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Re: Roe v Wade overturned
Reply #225 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:51am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:32am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:20am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:04am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 12:58am:
Here's where abortions are now banned or strictly limited, and where they may be soon



Abortion is now illegal or heavily restricted in at least 11 states following the Supreme Court's historic decision Friday to overturn Roe v. Wade. Twelve other states have laws in place that pave the way to quickly ban or severely restrict access to them, according to research from the Guttmacher Institute, a group that favors abortion rights. Several additional states appear likely to pass new laws.

The court's ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health effectively overturned the precedent set by the 1973 Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, which affirmed that a woman has a right to seek an abortion up until the point that the fetus could be "viable" outside of the uterus. It opened the way for states to enact many laws that were previously tied up in court, and to pass new ones.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107126432/abortion-bans-su...



Now that things have settled down a little



You mean now you're no longer arguing a position that was not only incorrect,?


I never argued otherwise... simply stated that abortion is not a right..... here it is a privilege....

Get over your wrongful use of the word 'prohibited' = prohibition.... abortion is NOT prohibited - it is restricted to specific circumstances....

Read your article...


For something like 98% of pregnant Women it is prohibited. No point in being pedantic about a few extreme exceptions that may or may not be available if common sense prevails.

Is a normal average pregnant woman prohibited from having an abortion in these states?

A = YES
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Re: Roe v Wade overturned
Reply #226 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:52am
 
Your own article, foot shooter:-

"*Some states have multiple types of laws to ban or severely limit access to abortion. For the purposes of this map, the strongest ban takes precedence. In states with six-week bans not yet in effect, those bans are challenged in state courts and/or pending resolution with state attorneys general.
**Ohio bans abortion after about six weeks.
— Arizona recently enacted a 15-week ban and may not enforce its pre-Roe ban.
— Michigan’s governor has asked for the pre-Roe ban to be struck down.
— Texas already had a 6-week ban in effect. The Texas attorney general argues that other pre-Roe bans are now in effect.
— Pre-Roe bans are in effect in Wisconsin and West Virginia, but the extent to which they would be enforced is unknown."

In which ones is it prohibited - prohibited meaning totally and absolutely - no weasel words....???

Answer and I'll chew you up tomorrow..... I'm busy...
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Re: Roe v Wade overturned
Reply #227 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:52am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:48am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:43am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:32am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:20am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:04am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 12:58am:
Here's where abortions are now banned or strictly limited, and where they may be soon



Abortion is now illegal or heavily restricted in at least 11 states following the Supreme Court's historic decision Friday to overturn Roe v. Wade. Twelve other states have laws in place that pave the way to quickly ban or severely restrict access to them, according to research from the Guttmacher Institute, a group that favors abortion rights. Several additional states appear likely to pass new laws.

The court's ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health effectively overturned the precedent set by the 1973 Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, which affirmed that a woman has a right to seek an abortion up until the point that the fetus could be "viable" outside of the uterus. It opened the way for states to enact many laws that were previously tied up in court, and to pass new ones.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107126432/abortion-bans-su...



Now that things have settled down a little



You mean now you're no longer arguing a position that was not only incorrect,?


I never argued otherwise... simply stated that abortion is not a right..... here it is a privilege....

Get over your wrongful use of the word 'prohibited' = prohibition.... abortion is NOT prohibited - it is restricted to specific circumstances....

Read your article...


Just how wrong can you actually be?

I'm sorry, i tend only to read the first line of your posts, if that even. The rest slipped past me.

You are clearly wrong. Again.

How much wrong can one person be?


You, Lefty, Linus and Smith are always wrong... you've never been right yet, and you refuse to even consider reasonable discussion without your built-in problems coming out.

In which states is it absolutely prohibited?



Why can't you educate yourself? Why do you argue points before educating yourself? Why do refuse correction when falsely arguing against points you have not educated yourself upon?

Without the landmark precedent in place, access to abortion began to change quickly. First, 13 states with “trigger bans,” designed to take effect if Roe were struck down, will prohibit abortion within 30 days. At least eight states banned the procedure the day the ruling was released. Several others with antiabortion laws blocked by the courts are expected to act, with lawmakers moving to activate their dormant legislation. A handful of states also have pre-Roe abortion bans that could be reactivated, and others moved immediately to introduce new legislation.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminali...
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Re: Roe v Wade overturned
Reply #228 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:53am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:52am:
Your own article, foot shooter:-

"*Some states have multiple types of laws to ban or severely limit access to abortion. For the purposes of this map, the strongest ban takes precedence. In states with six-week bans not yet in effect, those bans are challenged in state courts and/or pending resolution with state attorneys general.
**Ohio bans abortion after about six weeks.
— Arizona recently enacted a 15-week ban and may not enforce its pre-Roe ban.
— Michigan’s governor has asked for the pre-Roe ban to be struck down.
— Texas already had a 6-week ban in effect. The Texas attorney general argues that other pre-Roe bans are now in effect.
— Pre-Roe bans are in effect in Wisconsin and West Virginia, but the extent to which they would be enforced is unknown."

In which ones is it prohibited - prohibited meaning totally and absolutely - no weasel words....???

Answer and I'll chew you up tomorrow..... I'm busy...



You're a dead-set idiot.
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Re: Roe v Wade overturned
Reply #229 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:56am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:51am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:32am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:20am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:04am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 12:58am:
Here's where abortions are now banned or strictly limited, and where they may be soon



Abortion is now illegal or heavily restricted in at least 11 states following the Supreme Court's historic decision Friday to overturn Roe v. Wade. Twelve other states have laws in place that pave the way to quickly ban or severely restrict access to them, according to research from the Guttmacher Institute, a group that favors abortion rights. Several additional states appear likely to pass new laws.

The court's ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health effectively overturned the precedent set by the 1973 Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, which affirmed that a woman has a right to seek an abortion up until the point that the fetus could be "viable" outside of the uterus. It opened the way for states to enact many laws that were previously tied up in court, and to pass new ones.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107126432/abortion-bans-su...



Now that things have settled down a little



You mean now you're no longer arguing a position that was not only incorrect,?


I never argued otherwise... simply stated that abortion is not a right..... here it is a privilege....

Get over your wrongful use of the word 'prohibited' = prohibition.... abortion is NOT prohibited - it is restricted to specific circumstances....

Read your article...


For something like 98% of pregnant Women it is prohibited. No point in being pedantic about a few extreme exceptions that may or may not be available if common sense prevails.

Is a normal average pregnant woman prohibited from having an abortion in these states?

A = YES



All right, Jim - detail the states where it is not available under any circumstances = prohibition.  Of course it is prohibited for 98% of pregnant women - most of whom don't want it, and only a few of whom will fall outside the prescribed time periods in which they can get it.....

98% of women prohibited ... Jesus man - most of them don't want it!!  So - 2% - so it's NOT prohibited.  You can't have partial prohibition, and saying so is propaganda and not reporting facts.

**sighs** they just go on and on without a single thought in their heads.... listening to the propaganda without thought or consideration or even an attempt at analysis.
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Re: Roe v Wade overturned
Reply #230 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:58am
 
It's got to be Dunning-Krueger.
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Reply #231 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 2:02am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:48am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:43am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:32am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:20am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:04am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 12:58am:
Here's where abortions are now banned or strictly limited, and where they may be soon



Abortion is now illegal or heavily restricted in at least 11 states following the Supreme Court's historic decision Friday to overturn Roe v. Wade. Twelve other states have laws in place that pave the way to quickly ban or severely restrict access to them, according to research from the Guttmacher Institute, a group that favors abortion rights. Several additional states appear likely to pass new laws.

The court's ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health effectively overturned the precedent set by the 1973 Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, which affirmed that a woman has a right to seek an abortion up until the point that the fetus could be "viable" outside of the uterus. It opened the way for states to enact many laws that were previously tied up in court, and to pass new ones.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107126432/abortion-bans-su...



Now that things have settled down a little



You mean now you're no longer arguing a position that was not only incorrect,?


I never argued otherwise... simply stated that abortion is not a right..... here it is a privilege....

Get over your wrongful use of the word 'prohibited' = prohibition.... abortion is NOT prohibited - it is restricted to specific circumstances....

Read your article...


Just how wrong can you actually be?

I'm sorry, i tend only to read the first line of your posts, if that even. The rest slipped past me.

You are clearly wrong. Again.

How much wrong can one person be?


You, Lefty, Linus and Smith are always wrong... you've never been right yet, and you refuse to even consider reasonable discussion without your built-in problems coming out.

In which states is it absolutely prohibited?


In states where is is prohibited for everyone except medical necessity your argument is just being pedantic. For all intent and practice it is prohibited.

I few days ago in these states all women had this right now 99% don't. 

While it is good that a small number of women are not expected to die over it it's hardy in real terms a meaningful number.

Practically speaking it is banned.
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Reply #232 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 2:07am
 
Pedantic is generous.

But you are an incredibly nice guy, Dna.
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Re: Roe v Wade overturned
Reply #233 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 2:10am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:56am:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:51am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:32am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:20am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:04am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 12:58am:
Here's where abortions are now banned or strictly limited, and where they may be soon



Abortion is now illegal or heavily restricted in at least 11 states following the Supreme Court's historic decision Friday to overturn Roe v. Wade. Twelve other states have laws in place that pave the way to quickly ban or severely restrict access to them, according to research from the Guttmacher Institute, a group that favors abortion rights. Several additional states appear likely to pass new laws.

The court's ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health effectively overturned the precedent set by the 1973 Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, which affirmed that a woman has a right to seek an abortion up until the point that the fetus could be "viable" outside of the uterus. It opened the way for states to enact many laws that were previously tied up in court, and to pass new ones.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107126432/abortion-bans-su...



Now that things have settled down a little



You mean now you're no longer arguing a position that was not only incorrect,?


I never argued otherwise... simply stated that abortion is not a right..... here it is a privilege....

Get over your wrongful use of the word 'prohibited' = prohibition.... abortion is NOT prohibited - it is restricted to specific circumstances....

Read your article...


For something like 98% of pregnant Women it is prohibited. No point in being pedantic about a few extreme exceptions that may or may not be available if common sense prevails.

Is a normal average pregnant woman prohibited from having an abortion in these states?

A = YES



All right, Jim - detail the states where it is not available under any circumstances = prohibition.  Of course it is prohibited for 98% of pregnant women - most of whom don't want it, and only a few of whom will fall outside the prescribed time periods in which they can get it.....

98% of women prohibited ... Jesus man - most of them don't want it!!  So - 2% - so it's NOT prohibited.  You can't have partial prohibition, and saying so is propaganda and not reporting facts.

**sighs** they just go on and on without a single thought in their heads.... listening to the propaganda without thought or consideration or even an attempt at analysis.


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detail the states where it is not available under any circumstances


You pedant point is faulty.

Do you agree that the had Alcohol prohibition in the 1920's ?

Quote:
Doctors were able to prescribe medicinal alcohol for their patients. After just six months of prohibition, over 15,000 doctors and 57,000 pharmacists received licenses to prescribe or sell medicinal alcohol.


By your logic there was no Alcohol prohibition in the USA in the 1920's.
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Re: Roe v Wade overturned
Reply #234 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 2:16am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:56am:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:51am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:32am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:20am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 1:04am:
mothra wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 12:58am:
Here's where abortions are now banned or strictly limited, and where they may be soon



Abortion is now illegal or heavily restricted in at least 11 states following the Supreme Court's historic decision Friday to overturn Roe v. Wade. Twelve other states have laws in place that pave the way to quickly ban or severely restrict access to them, according to research from the Guttmacher Institute, a group that favors abortion rights. Several additional states appear likely to pass new laws.

The court's ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health effectively overturned the precedent set by the 1973 Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, which affirmed that a woman has a right to seek an abortion up until the point that the fetus could be "viable" outside of the uterus. It opened the way for states to enact many laws that were previously tied up in court, and to pass new ones.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107126432/abortion-bans-su...



Now that things have settled down a little



You mean now you're no longer arguing a position that was not only incorrect,?


I never argued otherwise... simply stated that abortion is not a right..... here it is a privilege....

Get over your wrongful use of the word 'prohibited' = prohibition.... abortion is NOT prohibited - it is restricted to specific circumstances....

Read your article...


For something like 98% of pregnant Women it is prohibited. No point in being pedantic about a few extreme exceptions that may or may not be available if common sense prevails.

Is a normal average pregnant woman prohibited from having an abortion in these states?

A = YES



All right, Jim - detail the states where it is not available under any circumstances = prohibition.  Of course it is prohibited for 98% of pregnant women - most of whom don't want it, and only a few of whom will fall outside the prescribed time periods in which they can get it.....

98% of women prohibited ... Jesus man - most of them don't want it!!  So - 2% - so it's NOT prohibited.  You can't have partial prohibition, and saying so is propaganda and not reporting facts.

**sighs** they just go on and on without a single thought in their heads.... listening to the propaganda without thought or consideration or even an attempt at analysis.


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and only a few of whom will fall outside the prescribed time periods


These prescribed time periods now go away. The time periods were meant to cope with Roe V Wade being in place and preventing a full ban starting at fertilization.

This is the not so brave new 1950's world the US are moving into.
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Reply #235 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 5:20am
 
the authorities have no place interfering in the doctor patient relationship regarding covid.
if a doctor and patient want to try some drug, its their business

the authorities have no place interfering in the doctor patient relationship regarding pregnancy.

now if the state wants to state that a baby can survive at 24 or 26 or 28 weeks of pregnancy, then it can be on the doctor to comply with that law and advise a woman who is 26 weeks "sorry , that child is now a child"

a bunch of 8 cells at 4 weeks is not a child.

its best politicians stay right out of these things.
they dont have the expertise.

as for supreme court judges.
please
they are as removed from "real america" as the royal family
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Reply #236 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 9:51am
 
mothra wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 8:48pm:
Incorrect Larry. It is in fact true that many women miscarry in the first trimester without even knowing they are pregnant.

I can only assume that you not knowing this is because health ed. wasn't a thing back in the '50s when you went to school.



Larry is just pretending to be a woman thats why she has no clue. My wife was informed of this with her first pregancy. I think most women who've had kids would have been made aware of it. larry obviously isn't a woman and has never had kids
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Reply #237 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 9:53am
 
Belgarion wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:22pm:
I see on the news from the USA that the first reaction of the the so called 'progressives' to this court decision is violence. .



Did they try to overthrow the elected government? Roll Eyes
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Reply #238 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 9:59am
 
Belgarion wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 10:49pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 10:40pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 10:36pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 10:28pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 10:24pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:55pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:42pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:22pm:
The thing is, from what I am seeing is the the decision had not prohibited abortion, but merely put the making of laws about it back on the states instead of the federal government. This is the way it works in most of the rest of the world and there is no problem.

I do see that several states, nine according to tonight's news, have moved to make it difficult, if not illegal to have an abortion, with maybe  20 all up expected to do the same. However the answer is to not vote for these state governments in the next election instead of violent protest.  Simples.




Didn't think that one all the way through, did you champ.


Did the supreme court decision prohibit abortion?


The clear answer is NO!


LOL. No it's not.

God you're an idiot.

If Belgarion had said, "while the SCOTUS didn't prohibit abortion per se" or "while the SCOTUS didn't specifically prohibit abortion" ... he would have been correct and received no argument from me.

What he said however is that the ruling didn't prohibit abortion at all. Then went on to say how it had.

Tell me Larry, is abortion now prohibited to many girls and women, soon to be more, as a direct result of the SCOTIS ruling?

Can you even understand what i've said? Doubtful.


Now Mothra, can you understand? The supreme court did not prohibit abortion, it devolved the decision making to the states.  Roll Eyes


Tell me, is abortion prohibited to girl's an women, soon to be more, as a consequence of the SCOTUS ruling?

Yes or no will do,



No.  Roll Eyes



thats like arguing that a shooter who fires a gun randomly didn't kill the innocent bystander, the bullet did  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #239 - Jun 28th, 2022 at 10:00am
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 28th, 2022 at 9:53am:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 27th, 2022 at 9:22pm:
I see on the news from the USA that the first reaction of the the so called 'progressives' to this court decision is violence. .



Did they try to overthrow the elected government? Roll Eyes

Ah, so that's why BLM burning and looting and murdering was "mostly peaceful"- they 'only' targeted, court houses, police stations, businesses, ordinary people in restaurants and cafes. Abortion demonstrators can attack STATE Senate houses.

Lefty violence, looting and burning is ok as long as it is encouraged by Dem politicians like Kamela and so are not targeting them.
The proggy double standard, based on ludicrous 'yeah buts' is blatant.



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