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Re: Trans 'Be yourself' freedom
Reply #60 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 6:49am

mothra wrote on Jun 28^th, 2022 at 12:08am:

Linus welcome to the forum. It's wonderful to have you here.

I don't think Linus is a Troll like FutureLeftWank,
just because he's dissagreeing with Grapps.
He has points.
You've already claimed one tortured unhappy vile soul to drag back to Monk's dungeon of mental rape and abuse.
Begone you Germaine Greer wannabe!
Before I cast you down into the fiery depths of hell filled with naked buff male Chippendales pumped with viagra and brains like sex-crazed Rednecks like AiA.

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Reply #61 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 8:15am

Personally, I don't have any issues with transgenderism. Surely
all people should be able to do with their own bodies what they
feel is appropriate to their state of mind and well-being? The
issue of sex reassignment also overlaps to a degree with the issue
of abortion rights. That is, the right of a woman to do with her
body as she sees fit. Why then does this not apply to a person
who perceives themselves—psychologically—as living in a physical
body matching the opposite sex?

And why do so many heterosexual individuals (apparently) feel
so threatened by even the notion of transgenderism—let alone
the actuality?

As long as their actions are within the law and don't impinge on
my societal rights, why should I care? Live and let live I say.
There are far, far more critical issues affecting our lives than the
sex reassignment of a tiny proportion of individuals in our society.

The 2016 Census counted 1,260 gender diverse people in
Australia, which equates to approximately 0.007% of the
adult (19+ years) population.

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Trans 'Be yourself' freedom Reply #62 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 8:15am Trans 'Be yourself' freedom - pffft Trans freaks can dance around provocatively and half naked in front of kids because the gay media says so, anyone else would be locked up and have the crap beaten out of them every day.
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Re: Trans 'Be yourself' freedom
Reply #63 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 8:40am

mothra wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:29pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 5:21pm:

And if he can transition a Media to transition Politics to accept his transition -

he gets to live out his illusion that he is a woman

especially when a Medical Industry in a nation more apt at winning wars, gives him the 'mutated' mutilational attempts to make it appear real.

And just how does that affect you or your day-to-day existence in any way?

It simply doesn't.

So why do some of you get your panties so twisted just because someone wants to be themselves?

It's utterly beyond me why they care. I've never understood it.

There's the crazed religious position of course but this doesn't cover all of it.

My best guess is they're terrified they're going to be attracted to a Trans woman and have to question their fragile masculinity.

I'm not religious.

And your guess is just that... a speculative assumptive guess.

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Re: Trans 'Be yourself' freedom
Reply #64 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 8:46am

Kat wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:28pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 5:44pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 5:40pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 5:38pm:

They belong down sideshow alley in the freak tent.

What's with the getting 1/2 naked bit, it's all about sex sex and more sex with them.

That's right Mr Walker. It's a 'sex addiction'.

I will go one step further and say they are all debauched perverts in panties.

And that would definitely be a step too far.

It has no basis in fact, and is the product of tiny, sick minds.

Tell me why it's a necessity to take children to a Drag Club & exactly why those in drag think it's necessary to perform for children?

I'm fairly sure I saw people in the crowd giving the performer money like they would do in a strip club.

So I take it you think early child education into that sort of thing is a necessity?

Not that they can't learn about that sort of thing when they're older..... like everyone else has for millennia. Roll Eyes

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Re: Trans 'Be yourself' freedom
Reply #65 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 8:50am

Linus wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:44pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:44am:

If a man 'feels' that he is a woman and wants to 'transition' to being a woman, firstly such a thing is not possible, since he can never have the basic equipment that a woman has.

Vaginoplasty

During a vaginoplasty surgery, a surgeon creates both an outer and inner vagina by using skin and tissue from a penis.

Your surgeon will use skin from the penis and scrotum to build the inner and outer labia of the vagina
Your surgeon will create a new opening for the urethra (so you can urinate)
Your surgeon will use tissue from your foreskin to build the new opening of the vagina (also called the introitus).

Vaginoplasty Procedure

During most vaginoplasties, your surgeon will use a skin graft to create a new vaginal canal (the inside wall of the vagina). To do this, your surgeon will take skin from your scrotum and thin it so it works well as a skin graft.

If there’s not enough skin from your scrotum to make your new vagina, then your surgeon can take extra skin from the sides of your abdomen where there won’t be a very noticeable scar.

To make your new vaginal canal, your surgeon will create a space between your rectum and bladder. Once your skin graft is inserted, your surgeon will place gauze or spongy material inside the new vaginal canal for 5 days. The gauze puts pressure on the skin graft so it grows like it should into the surrounding vaginal tissue.
Vaginoplasty & Orgasms

Many transfeminine people wonder if they’ll still be able to have orgasms after having a vaginoplasty.

Your surgeon will use skin from your penis to create a clitoris. This clitoris still has feeling, and most transgender women can have orgasm through clitoral stimulation.
How Long Will I Be in the Hospital After Vaginoplasty?

Patients are in the hospital for five days and mostly rest in bed. Resting will help your skin graft grow into the surrounding tissue in your vaginal canal.

Your surgeon will also place a compressive bandage on the outside of your vagina. After the outer and inner bandages are removed, most patients feel fine and can leave the hospital.
When Should I Start to Dilate my Vagina After Vaginoplasty?

Each patient’s situation is different, but we recommend waiting two weeks after your surgery before you start dilating your vagina. Waiting two weeks will let your vagina heal.

Your surgeon will give you vaginal dilators to use at home. You should dilate your vagina two to three times each day for the first six months after your surgery.

Read this instruction sheet on how to dilate your vagina after having a vaginoplasty.

https://healthcare.utah.edu/transgender-health/gender-affirmation-surgery/vagino
plasty.php

The Grappler hasn't come down from the trees yet.

This is the 21st century.

So what happens to a circumcised Trans without a foreskin? Grin

Material supply would have to be stretched ey? Grin

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Re: Trans 'Be yourself' freedom
Reply #66 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 8:57am

Linus wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 10:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 10:05pm:

Linus wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:44pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:44am:

If a man 'feels' that he is a woman and wants to 'transition' to being a woman, firstly such a thing is not possible, since he can never have the basic equipment that a woman has.

Vaginoplasty

During a vaginoplasty surgery, a surgeon creates both an outer and inner vagina by using skin and tissue from a penis.

Your surgeon will use skin from the penis and scrotum to build the inner and outer labia of the vagina
Your surgeon will create a new opening for the urethra (so you can urinate)
Your surgeon will use tissue from your foreskin to build the new opening of the vagina (also called the introitus).

Vaginoplasty Procedure

During most vaginoplasties, your surgeon will use a skin graft to create a new vaginal canal (the inside wall of the vagina). To do this, your surgeon will take skin from your scrotum and thin it so it works well as a skin graft.

If there’s not enough skin from your scrotum to make your new vagina, then your surgeon can take extra skin from the sides of your abdomen where there won’t be a very noticeable scar.

To make your new vaginal canal, your surgeon will create a space between your rectum and bladder. Once your skin graft is inserted, your surgeon will place gauze or spongy material inside the new vaginal canal for 5 days. The gauze puts pressure on the skin graft so it grows like it should into the surrounding vaginal tissue.
Vaginoplasty & Orgasms

Many transfeminine people wonder if they’ll still be able to have orgasms after having a vaginoplasty.

Your surgeon will use skin from your penis to create a clitoris. This clitoris still has feeling, and most transgender women can have orgasm through clitoral stimulation.
How Long Will I Be in the Hospital After Vaginoplasty?

Patients are in the hospital for five days and mostly rest in bed. Resting will help your skin graft grow into the surrounding tissue in your vaginal canal.

Your surgeon will also place a compressive bandage on the outside of your vagina. After the outer and inner bandages are removed, most patients feel fine and can leave the hospital.
When Should I Start to Dilate my Vagina After Vaginoplasty?

Each patient’s situation is different, but we recommend waiting two weeks after your surgery before you start dilating your vagina. Waiting two weeks will let your vagina heal.

Your surgeon will give you vaginal dilators to use at home. You should dilate your vagina two to three times each day for the first six months after your surgery.

Read this instruction sheet on how to dilate your vagina after having a vaginoplasty.

https://healthcare.utah.edu/transgender-health/gender-affirmation-surgery/vagino
plasty.php

The Grappler hasn't come down from the trees yet.

This is the 21st century.

Why then is it a common complaint among that type that they experience no sexual pleasure?

Skin alone does not possess all those nerve ending... you need the flesh just inside as well.

When are YOU going to come down from the trees, child, and learn that not all you read is the truth.

What exactly is it that you are attempting to refer to in your puerile attempt to place this on me?

Link me...

Come in, smart kid - I've got more!

Quoted and linked. Read slowly.

"Your surgeon will use skin from your penis to create a clitoris. [highlight]This clitoris still has feeling, and most transgender women can have orgasm through clitoral stimulation.
[/highlight]
You must use echo-location to swing through those trees. Roll Eyes

Yeah you keep believing that.

Orgasm through clitoral stimulation ey? Grin

It isn't a real one it's a facsimile.

And after all that surgery & scar tissue - it may work to some affect but more chance it won't.

The rest is just a hole in your groin

like a stoma for a colostomy bag. Roll Eyes

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Re: Trans 'Be yourself' freedom
Reply #67 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 9:11am

Linus wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 11:18pm:

Hmm, it seems that I can't quote all your bloviating,Grappler ,and still reply. Well, matey, you didn't specify what you meant by "basic equipment". And then you seemed to follow how I read it. You then seemed to have accepted this reading by arguing trans women couldn't orgasm. This was, of course, false for most.

So, now you've redefined or, shall we say, shifted the goalposts. So now what you mean by "basic equipment" is the uterus. That's irrelevant but in any case, if the medicos can give them functioning vaginas, they probably will, in the future, be able to give them a womb. And with the rate at which genetic engineering is progressing, they'll be able to address all your nitpicking. In the meantime, what's it to you whether they feel they are women and want to be treated that way? Each to his/her own. Live and let live.

By the way, you're happy to toss around 'idiot", yet you cry like a baby when I said you must use "echo-location". What a snowflake!!! Roll Eyes

What's your definition of a functioning vagina?

Seems to me that your definition equates to nothing more than a hole used for sexual activity.

But a real vagina is much more than that is it not?

And going by the operative photos of the procedure I can see why there are no post op - fully healed photos ...... the scarring would be horrendous.

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Reply #69 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 9:30am

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 28^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

Personally, I don't have any issues with transgenderism. Surely
all people should be able to do with their own bodies what they
feel is appropriate to their state of mind and well-being? The
issue of sex reassignment also overlaps to a degree with the issue
of abortion rights. That is, the right of a woman to do with her
body as she sees fit. Why then does this not apply to a person
who perceives themselves—psychologically—as living in a physical
body matching the opposite sex?

And why do so many heterosexual individuals (apparently) feel
so threatened by even the notion of transgenderism—let alone
the actuality?

As long as their actions are within the law and don't impinge on
my societal rights, why should I care? Live and let live I say.
There are far, far more critical issues affecting our lives than the
sex reassignment of a tiny proportion of individuals in our society.

The 2016 Census counted 1,260 gender diverse people in
Australia, which equates to approximately 0.007% of the
adult (19+ years) population.

So Geoff when trans women insist that they are women & want to compete on the sporting field with real biological women & then rules are changed or written in for their inclusion ....

you don't think that's impinging on the societal rights of others?

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Reply #70 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 9:34am

Johnnie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

Trans 'Be yourself' freedom - pffft

Trans freaks can dance around provocatively and half naked in front of kids

because the gay media says so, anyone else would be locked up and have the crap beaten out of them every day.

An outright transphobic lie, as has been demonstrated repeatedly.

Stats simply do not bear this out - quite the opposite in fact.

This only occurs in the imagination of those with tiny, sick minds.

You lost any shred of credibility when you referred to them as 'freaks'.

They are not.

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Reply #71 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 9:41am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 11:55pm:

So, Linus - you're all good with transvestite strip shows (semi-strip) for small children in night clubs? These people are drag queens. They are neither transvestites (crossdressers), nor are they trans.

(WTF are children doing in night clubs? ... must be a Yank think like child beauty pageants).... That's the fault of the parents and/or the clubs - not trans people.

That's where we started - then I gave my rundown on The Real

Tranny

Neither trans people nor crossdressers use that outdated and derogatory term.
- and you got lost in discussing their orgasms or lack thereof.... along with a mindless slag at me.... then on and on like another clown we had here.

Ready to apologise for that yet, boy? You are on the ropes....

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Reply #72 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 9:47am

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2022 at 9:30am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 28^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

...As long as their actions are within the law and don't impinge on
my societal rights, why should I care? Live and let live I say.

So Geoff when trans women insist that they are women & want to compete on the sporting field with real biological women & then rules are changed or written in for their inclusion ....

you don't think that's impinging on the societal rights of others?

Well, I did say "my" societal rights, but I take your point.

And no, I don't believe that someone like Callum (Hannah) Mouncey should be
playing in a women's Aussie rules footy team, but seemingly there was no
concerns raised about Mouncey's strength, stamina and physique in the 2017
AFL Canberra women's competition.

Apparently then, the female players on both sides of the centre circle didn't
see it as an issue, although they probably should've.

But I don't see this as contradicting my first claim about preserving societal
rights—which cover the entirety of our society, rather than just a single
footy team's rights.

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Reply #73 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 9:58am

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 28^th, 2022 at 9:47am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2022 at 9:30am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 28^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

...As long as their actions are within the law and don't impinge on
my societal rights, why should I care? Live and let live I say.

So Geoff when trans women insist that they are women & want to compete on the sporting field with real biological women & then rules are changed or written in for their inclusion ....

you don't think that's impinging on the societal rights of others?

Well, I did say "my" societal rights, but I take your point.

And no, I don't believe that someone like Callum (Hannah) Mouncey should be
playing in a women's Aussie rules footy team, but seemingly there was no
concerns raised about Mouncey's strength, stamina and physique in the 2017
AFL Canberra women's competition.

Apparently then, the female players on both sides of the centre circle didn't
see it as an issue, although they probably should've.

But I don't see this as contradicting my first claim about preserving societal
rights—which cover the entirety of our society, rather than just a single
footy team's rights.

Canberra ey? Grin

Seemingly & apparently no problem with Mouncey being there?

I wonder why?

And what would have happened to anyone who may have raised a concern & had an issue with it?

I can just imagine.

It's not a "single" footy teams rights ..... it's every womens footy side or any other womens sports side.

I was pleased to see FINA & IRL take a commonsense stand on the issue.

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Reply #74 - Jun 28^th, 2022 at 10:19am

Kat wrote on Jun 28^th, 2022 at 9:41am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 11:55pm:

So, Linus - you're all good with transvestite strip shows (semi-strip) for small children in night clubs? These people are drag queens. They are neither transvestites (crossdressers), nor are they trans.

(WTF are children doing in night clubs? ... must be a Yank think like child beauty pageants).... That's the fault of the parents and/or the clubs - not trans people.

That's where we started - then I gave my rundown on The Real

Tranny

Neither trans people nor crossdressers use that outdated and derogatory term.
- and you got lost in discussing their orgasms or lack thereof.... along with a mindless slag at me.... then on and on like another clown we had here.

Ready to apologise for that yet, boy? You are on the ropes....

Wait a minute.. so they dress up in women's gear, but are not cross dressers? That's a fine point... I didn't know there were that many sub-divisions - is it, like, one does it privately in the closet and the other is 'out there'?

I wasn't saying it was the fault of the draggies - but what a situation for kids to be put in.

Well - Lefty's abuse brought that term to the fore again - someone bites me - I bite them... until they get the idea it's not worth biting, so they try reason instead. Some here are still needing to learn that, and continue to waste time on their vapid personal attacks which never hit home.

The work is hard, but someone has to do it and steer them straight in life before they crash and burn like poor old Lefty... RIP. As a responsible adult I feel it is my duty to bring the socially unconscious and oblivious into the light.... restore some to sanity... you can lead a donkey to water, but you can't make the ass drink... and sometimes it's like playing chess with pigeons...

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