Frank wrote on Jun 28^th, 2022 at 5:27pm:


Because we live in a 'dog eat dog' global neoliberal economy....with trade and currency wars....

True communism - collective well-being and security - can only flourish under a global 'benevolent authority'.

The trade, currency and real wars of the current geopolitical  reality  makes "from each according to ability, to each according to need" impossible.

Now you know.   


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To repeat, real communism is impossible in the  current survival of the fittest neoliberal  world order.  Countries must trade for resources and hence cannot be  islands unto themselves.

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Oh ye of limited powers of analysis.

The Kibbutzes were self-contained micro-communist- enclaves.

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Jewish refugees, yes, fleeing from all sorts of circumstances.

Frank clearly has no idea what either socialism or communism are.

John Smith wrote on Jun 29^th, 2022 at 3:04pm:



Coz you do, Planks: it's Murdoch. On the Gold Coast it's Murdoch.

See also: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1604108705/322#322

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2022 at 3:02pm:




Bbut Bbwian knows bbetter...., oh, yes. He observes and knows bbbetter than those talkers like Marx, Lenin, Mao. They know nuffin', just talk.

Bbut Bbwian KNOWS!!!!  Tsk, tsk 



(You pompous, shivelling fathead, you)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 29^th, 2022 at 11:05pm:



I was discussing it with you until you were neatly painted into a corner and finally said, stupidly, that Marx, Englels, Lenin, Mao knew little about socialism or communism as they were only talkers and not doers - as if the doers ( and you, sage observer of Perth) knew better, meant better, would have done better but for all those talkers. When you got to that absurdity your whole snivelling, ignorant get pompous, naive/conceited mind came into glorious technicolour view and shone like a pile of radioactive rubbish.


You are only an observer,  an observer that "likes to point out ... the failings of "Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao et al".  They liked to talk about it but they did little about instituting..."  but you have not pointed out ANY theoretical failing, nor any implementation failures, nor suggested any theoretical or practical alternative ways to communism.
Like all the numpties, you just repeat that all past attempts were misguided and the future will, mysteriously/miraculously will prove you right, the future none of us will see - which is EXACTLY what all the communists have been saying for 150 years.

The Great Décolletage parrots the CCP line like a demented Energiser Bunny. You are as ignorant and therefore vague as John 'multi planks' Smith or duckwit  but at least, to their credit, they are not rolling his eyes 'knowingly' and tut tutting pompously like some snivelling fathead who imagines himself wise and oracular.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2022 at 11:21am:



I have identified exactly your failing, Bbwian:

I was discussing it with you until you were neatly painted into a corner and finally said, stupidly, that Marx, Englels, Lenin, Mao knew little about socialism or communism as they were only talkers and not doers - as if the doers ( and you, sage observer of Perth) knew better, meant better, would have done better but for all those talkers.

You are only an observer,  an observer that "likes to point out ... the failings of "Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao et al".  They liked to talk about it but they did little about instituting..."  but you have not pointed out ANY theoretical failing, nor any implementation failures, nor suggested any theoretical or practical alternative ways to communism.

Like all the numpties, you just repeat that all past attempts were misguided and the future will, mysteriously/miraculously will prove you right, the future none of us will see - which is EXACTLY what all the communists have been saying for 150 years.



You are just using the bollocking of you as the excuse for not facing the evident stupidity of your 'arguments', thereby confirming the justice of the bollocking and adding cowardice to the list of your failings. Far from me needing to apologise, you should thank me, I have given you a figleaf to hide behind, silly coward.


Observe also, from someone who was actually there : http://savingcommunities.org/docs/kolakowski.leszek/whatissocialism.html

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:



No need to thank me.

Frank wrote on Jun 29^th, 2022 at 4:20pm:


Not lying, just failing to understand that poor nations cannot compete with rich ones in a dog-eat-dog "Liberal" world, in which the rich nations conspire to keep the poor ones in poverty.

...Interestingly, today the UK has decided to introduce tariffs on steel, to defend its own industry, which of course beggars other nations.  Solution?

Well, at the famous Bretton Wood conference (1944), Keynes proposed a global 'clearing union' to deal with such issues....but self-interested capitalists cried
"communism"...
 

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Refuted above. You are still stuck in the  ideologically-based  TINA fallacy.