Bobby. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2022 at 3:52pm:


Bobby: pay attention.

I am not throwing around any allegations, on any day.

The 13-year-old girls made the allegations, not me.

All I'm doing is stating the idisputable facts:

It is alleged that Donald J. Trump, along with close friend and convicted child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, raped a 13-year-old girl and then threatened to kill her and her family if she told anyone.

Moreover, I have provided evidence of these allegations in the form of official New York court documents.

Once again: I'm not making the allegations - I'm just showing you that the allegations have been made.

Donald J. Trump is an alleged child rapist.  This is indisputable.

Now, Xavier called me an '"alleged" paedophile' without providing any proof of the alleged allegation.

No court documents, no statements from anyone, nothing.

Not even the name of the alleged person who allegedly made these allegations against me.

Do you think that's acceptable?

John Smith wrote on Jun 29^th, 2022 at 2:59pm:


Okay. But, even I agree with Bobby's assessment of Jasin. Jasin seems to want to imply that it is alright to call greg an alleged paedophile because greg has made allegations against Trump. So far, neither can be proven. It just seems that Lisa is the main culprit in all this.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 29^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:


I'll keep saying this until the message gets through.

I have not made any allegations against Trump.

Not today, not yesterday, not ever.

The allegations were made by the alleged victims - not me.

All I have done is state the indisputable facts:

a) Trump has been accused of raping a child and threatening to kill her and her family if she told anyone.

b) These allegations come in the form of official court documents.

This isn't me making an allegation. 

This isn't me giving an opinion.

This is me stating an indisputable fact.

John Smith wrote on Jun 29^th, 2022 at 3:44pm:


Greg is repeating what is reported in the media. And the media is not a first-hand account of what happened. It comes down to evidence. If someone is convicted of sex trafficking, the convicted still has an appeal process to make, if applicable.

I can be okay with greg calling Trump an alleged paedophile, only if there is a complaint against him. No complaint has been made against greg being an alleged paedophile. So, Jasin should shut it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2022 at 4:33pm:


Oh, the "alleged" victim. And given that the age of the "alleged" victim is so young, I think we can hold off any allegations until the courts find a reason to trial Mr Trump. I do not like Mr Trump any more than most people. But, I will give him the benefit of the doubt until a court of good standing finds him guilty of rape. Rotsa ruck on that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2022 at 4:43pm:


The thing is, you do not know the alleged victims to make that assessment. Did you hear it from her directly? Has she made a statement on camera in a courtroom or police station to verify that she made these statements? Until proceeding can be made against Trump -- (rotsa ruck on that) -- nothing can be said about the allegation. Why do these allegations take place during a presidency and not just after the incident has taken place?

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That you have the "official court documents" at your disposal, do you? There are incidences in the past where two differing official documents were presented to the public before a court hearing. I came down to whoever was the more credible professional during the court proceedings. Do not write off possible fraud of "official court documents" simply because you feel sorry for an "alleged victim".

Okay, despite what some might think, I don't actually like seeing people banned here.

However, Xavier and Lisa pushed the boundaries today.

I'm going to explain this one more time, in the hope that it will prevent people from ever being banned for this sort of thing.

Okay, here we go ...

When I say Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist, I am stating a fact. I am doing absolutely nothing wrong.

i.e. he has been accused of raping a child, and there is proof of the allegation.

Not proof of the rape - proof of the allegation being made.

I have never, ever said that he is guilty of the crime.

Moreover, I have never made the allegation - the alleged victim is the one who made the allegation.

Now, when Xavier calls me an alleged paedophile, that's an outright lie - there is no evidence whatsoever that anyone has ever accused me of being a paedophile.

Similarly, Lisa is telling a lie when she calls Clinton a paedophile - where's the proof?

This sort of thing will get you banned, and I don't like bans.

Hopefully Xavier will read this and understand the difference between reporting on an allegation (which is what I do) and making an allegation (which is what Xavier did).

I have no idea if Xavier or Lisa will be banned for their disgusting behaviour, and I'm not that bothered.

I'm locking the thread, and leaving it at that.

Again - I don't like seeing people banned (unless they continually cross the line after being warned).