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Cheap electricity from re-newables - haha!
May 28^th, 2022 at 8:38am

This is an opinion piece from todays Courier Mail which is paywalled.

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Power prices to spike
VIKKI CAMPION

ONCE people believed net-zero was vital because both sides of politics said so, it was only rational to vote for whoever gets there quickest.

Voters saw soaring fuel costs and heard taxpayer-subsidised electric cars
were the answer.

Voters heard renewables would provide cheap power.

Voters heard Australia’s domestic policy could change the Earth’s
temperature.

Voters heard there would be 600,000 new jobs in this green
revolution – and that we could get there with no new taxes.

Voters will get bill shock.

Labor’s renewables modelling promised power
bills to drop by $275 a year, but we’re about to get an 18 per cent increase
now and more when Liddell power station closes based on the experience of Victoria when La Trobe shut down in Gippsland.

Labor backed its policies with extensive modelling projecting eight years into the future, which promises power bills will fall 18 per cent by 2025
from $62/MWh and 26 per cent by 2030.

This month it is running at more than $300/MWh.

They haven’t even sworn in their cabinet yet, and the reality is more than 400% out from the modelling they used to win.

The problem with modelling, polling and projections is it’s not so different from a guess.

After all the breathless reporting and thousands of dollars spent on polling, it was an astrologist psychic online who predicted the rise of four lower house Greens, six Teals, the demise of the moderate Liberals and a
tight Labor majority, which after the election of a Speaker, gives Labor a tight 74 seats.

Do you think people whose business model is based on predicting the future, not that different from the psychic on the trashy website, have any chance of guessing what life will be like in eight years?

Australia may have voted for cheap power and subsidised electric cars, but I’d trust a psychic over the modelling these promises have been cooked on.

The fruits of the Labor- Green-Teal government will be a massive footprint of renewables in regional areas, power prices going through the roof and jobs going overseas as the safeguard mechanism lowers on emitting industries.

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Re: Cheap electricity from re-newables - haha!
Reply #1 - May 28^th, 2022 at 9:48am

Gnads wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 8:38am:

This is an opinion piece from todays Courier Mail which is paywalled.

Quote:

Power prices to spike
VIKKI CAMPION

ONCE people believed net-zero was vital because both sides of politics said so, it was only rational to vote for whoever gets there quickest.

Voters saw soaring fuel costs and heard taxpayer-subsidised electric cars
were the answer.

Voters heard renewables would provide cheap power.

Voters heard Australia’s domestic policy could change the Earth’s
temperature.

Voters heard there would be 600,000 new jobs in this green
revolution – and that we could get there with no new taxes.

Voters will get bill shock.

Labor’s renewables modelling promised power
bills to drop by $275 a year, but we’re about to get an 18 per cent increase
now and more when Liddell power station closes based on the experience of Victoria when La Trobe shut down in Gippsland.

Labor backed its policies with extensive modelling projecting eight years into the future, which promises power bills will fall 18 per cent by 2025
from $62/MWh and 26 per cent by 2030.

This month it is running at more than $300/MWh.

They haven’t even sworn in their cabinet yet, and the reality is more than 400% out from the modelling they used to win.

The problem with modelling, polling and projections is it’s not so different from a guess.

After all the breathless reporting and thousands of dollars spent on polling, it was an astrologist psychic online who predicted the rise of four lower house Greens, six Teals, the demise of the moderate Liberals and a
tight Labor majority, which after the election of a Speaker, gives Labor a tight 74 seats.

Do you think people whose business model is based on predicting the future, not that different from the psychic on the trashy website, have any chance of guessing what life will be like in eight years?

Australia may have voted for cheap power and subsidised electric cars, but I’d trust a psychic over the modelling these promises have been cooked on.

The fruits of the Labor- Green-Teal government will be a massive footprint of renewables in regional areas, power prices going through the roof and jobs going overseas as the safeguard mechanism lowers on emitting industries.

How DARE you??

Blasphemer!!

"I’d trust a psychic over the modelling these promises have been cooked on." - me too. Net zero is a preposterous slogan.

The whole green zeal is like a crusade zeal, bereft of any reasoning or balance.

Every four days the world emits the equivalent of Australia’s annual contribution to global CO2 emissions.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80217 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Cheap electricity from re-newables - haha! Reply #2 - May 28^th, 2022 at 1:59pm Who was it said last night that if Australia reached net zero or cut out carbon emissions entirely, China would wipe that out in less than a month? Tell 'em they're dreamin' .... it's time some of these ideologues woke up and stopped smelling the roses.
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Re: Cheap electricity from re-newables - haha!
Reply #3 - May 28^th, 2022 at 2:05pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Who was it said last night that if Australia reached net zero or cut out carbon emissions entirely, China would wipe that out in less than a month?

Tell 'em they're dreamin' .... it's time some of these ideologues woke up and stopped smelling the roses.

Australia are planning to shut down 6-7 coal stations over the next 5-7 years.

China are starting two new coal power stations every week.

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Reply #4 - May 28^th, 2022 at 2:16pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Who was it said last night that if Australia reached net zero or cut out carbon emissions entirely, China would wipe that out in less than a month?

Tell 'em they're dreamin' .... it's time some of these ideologues woke up and stopped smelling the roses.

If Australia became the most environmentally friendly, near pollution free nation on Earth, the carbon emissions would still be on the rise with China, India and North America consuming a lot of petrol and producing a lot of carbon emissions on their own. It would take both a collapse of population among Indians and Chinese, as well as pollution controls before we see carbon emissions fall.

I look at places like Sri Lanka that has a population of about Australia's size, but them still having cars drive through Colombo like their petrol issues are nothing. It is a third world country. But, they like to bitch about their petrol costs, even though it is quite cheap compared to Australia's. Get out and walk, you dipshits. Same with India and China. Surely, they do not need one person per car creating traffic jams every day.

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Re: Cheap electricity from re-newables - haha!
Reply #5 - May 29^th, 2022 at 8:02am

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Who was it said last night that if Australia reached net zero or cut out carbon emissions entirely, China would wipe that out in less than a month?

Tell 'em they're dreamin' .... it's time some of these ideologues woke up and stopped smelling the roses.

If Australia became the most environmentally friendly, near pollution free nation on Earth, the carbon emissions would still be on the rise with China, India and North America consuming a lot of petrol and producing a lot of carbon emissions on their own. It would take both a collapse of population among Indians and Chinese, as well as pollution controls before we see carbon emissions fall.

I look at places like Sri Lanka that has a population of about Australia's size, but them still having cars drive through Colombo like their petrol issues are nothing. It is a third world country. But, they like to bitch about their petrol costs, even though it is quite cheap compared to Australia's. Get out and walk, you dipshits. Same with India and China. Surely, they do not need one person per car creating traffic jams every day.

Have a look here for who is paying what for fuel

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/countries/

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Re: Cheap electricity from re-newables - haha!
Reply #6 - May 29^th, 2022 at 8:29am

Gnads wrote on May 29^th, 2022 at 8:02am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Who was it said last night that if Australia reached net zero or cut out carbon emissions entirely, China would wipe that out in less than a month?

Tell 'em they're dreamin' .... it's time some of these ideologues woke up and stopped smelling the roses.

If Australia became the most environmentally friendly, near pollution free nation on Earth, the carbon emissions would still be on the rise with China, India and North America consuming a lot of petrol and producing a lot of carbon emissions on their own. It would take both a collapse of population among Indians and Chinese, as well as pollution controls before we see carbon emissions fall.

I look at places like Sri Lanka that has a population of about Australia's size, but them still having cars drive through Colombo like their petrol issues are nothing. It is a third world country. But, they like to bitch about their petrol costs, even though it is quite cheap compared to Australia's. Get out and walk, you dipshits. Same with India and China. Surely, they do not need one person per car creating traffic jams every day.

Have a look here for who is paying what for fuel

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/countries/

And it's not even pollution. It's plant food and trace gas.

Air pollution was sorted decades ago in Western countries.

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Re: Cheap electricity from re-newables - haha!
Reply #7 - May 29^th, 2022 at 12:17pm

Gnads wrote on May 29^th, 2022 at 8:02am:

Have a look here for who is paying what for fuel

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/countries/

Good link. Indians are paying only slightly less than Australia ($US1.34/L compared to $US1.41/L) for petrol. Sri Lanka is paying something like $US1.04/L for fuel. And yet they are complaining. It might be because of the fuel shortage going on over there. But the Sri Lankans need to pay around the same amount for fuel as the Indians, at least.

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