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May 24th, 2022 at 8:03pm
 
The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...
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Reply #1 - May 24th, 2022 at 8:04pm
 

Why would anyone want to be tough on refugees?

That makes no moral sense whatsoever.
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Reply #2 - May 24th, 2022 at 8:10pm
 

How many years have we discussed this issue, and still we have people who don't understand the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

I've read the article in the OP twice, and nowhere does it mention refugees.

So, why is the thread title "Why are Labor so tough on refugees?"

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Reply #3 - May 24th, 2022 at 8:12pm
 
Well done Labor, flick them back 2 days after they arrive.

Actually, we can thank the Liberals for setting the standard.
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Reply #4 - May 24th, 2022 at 8:13pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:12pm:
Well done Labor, flick them back 2 days after they arrive.

Actually, we can thank the Liberals for setting the standard.


Where does the article mention refugees?

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Reply #5 - May 24th, 2022 at 8:18pm
 
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Gordo - Is this the first time you have recognised Illegals as refugees ?

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Reply #6 - May 24th, 2022 at 8:20pm
 

Where does the article mention refugees?
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Reply #7 - May 24th, 2022 at 8:22pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:18pm:
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Why are Labor so tough on refugees?


Gordo - Is this the first time you have recognised Illegals as refugees ?

Well done.


No, I'm wondering why the left isn't outraged by Albo flicking them so fast.
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Reply #8 - May 24th, 2022 at 8:26pm
 


Where does the article mention refugees?
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Reply #9 - May 24th, 2022 at 9:01pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:22pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:18pm:
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Why are Labor so tough on refugees?


Gordo - Is this the first time you have recognised Illegals as refugees ?

Well done.


No, I'm wondering why the left isn't outraged by Albo flicking them so fast.


Flicking asylum seekers who have been determined to not be refugees?

"The commander of Operation Sovereign Borders, Rear Admiral Justin Jones, said a thorough screening of each individual's health and protection status was completed before the group was taken back."

Why would anyone be ourtaged by that?

They were thoroughly screened and deemed to not have a legitimate claim for protection.

So the question remains unanswered: where are Labor being tough on refugees?



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Reply #10 - May 24th, 2022 at 9:07pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
Where does the article mention refugees?


It is an improvement over illegals.
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Reply #11 - May 24th, 2022 at 9:12pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
Where does the article mention refugees?


It is an improvement over illegals.


They would have all had a tale of what makes them a bonafide refuge, real or made up. Albo didn't give them enough time for their stories to be checked out.

So where is the outrage?
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Reply #12 - May 24th, 2022 at 9:21pm
 

Where does the article mention refugees?
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Reply #13 - May 24th, 2022 at 10:01pm
 
I'm not getting bogged down in semantics ,  I prefer not to see anyone lose their life at sea irrespective which country ...

Liberals did well stopping Rudd's mess
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Reply #14 - May 24th, 2022 at 10:03pm
 
Yes they were stopping under Rudd

He was a disaster for Labor, that is all

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Reply #15 - May 24th, 2022 at 11:06pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:12pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
Where does the article mention refugees?


It is an improvement over illegals.


They would have all had a tale of what makes them a bonafide refuge, real or made up. Albo didn't give them enough time for their stories to be checked out.

So where is the outrage?


Your insane team racial hatred shoved down everyone's throat for over 15 years at least means that while we don't like it we at least understand that Labor are not positioned to do the human thing. Maybe we will slowly see some improvements given time. It is possible that humanity will win in the end.

In the mean time and I mean real mean - ScumBo is gone and the non-humane scallop (PotAto) is now dragging the Liberals down.
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Reply #16 - May 25th, 2022 at 7:30am
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...


I remain outraged that Labor mistreat refugees, but I know they are right wing.  If anything, I blame Labor for the dystopian hellscape of our refugee policy.  Labor basically tried to play a populist card to win an election, lost, and have been scared to have morals ever since on this issue
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Reply #17 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:06am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:10pm:
How many years have we discussed this issue, and still we have people who don't understand the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

I've read the article in the OP twice, and nowhere does it mention refugees.

So, why is the thread title "Why are Labor so tough on refugees?"

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Most don't know the difference between an immigrant and a refugee/asylum seeker.... an asylum seeker is a refugee who has asked for asylum.... most also don't realise that the very vast majority of ethnic PROBLEMS come with immigrants and not refugees/asylum seekers.
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Reply #18 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:07am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 10:06am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:10pm:
How many years have we discussed this issue, and still we have people who don't understand the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

I've read the article in the OP twice, and nowhere does it mention refugees.

So, why is the thread title "Why are Labor so tough on refugees?"

https://c.tenor.com/nnvh8YKcv7EAAAAC/anyone-answer.gif


Most don't know the difference between an immigrant and a refugee/asylum seeker.... an asylum seeker is a refugee who has asked for asylum.... most also don't realise that the very vast majority of ethnic PROBLEMS come with immigrants and not refugees/asylum seekers.



I contend there are  virtually no ethic issues but yes, refugees are always overwhelmingly grateful to be here and keen to contribute
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Reply #19 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:16am
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:12pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
Where does the article mention refugees?


It is an improvement over illegals.


They would have all had a tale of what makes them a bonafide refuge, real or made up. Albo didn't give them enough time for their stories to be checked out.

So where is the outrage?


It is SloMo's policy in place - you had no issue with it the last 8 years or more. In fact it was likely not quick enough for you.

You may wonder why you are seldom taken seriously.
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Labor majority government wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
I'm not getting bogged down in semantics ,  I prefer not to see anyone lose their life at sea irrespective which country ...

Liberals did well stopping Rudd's mess


Liberals were invited to a race to the bottom and responded with glee, to kill refugees
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FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 7:30am:
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...


I remain outraged that Labor mistreat refugees, but I know they are right wing.  If anything, I blame Labor for the dystopian hellscape of our refugee policy.  Labor basically tried to play a populist card to win an election, lost, and have been scared to have morals ever since on this issue


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Reply #22 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:30am
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:12pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
Where does the article mention refugees?


It is an improvement over illegals.


They would have all had a tale of what makes them a bonafide refuge, real or made up. Albo didn't give them enough time for their stories to be checked out.


Says who?

How much time were they given?

Show me an example of Labor being tough on refugees (as is stated in the thread title).

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Reply #23 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:58am
 
Labor majority government wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
I'm not getting bogged down in semantics ,  I prefer not to see anyone lose their life at sea irrespective which country ...

Liberals did well stopping Rudd's mess


It has nothing to do with semantics - it's about getting the facts straight.

The article is not about refugees - it's about asylum seekers.

Their claims for protection were immediately assessed, and it has been deemed that they have no valid claim.

They were subsequently given health checks and then safely returned to their point of departure.

Well done, Labor.

Under Morrison, or any coalition government, they would have been interned in concentration camps (at huge expense to tax payers) for years, suffered horrible physical and mental abuse, and then pretty much forgotten about.

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Reply #24 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:59am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 10:58am:
Labor majority government wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
I'm not getting bogged down in semantics ,  I prefer not to see anyone lose their life at sea irrespective which country ...

Liberals did well stopping Rudd's mess


It has nothing to do with semantics - it's about getting the facts straight.

The article is not about refugees - it's about asylum seekers.

Their claims for protection were immediately assessed, and it has been deemed that they have no valid claim.

They were subsequently given health checks and then safely returned to their point of departure.

Well done, Labor.

Under Morrison, or any coalition government, they would have been interned in concentration camps (at huge expense to tax payers) for years, suffered horrible physical and mental abuse, and then pretty much forgotten about.



Honestly, at this point, knowing what I do about our immediate on water determination progress, I would not assume they were not really refugees.
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Reply #25 - May 25th, 2022 at 11:06am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 10:59am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 10:58am:
Labor majority government wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
I'm not getting bogged down in semantics ,  I prefer not to see anyone lose their life at sea irrespective which country ...

Liberals did well stopping Rudd's mess


It has nothing to do with semantics - it's about getting the facts straight.

The article is not about refugees - it's about asylum seekers.

Their claims for protection were immediately assessed, and it has been deemed that they have no valid claim.

They were subsequently given health checks and then safely returned to their point of departure.

Well done, Labor.

Under Morrison, or any coalition government, they would have been interned in concentration camps (at huge expense to tax payers) for years, suffered horrible physical and mental abuse, and then pretty much forgotten about.



Honestly, at this point, knowing what I do about our immediate on water determination progress, I would not assume they were not really refugees.


If they really needed protection, then Labor should be utterly ashamed and I'll be the first to condemn Albo and his team.

However, at this stage we have no evidence whatsoever that they had legitimate claims to protection.

Far more likely that it was a setup by the coalition in order to win last minute votes.

The timing of the incident was just too coincidental.

Remember: the coalition, under Abbott, paid people smugglers to turn boats around.

I wouldn't put anything past them.
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Reply #26 - May 25th, 2022 at 11:09am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 11:06am:
If they really needed protection, then Labor should be utterly ashamed and I'll be the first to condemn Albo and his team.

However, at this stage we have no evidence whatsoever that they had legitimate claims to protection.

Far more likely that it was a setup by the coalition in order to win last minute votes.

The timing of the incident was just too coincidental.

Remember: the coalition, under Abbott, paid people smugglers to turn boats around.

I wouldn't put anything past them.


It seems likely that the coalition encouraged it, or more likely that there's regular boats but they release the news when it's politically convenient.

The whole process is designed so we CAN'T TELL if they were refugees.  No one can work that out with a 5 minute interview on the high seas.

And yes, Abbott did that. We'll never know what Rudd would have done.  But he signalled cruelty and the Liberals dived in with glee.
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Reply #27 - May 25th, 2022 at 11:22am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 11:09am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 11:06am:
If they really needed protection, then Labor should be utterly ashamed and I'll be the first to condemn Albo and his team.

However, at this stage we have no evidence whatsoever that they had legitimate claims to protection.

Far more likely that it was a setup by the coalition in order to win last minute votes.

The timing of the incident was just too coincidental.

Remember: the coalition, under Abbott, paid people smugglers to turn boats around.

I wouldn't put anything past them.


It seems likely that the coalition encouraged it, or more likely that there's regular boats but they release the news when it's politically convenient.


Exactly.

The boats never stopped.  Everybody knows that.

The reporting stopped, that's all.

Thank goodness the corrupt & inept Morrison government is gone.

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Reply #28 - May 25th, 2022 at 1:12pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...


It's one of their greatest mistakes, but what else can they do?

The Liberal Party, Howard, Abbott and Hockey politicised the issues to the point of no return in terms of common sense.

If Labor ever wanted to ever take the office of Prime Minister again, they had to sacrifice this issue for the good of their overall agenda.

Just like Morrison's claims of Net Zero by 2050.

Where is the righties outrage about that?
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Reply #29 - May 25th, 2022 at 1:18pm
 
I am starting to warm up to Labor already. Glad to have Albanese.
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With all the cockups, mismanagement and corruption as above, the LNP funding an asylum seeker boat coming to Australia as part of a fear campaign for the irrationally stupid is not beyond the scope of an inept Government on it's way out
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Reply #31 - May 25th, 2022 at 1:23pm
 
Vic wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 1:22pm:
Tampa
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Operation Sovereign Borders
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Operational Matters
20 Orange Ship's Lifeboats at 220K each to "tow them back"
$50M to Cambodia to look after 4 potential Refugees
Refuse NZ Offer to rehouse 150 refugees
Nauru Detention Centre Money Pit
$423 Million to Paladin - PO Box on Kangaroo Island

With all the cockups, mismanagement and corruption as above, the LNP funding an asylum seeker boat coming to Australia as part of a fear campaign for the irrationally stupid is not beyond the scope of an inept Government on it's way out


Especially from Sri Lanka
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Reply #32 - May 25th, 2022 at 1:50pm
 
Vic wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 1:22pm:
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Operation Sovereign Borders
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Operational Matters
20 Orange Ship's Lifeboats at 220K each to "tow them back"
$50M to Cambodia to look after 4 potential Refugees
Refuse NZ Offer to rehouse 150 refugees
Nauru Detention Centre Money Pit
$423 Million to Paladin - PO Box on Kangaroo Island

With all the cockups, mismanagement and corruption as above, the LNP funding an asylum seeker boat coming to Australia as part of a fear campaign for the irrationally stupid is not beyond the scope of an inept Government on it's way out


Absolutely.

And even if they didn't fund it, it's not that hard to believe that Dutton or someone else made a call to Border Patrol and said "Let the next one slip through".


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Reply #33 - May 25th, 2022 at 2:21pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...


Its not a matter of being tough on refugees. It just enforcing the law. But give it time, and you will see the Labor government being weak, allowing anyone who claims to be a refugee to come here and be supported legally and physically, which sounds very humane, until you consider the numbers who qualify.

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Reply #34 - May 25th, 2022 at 2:22pm
 
issuevoter wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 2:21pm:
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...


Its not a matter of being tough on refugees. It just enforcing the law. But give it time, and you will see the Labor government being weak, allowing anyone who claims to be a refugee to come here and be supported legally and physically, which sounds very humane, until you consider the numbers who qualify.



In fact we are ignoring international law, as the UN keeps reminding us.  We are breaking the law to kill refugees to please racist boomers.

Refugees are not really supported by the government. They rely on charities to survive.

Legally and physically? WTF is that?

The numbers who qualify are irrelevant.  Our intake has always been tiny
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Reply #35 - May 25th, 2022 at 2:31pm
 
issuevoter wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 2:21pm:
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...


Its not a matter of being tough on refugees. It just enforcing the law. But give it time, and you will see the Labor government being weak, allowing anyone who claims to be a refugee to come here and be supported legally and physically, which sounds very humane, until you consider the numbers who qualify.



"allowing anyone who claims to be a refugee to come here"

Yes, that's exactly what's required.

Anyone can claim asylum - this is true under any government, Labor, Liberal, Green, whatever.

Their claims are then assessed, and if they have a legitimate need for protection they are granted refugee status.

Those who don't have a legitimate claim are returned home.

This isn't going to change.
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Reply #36 - May 25th, 2022 at 2:33pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 2:31pm:
"allowing anyone who claims to be a refugee to come here"

Yes, that's exactly what's required.

Anyone can claim asylum - this is true under any government, Labor, Liberal, Green, whatever.

Their claims are then assessed, and if they have a legitimate need for protection they are granted refugee status.

Those who don't have a legitimate claim are returned home.

This isn't going to change.


This was always the law and Australia has ignored international laws we helped write for 9 years now
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #37 - May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am
 
There has to be WELL FOUNDED fear of persecution and harm. Just wanting a better living standard is not sufficient.



Who is a refugee?
A refugee is a person who has fled their own country because they are at risk of serious human rights violations and persecution there. The risks to their safety and life were so great that they felt they had no choice but to leave and seek safety outside their country because their own government cannot or will not protect them from those dangers. Refugees have a right to international protection.

Who is an asylum-seeker?
An asylum-seeker is a person who has left their country and is seeking protection from persecution and serious human rights violations in another country, but who hasn’t yet been legally recognized as a refugee and is waiting to receive a decision on their asylum claim. Seeking asylum is a human right. This means everyone should be allowed to enter another country to seek asylum.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/refugees-asylum-seekers-and-migrants/


Another country = one other country, not many other countries. The people crossing Ghe Channel are not fleeing France. Mexicans crossing into the US are nor fleeing persecution and human rights violations. Others from outside Mexico should claim asylum in another country nearest to their own and seek asylum there and then if accepted as refugees, seek resettlement from a country that wants to resettle them. Almost none of the boat arrivals from Indonesia were Indonesians, except the boat crew.

With international travel no incomparable cheaper and easier now than when the Refugee Convention was drafted, large number of people from a large number of poor countries embark on country shopping with bogus claims of serious human rights violations and fake claims of persecution.

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Reply #38 - May 27th, 2022 at 7:34pm
 
Boy, turdie has been hitting his stash hard today  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #39 - May 27th, 2022 at 7:44pm
 
If Welcome to Country Land had mini-subs,
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #40 - May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm
 
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?

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The good thing about illegals in Australia
is that they make a good exploitable commodity (slave). Wink
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #42 - May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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/əˈnʌðə/

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1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!








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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #43 - May 28th, 2022 at 9:45am
 
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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another
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1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!


It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

Quote:
An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.


I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #44 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:16am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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another
/əˈnʌðə/

determiner
1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!


It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

Quote:
An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.


I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.




Africans crossing The Channel to England from France to claim asylum -  explain to me how that is not a massive and blatant rort of the Refugee Convention' s intentions and spirit. 


They entered Europe illegally via Italy, Spain or Greece, travelled across several countries illegally, ALL of which are signatories to the convention,  paid people smugglers to transport them across The Channel illegally  and then they claim asylum in England.


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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #45 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:36am
 
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:16am:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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determiner
1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!


It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

Quote:
An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.


I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.




Africans crossing The Channel to England from France to claim asylum -  explain to me how that is not a massive and blatant rort of the Refugee Convention' s intentions and spirit. 


They entered Europe illegally via Italy, Spain or Greece, travelled across several countries illegally, ALL of which are signatories to the convention,  paid people smugglers to transport them across The Channel illegally  and then they claim asylum in England.




An asylum seeker can legally pass through as many countries as they wish.

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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #46 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:40am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:36am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:16am:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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determiner
1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!


It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

Quote:
An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.


I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.




Africans crossing The Channel to England from France to claim asylum -  explain to me how that is not a massive and blatant rort of the Refugee Convention' s intentions and spirit. 


They entered Europe illegally via Italy, Spain or Greece, travelled across several countries illegally, ALL of which are signatories to the convention,  paid people smugglers to transport them across The Channel illegally  and then they claim asylum in England.




An asylum seeker can legally pass through as many countries as they wish.




Ah,  but they are NOT claiming asylum in Spain, Italy, Greece, France. So they are NOT asylum seekers, only common illegals. You have to claim asylum to be an asylum seeker, until then you are an illegal entrant into several countries.




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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #47 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:44am
 
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:16am:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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another
/əˈnʌðə/

determiner
1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!


It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

Quote:
An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.


I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.




Africans crossing The Channel to England from France to claim asylum -  explain to me how that is not a massive and blatant rort of the Refugee Convention' s intentions and spirit. 


They entered Europe illegally via Italy, Spain or Greece, travelled across several countries illegally, ALL of which are signatories to the convention,  paid people smugglers to transport them across The Channel illegally  and then they claim asylum in England.




"Illegally" in your opinion, that you've been programmed to adopt and were only able to justify it with a semantic argument because it makes you feel more justified than simply disliking coloured people.
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #48 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:46am
 
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:36am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:16am:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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another
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determiner
1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!


It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

Quote:
An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.


I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.




Africans crossing The Channel to England from France to claim asylum -  explain to me how that is not a massive and blatant rort of the Refugee Convention' s intentions and spirit. 


They entered Europe illegally via Italy, Spain or Greece, travelled across several countries illegally, ALL of which are signatories to the convention,  paid people smugglers to transport them across The Channel illegally  and then they claim asylum in England.




An asylum seeker can legally pass through as many countries as they wish.




Ah,  but they are NOT claiming asylum in Spain, Italy, Greece, France. So they are NOT asylum seekers, only common illegals. You have to claim asylum to be an asylum seeker, until then you are an illegal entrant into several countries.



They don't have to claim asylum in the countries they pass through in order to be an asylum seeker.




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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #49 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:51am
 
OPgreggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:46am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:36am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:16am:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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another
/əˈnʌðə/

determiner
1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!


It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

Quote:
An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.


I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.




Africans crossing The Channel to England from France to claim asylum -  explain to me how that is not a massive and blatant rort of the Refugee Convention' s intentions and spirit. 


They entered Europe illegally via Italy, Spain or Greece, travelled across several countries illegally, ALL of which are signatories to the convention,  paid people smugglers to transport them across The Channel illegally  and then they claim asylum in England.




An asylum seeker can legally pass through as many countries as they wish.




Ah,  but they are NOT claiming asylum in Spain, Italy, Greece, France. So they are NOT asylum seekers, only common illegals. You have to claim asylum to be an asylum seeker, until then you are an illegal entrant into several countries.



They don't have to claim asylum in the countries they pass through in order to be an asylum seeker.



Grin Grin Grin


So what is the legal basis of their crossing into and out of countries illegally? 
Why cant everyone just walk across any borders, any country and just say each time "I will claim asylum somewhere else  but not from you, so you must let me come in and leave as I please".


They didnt enter Europe on a passport and with a visa. They are illegal immigrants who are rorting the refugee convention with the aid of  people smugglers and European NGOs and political operatives.
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #50 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:52am
 
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:51am:
OPgreggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:46am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:36am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:16am:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!


It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

Quote:
An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.


I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.




Africans crossing The Channel to England from France to claim asylum -  explain to me how that is not a massive and blatant rort of the Refugee Convention' s intentions and spirit. 


They entered Europe illegally via Italy, Spain or Greece, travelled across several countries illegally, ALL of which are signatories to the convention,  paid people smugglers to transport them across The Channel illegally  and then they claim asylum in England.




An asylum seeker can legally pass through as many countries as they wish.




Ah,  but they are NOT claiming asylum in Spain, Italy, Greece, France. So they are NOT asylum seekers, only common illegals. You have to claim asylum to be an asylum seeker, until then you are an illegal entrant into several countries.



They don't have to claim asylum in the countries they pass through in order to be an asylum seeker.



Grin Grin Grin


So what is the legal basis of their crossing into and out of countries illegally? 



It's not illegal - they're seeking asylum.

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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #51 - May 28th, 2022 at 10:55am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:52am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:51am:
OPgreggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:46am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:36am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:16am:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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another
/əˈnʌðə/

determiner
1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!


It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

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An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.


I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.




Africans crossing The Channel to England from France to claim asylum -  explain to me how that is not a massive and blatant rort of the Refugee Convention' s intentions and spirit. 


They entered Europe illegally via Italy, Spain or Greece, travelled across several countries illegally, ALL of which are signatories to the convention,  paid people smugglers to transport them across The Channel illegally  and then they claim asylum in England.




An asylum seeker can legally pass through as many countries as they wish.




Ah,  but they are NOT claiming asylum in Spain, Italy, Greece, France. So they are NOT asylum seekers, only common illegals. You have to claim asylum to be an asylum seeker, until then you are an illegal entrant into several countries.



They don't have to claim asylum in the countries they pass through in order to be an asylum seeker.



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So what is the legal basis of their crossing into and out of countries illegally? 



It's not illegal - they're seeking asylum.



They are not seeking asylum in Spain, Italy, Greece, France. They are entering and leaving each of these countries illegally.

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What does that have to do with Australia?
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Reply #53 - May 28th, 2022 at 12:40pm
 
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:55am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:52am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:51am:
OPgreggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:46am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:36am:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 10:16am:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 9:45am:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 11:30am:
Another country = one other country, not many other countries.


Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?


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another
/əˈnʌðə/

determiner
1.  used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.





Different in Slovenian?  Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian?  Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!


It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

Quote:
An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.


I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.




Africans crossing The Channel to England from France to claim asylum -  explain to me how that is not a massive and blatant rort of the Refugee Convention' s intentions and spirit. 


They entered Europe illegally via Italy, Spain or Greece, travelled across several countries illegally, ALL of which are signatories to the convention,  paid people smugglers to transport them across The Channel illegally  and then they claim asylum in England.




An asylum seeker can legally pass through as many countries as they wish.




Ah,  but they are NOT claiming asylum in Spain, Italy, Greece, France. So they are NOT asylum seekers, only common illegals. You have to claim asylum to be an asylum seeker, until then you are an illegal entrant into several countries.



They don't have to claim asylum in the countries they pass through in order to be an asylum seeker.



Grin Grin Grin


So what is the legal basis of their crossing into and out of countries illegally? 



It's not illegal - they're seeking asylum.



They are not seeking asylum in Spain, Italy, Greece, France. They are entering and leaving each of these countries illegally.



They don't have to claim asylum in the countries they pass through in order to be an asylum seeker.
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Reply #54 - May 28th, 2022 at 12:51pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:08am:
What does that have to do with Australia?


The illegal boats from Indonesia are operated on the same principle by people smugglers.

You do not need travel documents to cross into a country as long as you do it illegally at an an entry point outside an official port or airport where passport and Visa checks are mandatory.

The third world illegals do not enter Europe with a passport and visa at an official port or airport. They would be turned away. Instead, they enter illegally, evading passport and visa checks. Then then cross several other European borders, similarly illegally.

Finally, they are smuggled, illegally, from France into England. When they are found to be non-genuine, after interminable court cases at taxpayers' expense but costing the illegals nothing, France will not take them back as they were in France illegally. Ditto Spain, Italy etc.

It's a racket.


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Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 12:51pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:08am:
What does that have to do with Australia?


The illegal boats ...



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Reply #56 - May 28th, 2022 at 1:12pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:08pm:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 12:51pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:08am:
What does that have to do with Australia?


The illegal boats ...



Lol   Grin

It never gets old.


They wouldn't confiscate and destroy them if they weren't illegal boats.
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Reply #57 - May 28th, 2022 at 1:18pm
 
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:08pm:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 12:51pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:08am:
What does that have to do with Australia?


The illegal boats ...



Lol   Grin

It never gets old.


They wouldn't confiscate and destroy them if they weren't illegal boats.


Lol   Grin

So hoons' cars are illegal?

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Reply #58 - May 28th, 2022 at 1:53pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:18pm:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:08pm:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 12:51pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:08am:
What does that have to do with Australia?


The illegal boats ...



Lol   Grin

It never gets old.


They wouldn't confiscate and destroy them if they weren't illegal boats.


Lol   Grin

So hoons' cars are illegal?


Different law, turd, as you well know.

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Reply #59 - May 28th, 2022 at 3:41pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:18pm:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:08pm:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 12:51pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:08am:
What does that have to do with Australia?


The illegal boats ...



Lol   Grin

It never gets old.


They wouldn't confiscate and destroy them if they weren't illegal boats.


Lol   Grin

So hoons' cars are illegal?


As far as I know, regarding hoons, they lose their car for a period of time if they are caught by police.
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Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:18pm:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:08pm:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 12:51pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:08am:
What does that have to do with Australia?


The illegal boats ...



Lol   Grin

It never gets old.


They wouldn't confiscate and destroy them if they weren't illegal boats.


Lol   Grin

So hoons' cars are illegal?


Different law, turd, as you well know.



Oh, so boats can be illegal but cars can't?

What about planes?  Trains?  Buildings?

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Reply #61 - May 28th, 2022 at 4:04pm
 
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:18pm:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 1:08pm:
Frank wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 12:51pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 28th, 2022 at 11:08am:
What does that have to do with Australia?


The illegal boats ...



Lol   Grin

It never gets old.


They wouldn't confiscate and destroy them if they weren't illegal boats.


Lol   Grin

So hoons' cars are illegal?


Different law, turd, as you well know.



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