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Greens Have A Mandate Bandt Tells Labor
May 28th, 2022 at 9:48am
 
Greens have mandate to stop new oil and gas projects: Bandt tells Labor

The Age
May 28, 2022


Greens leader Adam Bandt says the party has a mandate to stop new coal and gas mines and warned the Labor government that it will use its balance of power in the Senate to introduce legislation to block new mines.

The Greens look set to quadruple their lower house representation by robbing the LNP of their Queensland seats of Brisbane and Ryan and booting Labor frontbencher Terri Butler from the seat of Griffith.

Greens leader Adam Bandt says Labor must recognise how many people voted for stronger climate action.   Smiley 


Labor remains one seat shy of securing a 76th seat that it needs to govern in majority and the Greens are expected to hold 12 seats in the Senate, most likely giving the party the balance of power.

This means that wherever Labor failed to secure the support of the opposition – set to be led by Peter Dutton – the government would need the votes of the crossbench to pass laws, making them kingmakers capable of blocking or passing key legislation in the Senate.

Bandt told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age that the Greens wanted to be constructive at the outset, but the parties that stood for more coal and gas had to recognise that their votes went backwards.

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“Labor may squeak through a majority in the lower house, we’ll see,” he said.

“Less than one in three people voted for them, they’ve got to accept the reality of that, they’re in government but the Greens and the independents, whose presence in parliament went up, were demanding more ambitious climate action and at some point Labor has to recognise that that’s what people want.   Smiley

“Our preference is for a cooperative government, but we’re not there to rubber stamp, so they can’t take our votes in the Senate for granted ... our clear, strong preference is to have a productive relationship.



“I’d urge them not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”

While approvals for new gas and coal mines are set by the states, they have to pass federal environmental approvals. The federal government also grants permissions for exports.

Labor’s climate spokesman in opposition, Chris Bowen, said polluters that emit more than 100,000 tonnes of emissions per year would be subject to a tightened safeguard mechanism. That could include pollution caps that have not yet been specified.

Bandt said opening any new coal or gas mine would blow Labor’s climate targets, which are for a 43 per cent reduction by 2030 and net zero by 2050.

“Parliament does have power, as does government, to say there will be no new coal and gas projects. Our mandate is to push for that,” he said.

“We’re willing to pass legislation ... we will fight in parliament to stop new coal and gas projects, that’s what people sent us there for and that’s what we will do.”   

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Asked if this would see the Greens combining with the Peter Dutton-led opposition to stymie Labor’s carbon policies – as the Greens did in 2009 with Tony Abbott to kill off Kevin Rudd’s emissions trading scheme – Bandt said that was not the approach he wanted to take.

“It is Labor that is saying they will not tolerate any amendments and that it’s their way or the highway,” he said.

“They’re the ones taking a very obstinate approach and I hope that that kind of posturing recedes and I hope that they understand that it’s much better to have a cooperative relationship.

Earlier this week, Bowen, who cannot speak to the media on portfolio matters until he is sworn in as minister, told the ABC that while the Greens had a mandate in their seats: “I would ask them to respect our mandate across the country.”
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Reply #1 - May 28th, 2022 at 9:57am
 
The bloody cheek of those bastards.



That illustrates just how driven the progs are. If only the Coalition were so energetic in pursuing its policies and values. But they do not know what they stand for, they even want to please their enemies so they are just in office but not in power.
The Green progs are not in office but are in power.
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Reply #2 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:00am
 
Yes you are right, the coalition should have done more about climate change, when they were in power.   Smiley
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Reply #3 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:07am
 
whiteknight wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:00am:
Yes you are right, the coalition should have done more about climate change, when they were in power.   Smiley



Well, massive "climate action" is coming in the form of power price increases and supply unreliability. More industries will go overseas where power is cheaper and reliable (possible on the basis of Australian coal and gas).

The poor will bear the brunt of it, not the teal doctors' wives and The Greens. The stupid "climate action" wheeze will the burden on the poorest.

The Greens and their pink haired zealots are a kind of reverse King Midas - everything they touch turns to shite.



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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:12am
 
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:07am:
whiteknight wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:00am:
Yes you are right, the coalition should have done more about climate change, when they were in power.   Smiley



Well, massive "climate action" is coming in the form of power price increases and supply unreliability. More industries will go overseas where power is cheaper and reliable (possible on the basis of Australian coal and gas).

The poor will bear the brunt of it, not the teal doctors' wives and The Greens. The stupid "climate action" wheeze will the burden on the poorest.

The Greens and their pink haired zealots are a kind of reverse King Midas - everything they touch turns to shite.





The modelling points to lower prices, meaning manufacturing even with our generous wages would be cheaper here.  It could bring back entire industries we lost and we could process the minerals we dig out of the ground rather than shipping them to China and having to buy them back.

You're preaching from the skynews bible, not actually listening to the experts in those areas.
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Reply #5 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:21am
 
HuSadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:12am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:07am:
whiteknight wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:00am:
Yes you are right, the coalition should have done more about climate change, when they were in power.   Smiley



Well, massive "climate action" is coming in the form of power price increases and supply unreliability. More industries will go overseas where power is cheaper and reliable (possible on the basis of Australian coal and gas).

The poor will bear the brunt of it, not the teal doctors' wives and The Greens. The stupid "climate action" wheeze will the burden on the poorest.

The Greens and their pink haired zealots are a kind of reverse King Midas - everything they touch turns to shite.





The modelling points to lower prices, meaning manufacturing even with our generous wages would be cheaper here.  It could bring back entire industries we lost and we could process the minerals we dig out of the ground rather than shipping them to China and having to buy them back.

You're preaching from the skynews bible, not actually listening to the experts in those areas.



Grin Grin Grin  oh, the MODELLING!!! Of course, the modelling! And the EXPERTS!! Silly me, I was paying attention to reality instead.

Australian households face steep power bill increases as generation costs soar
Customers in NSW could see power bill increases of up to 18%, South Australia almost 20% and parts of Queensland could see rises of 12%

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/26/households-face-steep-power-bill-increases-as-generation-costs-soar#:~:text=Similarly%20in%20NSW%2C%20residential%20customers,lifting%20the%20price%20by%205%25.[/url]


I promise to ignore reality and trust only the modelling and ze eggsperts,  like you.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Reply #6 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:29am
 
Won't be much
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Brown
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Reply #7 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:39am
 
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:21am:
HuSadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:12am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:07am:
whiteknight wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:00am:
Yes you are right, the coalition should have done more about climate change, when they were in power.   Smiley



Well, massive "climate action" is coming in the form of power price increases and supply unreliability. More industries will go overseas where power is cheaper and reliable (possible on the basis of Australian coal and gas).

The poor will bear the brunt of it, not the teal doctors' wives and The Greens. The stupid "climate action" wheeze will the burden on the poorest.

The Greens and their pink haired zealots are a kind of reverse King Midas - everything they touch turns to shite.





The modelling points to lower prices, meaning manufacturing even with our generous wages would be cheaper here.  It could bring back entire industries we lost and we could process the minerals we dig out of the ground rather than shipping them to China and having to buy them back.

You're preaching from the skynews bible, not actually listening to the experts in those areas.



Grin Grin Grin  oh, the MODELLING!!! Of course, the modelling! And the EXPERTS!! Silly me, I was paying attention to reality instead.

Australian households face steep power bill increases as generation costs soar
Customers in NSW could see power bill increases of up to 18%, South Australia almost 20% and parts of Queensland could see rises of 12%

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/26/households-face-steep-power-bill-increases-as-generation-costs-soar#:~:text=Similarly%20in%20NSW%2C%20residential%20customers,lifting%20the%20price%20by%205%25.[/url]


I promise to ignore reality and trust only the modelling and ze eggsperts,  like you.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



"Rising gas and coal prices globally have contributed to a spike in wholesale power prices to record levels."

Yes, it's renewable energy's fault...

I guess they left that out of the SkyNews briefing.
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Reply #8 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:40am
 
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Reply #9 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:43am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:40am:

Grin Grin

Good one.

Anthony "that's what you said last time" Albanese, Adam  "that's what you said last time" Bandt.

Net zero,  "that's what you said last time",  climate action.

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Reply #10 - May 28th, 2022 at 11:06am
 
So we'll just ignore that it's the non renewables that are pushing the current prices up?

I guess we're picking and choosing our reality after all...
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Reply #11 - May 28th, 2022 at 11:29am
 
Not arguing with that. My issue is that renewables cannot cope with peak demand and won't be able to for some considerable time yet.

The experience in California is a prime example.



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Reply #12 - May 28th, 2022 at 11:46am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:29am:
Not arguing with that. My issue is that renewables cannot cope with peak demand and won't be able to for some considerable time yet.

The experience in California is a prime example.





They can't yet, nobody is arguing that.

Adding more renewables to the mix will drive prices down and as battery storage improves we can soon see renewables cope with peak demand and when the sun isn't shining.

The industry has a long way to go, but every time we try to start down that path it's stopped by the mouth breathers.

Innovation won't happen without starting.

The economic arguments for moving to renewables should be enough to get the conservatives on board assuming they're not simply bought by lobbyists, which is why so much lies are told about renewable to protect their benefactors.

It's just funny, sad but funny that those who complain the loudest about others being sheep can't see they're being fed exactly what to think and are motivated to spread that out there to pretend that it's some sort of grassroots movement for coal and fossil fuels.
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Reply #13 - May 28th, 2022 at 2:14pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:46am:
Captain Nemo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:29am:
Not arguing with that. My issue is that renewables cannot cope with peak demand and won't be able to for some considerable time yet.

The experience in California is a prime example.





They can't yet, nobody is arguing that.

Adding more renewables to the mix will drive prices down and as battery storage improves we can soon see renewables cope with peak demand and when the sun isn't shining.

The industry has a long way to go, but every time we try to start down that path it's stopped by the mouth breathers.

Innovation won't happen without starting.

The economic arguments for moving to renewables should be enough to get the conservatives on board assuming they're not simply bought by lobbyists, which is why so much lies are told about renewable to protect their benefactors.

It's just funny, sad but funny that those who complain the loudest about others being sheep can't see they're being fed exactly what to think and are motivated to spread that out there to pretend that it's some sort of grassroots movement for coal and fossil fuels.


Renewables were called upon to reduce emissions, not reduce prices. Reducing prices is only in your fantasy bubble. Privatization was supposed to reduce prices everyone was saying, but what happened?, prices skyrocketed

The companies will come up with all sorts of excuses why prices need to remain the same or increase in the future, with renewables

I won't be falling for any of their BS about lower prices. I'm not falling for your BS either. We've heard enough of all the lies about lowering prices

Industry will want a 60% genuine reduction in power costs before they will say it's a fair price, and they would be right, they pay fortunes for electricity at the current pricing. Renewables would have to ensure they get that 60% reduction, and get reliable supply

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Reply #14 - May 28th, 2022 at 2:27pm
 
"In early 2008, candidate Obama told the San Francisco Chronicle that "under my plan ... electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.""

"Obama was referring to his plan to cap greenhouse-gas emissions, which would, among other things, effectively choke off coal as an energy source. He was just as fond of high gasoline prices, telling CNBC in June 2008 — as gas prices shot up to $4 a gallon — that he "would have preferred a gradual adjustment.""

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/energy-prices-are-historically-hig...

Greens? Maybe 4 seats out of 151 is a mandate in some alternative universe. Wink
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