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Re: Teal Independents
Reply #60 - May 24^th, 2022 at 11:52pm

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 1:51pm:

Every time the Independents have been in large numbers and had an influence on delivered policy they have failed in the term to the extent that they get thrown out in the following election.

There have never been this many independents who don't belong to an established party. We are witnessing the long-overdue collapse of the adversarial 2-party system.

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The reason is that they have a wide mix of supporters with various positions.

No, the reason is the Coalition rejects climate action, and is lukewarm on an ICAC.

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A small number are very good at this. Mostly they have been conservative independents who support 95% of conservative policy and only block the crazy stuff that their conservative community opposes.

Climate action and an ICAC are not "crazy stuff".

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This is not a progressive path or a balanced path and in fact most conservative independents are in this position because they are much more conservative than the conservatives.

No, they are to the Left of the Nats who held the Libs to ransom on climate change, hence the loss of Lib heartland seats.

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Re: Teal Independents
Reply #61 - May 25^th, 2022 at 9:52pm

Looks like the Teals will have no influence on anything.

A friend was looking at property in the Eastern suburbs she told me it appears there are almost no solar panels on roofs in Spenders electorate. Google earth confirms this.

The electorates that voted for Teals should be the first to have those windturbines installed all over their electorate my bet is they would object and want them placed somewhere where they can't see them.

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Re: Teal Independents
Reply #62 - May 25^th, 2022 at 10:14pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 9:52pm:

Looks like the Teals will have no influence on anything.

Because Labor won 76 seats?

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A friend was looking at property in the Eastern suburbs she told me it appears there are almost no solar panels on roofs in Spenders electorate. Google earth confirms this.

From the Guardian:

When the Liberals looked in mortal danger of losing the blue-ribbon seat of Wentworth, who would expect a large mob of CEOs, bankers and barristers (among others) to gather jubilantly in the eastern suburbs and cheer every time the ABC reported a swing against the Coalition?

Peter Dutton might lose his seat? People were stomping their feet and doing a little jig. Trent Zimmerman poised to lose his seat in North Sydney? A huge roar went up. Josh Frydenberg looking shaky in Victoria? This sea of teal was gripped with delight.

Such was the toxic stench of the Liberal brand, that the former party faithful (or more likely children of the party faithful) gathered for Allegra Spender at her celebration in Bondi and practically danced on the political grave of Scott Morrison.

Solar panels or no solar panels.

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The electorates that voted for Teals should be the first to have those windturbines installed all over their electorate my bet is they would object and want them placed somewhere where they can't see them.

No necessarily; the capitalist east-siders are wealthy enough they don't have to bother with such paraphernalia. Outback solar farms and offshore wind mills will do the trick.

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Re: Teal Independents
Reply #63 - May 25^th, 2022 at 10:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 10:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 9:52pm:

Looks like the Teals will have no influence on anything.

Because Labor won 76 seats?

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A friend was looking at property in the Eastern suburbs she told me it appears there are almost no solar panels on roofs in Spenders electorate. Google earth confirms this.

From the Guardian:

When the Liberals looked in mortal danger of losing the blue-ribbon seat of Wentworth, who would expect a large mob of CEOs, bankers and barristers (among others) to gather jubilantly in the eastern suburbs and cheer every time the ABC reported a swing against the Coalition?

Peter Dutton might lose his seat? People were stomping their feet and doing a little jig. Trent Zimmerman poised to lose his seat in North Sydney? A huge roar went up. Josh Frydenberg looking shaky in Victoria? This sea of teal was gripped with delight.

Such was the toxic stench of the Liberal brand, that the former party faithful (or more likely children of the party faithful) gathered for Allegra Spender at her celebration in Bondi and practically danced on the political grave of Scott Morrison.

Solar panels or no solar panels.

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The electorates that voted for Teals should be the first to have those windturbines installed all over their electorate my bet is they would object and want them placed somewhere where they can't see them.

No necessarily; the capitalist east-siders are wealthy enough they don't have to bother with such paraphernalia. Outback solar farms and offshore wind mills will do the trick.

If you claim to follow the science you would know transmission losses are significant in pushing electricity over the country. The cables are limited by current which is why they boost voltage with high voltage power lines to reduce current. Wait until you see the cost of underground high voltage cables that are liquid cooled.

Kinetic energy is 1/2 mass times velocity squared, Since velocity is squared it's the most significant factor for wind energy. In summer we have sea breezes along the coast resulting in pretty good wind which is why our sailors do well we are used to stronger winds. This wind drops off with velocity less than 10km inland.

The best place to put these wind farms is where wind is strongest which is along the coast in all those areas that voted Teal. These turbines will produce far more power on the coast due to much stronger winds with significantly lower transmission losses being much closer to where power is actually used.

These Teals will become a bunch of NIMBYs if we put these turbines where they will work best who will deny the science on how these turbines work the best.

Australia is going the way of the US where leftist government is for the wealthy and anything centre-right is for the battlers.

The Guardian...pffft

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Re: Teal Independents
Reply #64 - May 25^th, 2022 at 11:10pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 10:45pm:

If you claim to follow the science you would know transmission losses are significant in pushing electricity over the country. The cables are limited by current which is why they boost voltage with high voltage power lines to reduce current. Wait until you see the cost of underground high voltage cables that are liquid cooled.

The "cost" of that promising technology can be funded by a currency-issuing government, (which faces a resource constraint not a financial one...unlike you and me).

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Kinetic energy is 1/2 mass times velocity squared, Since velocity is squared it's the most significant factor for wind energy. In summer we have sea breezes along the coast resulting in pretty good wind which is why our sailors do well we are used to stronger winds. This wind drops off with velocity less than 10km inland.

Some confusion there: Velocity:
noun.
the speed of something in a given direction.

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The best place to put these wind farms is where wind is strongest which is along the coast in all those areas that voted Teal.

As I said, Oz has the resources, knowhow and labor to transport wind power from the Great Oz Bight to any- where in Oz (likewise solar from Oz deserts)

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These turbines will produce far more power on the coast due to much stronger winds with significantly lower transmission losses being much closer to where power is actually used.

Power is needed from Gladstone to Perth.

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These Teals will become a bunch of NIMBYs if we put these turbines where they will work best who will deny the science on how these turbines work the best.

Addressed above.

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Australia is going the way of the US where leftist government is for the wealthy and anything centre-right is for the battlers.

Trump's tax cuts benefited the wealthy.

But yes, neoliberalism has resulted in the working class being abandoned by both centre left and centre right parties, because of false neoliberal "balanced budget" orthodoxy....and Labor's promise not to lift taxes.

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The Guardian...pffft

But can you dispute any of the points made in the article?

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Re: Teal Independents
Reply #65 - May 26^th, 2022 at 12:07am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 11:52pm: