not my invention....)

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Everything has been tried and the only solution left is the re-education camp or just total abandonment to their own devices.


The former CDEP proves you wrong, you uneducable fool.  Just because you are mired in neoliberal economic orthodoxy is no excuse.
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Reply #1283 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 3:10pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 11:33am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 10:55am:
Jacint Price: "The violence has to stop and Australians across the country must demand better for grandmothers like mine who are out of sight and out of mind. It’s not good enough that vulnerable Australian women, children and men suffer because their suffering makes a hand full of people feel offended if it’s brought to their attention.
It’s not good enough to ignore the maimed and battered because privileged “First Nations” people feel uncomfortable about the reality of black on black violence. Grandstanding over hurt feelings ensures the violence continues.
The main stream media remain complicit in ignoring this violence while pandering to the offended.
I want the violence to STOP! I want communities to be safer! This is EVERYONES responsibility!
You want TRUTH TELLING then start telling the TRUTH!
Listen to her VOICE!!!


So how does Price plan to engender responsibility in dysfunctional communities mired in alcoholism, violence  and unemployment?

The CWC is one policy, but that doesn't deal with the unemployment problem.

Quote:
Time to stop the bs tokenism & start listening to the real voices about the real issues......



yes, and in this case, Price is demanding responsibility from everyone, without acknowledging many are mired in unemployment. It's difficult to maintain personal morale and self-respect, when forced to subsist on 'sit down money', using alcohol to drown what the individual perceives as a useless existence.

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take note all the woke SJW wankers in here.


I take note that you, like Price, simply demand 'personal responsibility' from everyone, no matter their personal circumstances.

You are part of the problem. 



If you could create a swag of jobs in those communities right now .... they wouldn't work & the violence & alcoholism & drug abuse would continue.

No GD - you're part of the problem because all you do is waffle ideals - like reintroduction of the CDEP.

What actual jobs are you talking about?
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Reply #1284 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 7:22pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 12:40pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 11:39am:
How does anyone - that is the real question...... still waiting for the definitive solution... other than some Final Solution...


You think attainment of full employment requires a "Final Solution"? 

Pathetic , like I already noted, you are uneducable.

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On the other hand, individuals should, like adults in the modern world, take responsibility for their violent behaviour and do something to keep control of themselves before attacking old ladies and so forth ... that's personal responsibility for a start...


Indeed they should, but that's not how the human animal works; outside teaching, correction, and assistance to change (eg, and help with secure employment)  may be required.

btw you never acknowledged the NATTSIS report on reduction of crime and alcoholism among CDEP participants.

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On the other hand, individuals should, like adults in the modern world, take responsibility for their violent behaviour and do something to keep control of themselves before attacking old ladies and so forth ... that's personal responsibility for a start..


Addressed above you blind uneducable fool.... consistent with the doctrine of legal "defensive" war which saw you murdering babies in Vietnam...and now want to write a book about it...

[Gloves off now, Pascal is well aware of your flawed powers of analysis: "a sewer of error and doubt ('certainty') in your case) ...and the refuse of the universe".... baby killer.


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So - solutions please!  Lock up all the wrongdoers?  Been tried - look at the endless screeching about 'scrimination, wacism, and 'deaths' in custody.....


Obviously not, incarceration never solves entrenched social problems, only sweeps them under the carpet. 

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all supported by the Idiot Gallery out here in Mainstream Australia who don't know one thing about it.


Yes, but the cause, namely, government  commitment to a dysfunctional neoliberal orthodoxy, is not recognized by you. 

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Where ya gonna find all the jobs?


See...you uneducable fool... CDEP

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Out there in Woop-Woopland?  How ya gonna get 'em to go to school?  How ya gonna get 'em stop stop boozing etc?


NATSISS , and reduction in crime and alcoholism among CDEP participants ...you uneducable fool.

Acknowledge that research and I might withdraw the personal abuse  (though the pejorative term "baby killer" is not my invention....)

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Everything has been tried and the only solution left is the re-education camp or just total abandonment to their own devices.


The former CDEP proves you wrong, you uneducable fool.  Just because you are mired in neoliberal economic orthodoxy is no excuse.



Now THAT is a mantle I will wear with pride!!

You have been told, it must be five hundred times by now - that NONE of the initiatives tried in the past has worked - yet you keep pounding that same old way over and over.... One More Wearisome Time - if you beloved CDEP was so successful - WHERE ARE THE LONG TERM BENEFITS?

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Reply #1285 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 7:28pm
 
"Addressed above you blind uneducable fool.... consistent with the doctrine of legal "defensive" war which saw you murdering babies in Vietnam...and now want to write a book about it...

[Gloves off now, Pascal is well aware of your flawed powers of analysis: "a sewer of error and doubt ('certainty') in your case) ...and the refuse of the universe".... baby killer."


Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

1978?  No babies murdered there.... only terrible people who were doing terrible things to detainees under the new regime - men women and children...... including murdering them.

Why - oh why - did your father forget the condom?  Cry  Cry  Cry    Undecided  Undecided  Undecided

Footnote:-  There's the title - simple and straight to the point .... 1978.
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Reply #1286 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 7:39pm
 
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Reply #1287 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 8:43pm
 
All the Leftie Crackpots should go work for the Health Department at Yuendumu

You would love it - all the special people - listen the Voice as they scream abuse while they bash rape and murder.

Of course you will be in danger yourself - but you would just love that.

No sipping Lattes in the Inner City and believing you have all the answers in Yunendumu.

There will be blood

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Reply #1288 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 8:56pm
 
Boris wrote on Oct 13th, 2022 at 8:43pm:
All the Leftie Crackpots should go work for the Health Department at Yuendumu

You would love it - all the special people - listen the Voice as they scream abuse while they bash rape and murder.

Of course you will be in danger yourself - but you would just love that.

No sipping Lattes in the Inner City and believing you have all the answers in Yunendumu.

There will be blood


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Careful - that little prick random mad a scurrilous KKK thing about me when I said that Black activism would end in civil war and people will die.... he twisted that into my saying that White Australia would wipe out the Blacks if they kept going.... little bastard hasn't apologised yet, either.

Somebody tell him I have an elephant's memory for people who insult me....

People simply will not accept the realities of life out there and how bad it can be.
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Reply #1289 - Oct 13th, 2022 at 9:56pm
 
A Green part Abbo Senator asking Pauline for help what is going on here?

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