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Reply #15 - May 28th, 2022 at 3:03pm
 
The only mandate is what the people want - not what your special interest groups want....... be advised.
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Reply #16 - May 28th, 2022 at 3:22pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 3:03pm:
The only mandate is what the people want - not what your special interest groups want....... be advised.



Adam Bandt has Albanese over a barrel -

Albo will do what he's told.
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Reply #17 - May 28th, 2022 at 5:13pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 2:14pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:46am:
Captain Nemo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:29am:
Not arguing with that. My issue is that renewables cannot cope with peak demand and won't be able to for some considerable time yet.

The experience in California is a prime example.





They can't yet, nobody is arguing that.

Adding more renewables to the mix will drive prices down and as battery storage improves we can soon see renewables cope with peak demand and when the sun isn't shining.

The industry has a long way to go, but every time we try to start down that path it's stopped by the mouth breathers.

Innovation won't happen without starting.

The economic arguments for moving to renewables should be enough to get the conservatives on board assuming they're not simply bought by lobbyists, which is why so much lies are told about renewable to protect their benefactors.

It's just funny, sad but funny that those who complain the loudest about others being sheep can't see they're being fed exactly what to think and are motivated to spread that out there to pretend that it's some sort of grassroots movement for coal and fossil fuels.


Renewables were called upon to reduce emissions, not reduce prices. Reducing prices is only in your fantasy bubble. Privatization was supposed to reduce prices everyone was saying, but what happened?, prices skyrocketed

The companies will come up with all sorts of excuses why prices need to remain the same or increase in the future, with renewables

I won't be falling for any of their BS about lower prices. I'm not falling for your BS either. We've heard enough of all the lies about lowering prices

Industry will want a 60% genuine reduction in power costs before they will say it's a fair price, and they would be right, they pay fortunes for electricity at the current pricing. Renewables would have to ensure they get that 60% reduction, and get reliable supply



Reduced emissions were always about climate change.  But the conservatives shifted the argument to one about the economy since they're claiming the science isn't settled.

The problem is they're losing that argument too, despite their unwillingness to admit it.

It makes more sense from an economic point of view as well as national security to invest in renewable now, before China.

The reduced energy costs would allow us to start entirely new industries locally, even if requiring government assistance in the early days to establish, which would go on to support our mining industry, something that we're constantly reminded is the backbone of the nation.

We don't need to do it for environmental reasons, those two alone should have you on board.

At the same time, we need to do it for environmental reasons.

The problem is you're using "the economy" as an excuse because you've already made your mind up about renewables and are just looking for a way to justify it.

And you've only made your mind up for political and ideological reasons at best, at worst you've simply been told what to think and are being good sheep, while of course, accusing everyone else of being the sheep.

You're singing directly from the songbook like a good little choir boy.

Introducing more renewables as soon as possible while we transition more and more onto them in a sustainable way, with efficiencies in not only that technology but also our energy usage would make us world leaders.

Remember when we used to aspire for that...

Our wages have always meant some jobs are just not feasible to do locally when they're much cheaper on the global market, but what if we could keep those wages but compete because of lower energy costs thanks to renewables.

There is a small window of opportunity here, this only works if we're first or very early on in the race.

If China beat us, it's over.

Why are the conservatives again so pro China...
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Reply #18 - May 28th, 2022 at 8:56pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 5:13pm:
It makes more sense from an economic point of view as well as national security to invest in renewable now, before China.


What? A lot of the elite point to China as a champion of renewables. With so much more than us etc.
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Yes lots of Greens date men by choice.
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Reply #20 - May 28th, 2022 at 11:41pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:15pm:
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Yes lots of Greens date men by choice.

Attempt at wit - fail. Lame. You dont even approach dad joke level cringe.
But it is a glimpse into the gauche simplicity of your mind.

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Reply #21 - May 28th, 2022 at 11:53pm
 
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:41pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:15pm:
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Yes lots of Greens date men by choice.

Attempt at wit - fail. Lame. You don't even approach dad joke level cringe.
But it is a glimpse into the gauche simplicity of your mind.



OH it's Frank the nong just as pleasant as usual.
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Reply #22 - May 29th, 2022 at 2:25pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 5:13pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 2:14pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:46am:
Captain Nemo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:29am:
Not arguing with that. My issue is that renewables cannot cope with peak demand and won't be able to for some considerable time yet.

The experience in California is a prime example.





They can't yet, nobody is arguing that.

Adding more renewables to the mix will drive prices down and as battery storage improves we can soon see renewables cope with peak demand and when the sun isn't shining.

The industry has a long way to go, but every time we try to start down that path it's stopped by the mouth breathers.

Innovation won't happen without starting.

The economic arguments for moving to renewables should be enough to get the conservatives on board assuming they're not simply bought by lobbyists, which is why so much lies are told about renewable to protect their benefactors.

It's just funny, sad but funny that those who complain the loudest about others being sheep can't see they're being fed exactly what to think and are motivated to spread that out there to pretend that it's some sort of grassroots movement for coal and fossil fuels.


Renewables were called upon to reduce emissions, not reduce prices. Reducing prices is only in your fantasy bubble. Privatization was supposed to reduce prices everyone was saying, but what happened?, prices skyrocketed

The companies will come up with all sorts of excuses why prices need to remain the same or increase in the future, with renewables

I won't be falling for any of their BS about lower prices. I'm not falling for your BS either. We've heard enough of all the lies about lowering prices

Industry will want a 60% genuine reduction in power costs before they will say it's a fair price, and they would be right, they pay fortunes for electricity at the current pricing. Renewables would have to ensure they get that 60% reduction, and get reliable supply



Reduced emissions were always about climate change.  But the conservatives shifted the argument to one about the economy since they're claiming the science isn't settled.

The problem is they're losing that argument too, despite their unwillingness to admit it.

It makes more sense from an economic point of view as well as national security to invest in renewable now, before China.

The reduced energy costs would allow us to start entirely new industries locally, even if requiring government assistance in the early days to establish, which would go on to support our mining industry, something that we're constantly reminded is the backbone of the nation.

We don't need to do it for environmental reasons, those two alone should have you on board.

At the same time, we need to do it for environmental reasons.

The problem is you're using "the economy" as an excuse because you've already made your mind up about renewables and are just looking for a way to justify it.

And you've only made your mind up for political and ideological reasons at best, at worst you've simply been told what to think and are being good sheep, while of course, accusing everyone else of being the sheep.

You're singing directly from the songbook like a good little choir boy.

Introducing more renewables as soon as possible while we transition more and more onto them in a sustainable way, with efficiencies in not only that technology but also our energy usage would make us world leaders.

Remember when we used to aspire for that...

Our wages have always meant some jobs are just not feasible to do locally when they're much cheaper on the global market, but what if we could keep those wages but compete because of lower energy costs thanks to renewables.

There is a small window of opportunity here, this only works if we're first or very early on in the race.

If China beat us, it's over.

Why are the conservatives again so pro China...


Still no concrete evidence that prices will go down


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Reply #23 - May 29th, 2022 at 3:33pm
 
Yes Mr Bandt I would say you are right.  You do have a mandate.   Smiley
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Reply #24 - May 29th, 2022 at 4:16pm
 
Albanese Labor will inevitably seek the relative stability of a deal with the 12 balance-of-power Greens. But for the majority of Australians, the prospect of the new Labor government having to be beholden for its legislative program to the far-left dogma of the Green agenda should be a matter of great concern. The Green wish-list of conditions if it is to work with Labor is incapable of being met without bankrupting the nation, quite apart from the economic consequences of ‘real climate action’ that will mean no new coal, oil or gas and a slashing of defence in a more pacifist approach. Funding a welfare and wages spending spree will be by ‘taxing the billionaires and big corporations to provide all the things we need for a better life’, restoring healthcare, electricity, transport, education to public ownership, wiping out student debt – a cornucopia of goodies for everyone, along with an emporium of wokeness.
Michael Baume


Teal climate policies are trophies for rich women, diamond necklaces to flaunt at harbourside parties. They are not signs of virtue; they are vanities. Ordinary Australians can no more afford them, than they can afford to replace their Toyota with a Tesla (interestingly, an anagram of teals). Or fork out the $100 million paid by green rich-lister Mike Cannon-Brookes for his Point Piper mansion ‘Fairwater’ in 2018.

The teal targets of 50 to 60 per cent emissions reductions by 2030 and 80 to 85 per cent renewables by 2030 should have been eviscerated.  Instead, the commitment to net zero emissions by 2050 has been a bugbear to both sides of the Liberal party, not enough for the left, too much for the right. Both sides should rethink. 2050 is 28 years in the future. To put that in perspective, 28 years ago, Bill Clinton was president of the United States, Boris Yeltsin was president of Russia, Paul Keating was prime minister in Australia, China gots its first connection to the internet and the Rwandan genocide occurred.

Imagine locking in energy policy for 2022 back then.
Rebecca Wesser


A real, arctic freezing wind is coming next week. Will people be able to afford the heating bill? Will the electricity grid cope?

The rush to "net zero" and "climate action" are unmoored vanities of the doctors' wives and their children at uni.



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Reply #25 - May 29th, 2022 at 5:17pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 29th, 2022 at 2:25pm:
Still no concrete evidence that prices will go down


The same can be said for the fearmongering about the price increases, but that hasn't stopped so very many people making the claim.
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Reply #26 - May 29th, 2022 at 10:13pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 29th, 2022 at 5:17pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on May 29th, 2022 at 2:25pm:
Still no concrete evidence that prices will go down


The same can be said for the fearmongering about the price increases, but that hasn't stopped so very many people making the claim.

Soooo... are energy prices going up or not?
If yes  - why?
If not - well, forget that, they are going up.


Could Australia have cheaper, more reliable energy NOW???

Yes.

Who stands in the way??

Greens and teals and assorted other ideologues.


The Geens are the pavement of "goodish" inventions on the way to hell. And Bandt is the Mr Tumnus.
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Reply #27 - May 29th, 2022 at 10:19pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:12am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:07am:
whiteknight wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:00am:
Yes you are right, the coalition should have done more about climate change, when they were in power.   Smiley



Well, massive "climate action" is coming in the form of power price increases and supply unreliability. More industries will go overseas where power is cheaper and reliable (possible on the basis of Australian coal and gas).

The poor will bear the brunt of it, not the teal doctors' wives and The Greens. The stupid "climate action" wheeze will the burden on the poorest.

The Greens and their pink haired zealots are a kind of reverse King Midas - everything they touch turns to shite.





The modelling points to lower prices, meaning manufacturing even with our generous wages would be cheaper here.  It could bring back entire industries we lost and we could process the minerals we dig out of the ground rather than shipping them to China and having to buy them back.

You're preaching from the skynews bible, not actually listening to the experts in those areas.


The 'modelling' is utter shite, possible only in the deluded fantasies of the Greenies.   Roll Eyes
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